PowerMac G4 Dual 1.25 Ghz = pentium 4 2 ghz?

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LiekOMG

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Maybe it does run faster, maybe it doesn't. But what do you honestly expect to run on a Mac from 1994? Fast or not, you're still limited to 68k code and 68k programs from a decade ago. Would you really want to run win 3.1 on a P4?

Yes, the G4's are getting old and outdated, even Apple knows that. Thats why the PPC970's are comming soon (we hope).
 

paralazarguer

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That being said FCP isn't the end all, be all of editing but for it's price (and speaking in generalities) it doesn't have an equal.

You're talking bang for the buck?! HA! That might work if you didn't have to buy a $3000 piece of crap that's half as fast as a $1000 PC counterpart. Geezz....I would think that the hardware difference would more than make up the extra software cost on the PC side.

Who cares about mac emulation anyway? It's useless. FCP isn't all that. It doesn't even have the most market share amongst pros. It's just a program much like its peers in the PC side of things...
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: paralazarguer
That being said FCP isn't the end all, be all of editing but for it's price (and speaking in generalities) it doesn't have an equal.

You're talking bang for the buck?! HA! That might work if you didn't have to buy a $3000 piece of crap that's half as fast as a $1000 PC counterpart. Geezz....I would think that the hardware difference would more than make up the extra software cost on the PC side.

Who cares about mac emulation anyway? It's useless. FCP isn't all that. It doesn't even have the most market share amongst pros. It's just a program much like its peers in the PC side of things...

If you think hardware is more important than software you are very, very mistaken. I don't know anyone, any editor, or any post house that would take a faster computer w/inferior software rather than and slower computer with superior software.

And you're right that FCP doesn't have the highest market share w/pros in film/tv. Avid does. If you remove Avid it's probably Media 100 w/FCP in 3rd for now (if just limiting it to desktop NLEs then FCP would be #2). And being in 3rd isn't too bad considering FCP has only been a viable option for around 2 years now. Not to mention that $40k and $50k Avids are being replaced by $18k FCP turn-key systems. If you take Avid out of the picture there is currently no serious compition from any Windows based NLE in the pro market.


Lethal
 

Hulk

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I'm running Ulead MediaStudio Pro 7 on a P4 2.4

I do a lot of video editing for local school systems and the system works amazingly. Capturing dv via firewire is flawless, and has great scene detection. Analog caputure using my Matrox dual head card is also great.

The real benefit of this system is that my system is real-time for almost everything I do, sometimes up to 5 video layers deep. That's real-time with NO hardware assist, AND the preview out to TV using a dual head card, like Matrox or ATI with theater view.

The new version of this program has been completely recoded and smokes! It's also dual threaded and hyperthreading enabled. I can only image how fast it would be with a dual Athlon or Xeon system, or a 3.06HT chip.

Actually, it's fast enough for me since almost everything I do is RT.

The cool thing is that there's a color coded bar above the timeline that informs you of the cpu loading for each part of the project. White>light pink>dark pink>red

My system will do real-time until I get to red, then the playback will start to drop frames. It's great because it's scalable to the system you are using. You can also set at which level of cpu loading you would like the preview section to be pre-rendered, I set it so that all red areas are prerendered. When I upgrade to a HT P4, I expect pretty much everything I do will be RT.

I suggest you download the trial of this program and give it a try, the trial is fully functional for 30 days. Note that you can load tiff images with the trial due to licensing agreements.

BTW, the titler in the editor is also pretty powerful, I rarely have to use a dedicated titling program.

Once you've experienced RT you can't go back!

 

cmdrdredd

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I'm gonna tell you right now that FCP is so easy to use and much better than Premier. Go for it. The dual G4 is fast indeed for what it needs to do and the OS is a dream. Leave the PC for the games like me
 

Yoshi

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If I were you I would get the Mac for your video editing needs. I have a PowerMac G4 with Superdrive and a Powerbook G4 for the road. OS X is a dream OS compared to any MS OS and anything multimedia is simple and fast. I have not always been a Mac guy, but when Apple switched to a Unix based OS I gave them a shot with the Powerbook, liked it so much I got the PowerMac to a have a solid DVD burning rig.

I do home brew PC's also. Just upgraded my box with an Asus P4G8X Granite Bay dual channel DDR motherboard with 1Gb of Corsair XMS DDR400, and a Northwood P4 2400@3150. It's a nice rig that meets all my UT2003 needs.

It's no secret that the G4 is past is prime, but it does a great job for what it is. In the end you will be more satisfied with a system that is easy to use for what you are doing than a system that produces nice benchmark results.
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: Hulk
I'm running Ulead MediaStudio Pro 7 on a P4 2.4

I do a lot of video editing for local school systems and the system works amazingly. Capturing dv via firewire is flawless, and has great scene detection. Analog caputure using my Matrox dual head card is also great.

The real benefit of this system is that my system is real-time for almost everything I do, sometimes up to 5 video layers deep. That's real-time with NO hardware assist, AND the preview out to TV using a dual head card, like Matrox or ATI with theater view.

The new version of this program has been completely recoded and smokes! It's also dual threaded and hyperthreading enabled. I can only image how fast it would be with a dual Athlon or Xeon system, or a 3.06HT chip.

Actually, it's fast enough for me since almost everything I do is RT.

The cool thing is that there's a color coded bar above the timeline that informs you of the cpu loading for each part of the project. White>light pink>dark pink>red

My system will do real-time until I get to red, then the playback will start to drop frames. It's great because it's scalable to the system you are using. You can also set at which level of cpu loading you would like the preview section to be pre-rendered, I set it so that all red areas are prerendered. When I upgrade to a HT P4, I expect pretty much everything I do will be RT.

I suggest you download the trial of this program and give it a try, the trial is fully functional for 30 days. Note that you can load tiff images with the trial due to licensing agreements.

BTW, the titler in the editor is also pretty powerful, I rarely have to use a dedicated titling program.

Once you've experienced RT you can't go back!

Hulk thanx for the great post. Informative and not inflamitory.

Just curious, what kind of stuff do you cut for the schools and how long is most of it?


Lethal
 

Cadaver

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While the Mac does have some broad appeal, it truly is a niche computer. And as such, there are certain areas where is excels.
One is system-wide color correction. Far better on the Mac than the PC. Take a poll of professional computer artists and see what they think. This is the reason why Adobe gets 40-50% of its revenue from a company that has a 4% market share.
Another area where the Mac excels is in video editing. While Avid still dominates by numbers, a full blown avid system is still much more expensive than a fast dual processor G4 and Final Cut Pro. Throw in DVD Studio Pro and you've got a $4500 system that's hard to beat for twice the price. Can it be beat? Sure. For this amount of money? It's a tough one.

Despite these advantages, the Macintosh is still relegated to a small niche market, home users who don't need to deal directly with heavy PC integration, and creative types.
While I use both a Mac (Dual 800MHz G4 w/1GB RAM, OS X) and a PC (home-built Athlon XP 2000+ w/ 512MB RAM, WinXPpro) 50-50 at home (academic medicine, medical imaging, research writing, medical student teaching), I use a PC 90% of the time at work since it integrates well into our infrastructure and custom applications.

Computers are tools, and people should select the right tool for the job. If Final Cut Pro gets the job done for you with least amount of headache, then choose FCP. So be it if it runs on a Mac. Wintel machines have so many advantages, they don't have to have them all. Even if every video editor in the US bought a Mac, it still wouldn't change the general market by much. PC users, have no fear.
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: Cadaver
While the Mac does have some broad appeal, it truly is a niche computer. And as such, there are certain areas where is excels.
One is system-wide color correction. Far better on the Mac than the PC. Take a poll of professional computer artists and see what they think. This is the reason why Adobe gets 40-50% of its revenue from a company that has a 4% market share.
Another area where the Mac excels is in video editing. While Avid still dominates by numbers, a full blown avid system is still much more expensive than a fast dual processor G4 and Final Cut Pro. Throw in DVD Studio Pro and you've got a $4500 system that's hard to beat for twice the price. Can it be beat? Sure. For this amount of money? It's a tough one.

Despite these advantages, the Macintosh is still relegated to a small niche market, home users who don't need to deal directly with heavy PC integration, and creative types.
While I use both a Mac (Dual 800MHz G4 w/1GB RAM, OS X) and a PC (home-built Athlon XP 2000+ w/ 512MB RAM, WinXPpro) 50-50 at home (academic medicine, medical imaging, research writing, medical student teaching), I use a PC 90% of the time at work since it integrates well into our infrastructure and custom applications.

Computers are tools, and people should select the right tool for the job. If Final Cut Pro gets the job done for you with least amount of headache, then choose FCP. So be it if it runs on a Mac. Wintel machines have so many advantages, they don't have to have them all. Even if every video editor in the US bought a Mac, it still wouldn't change the general market by much. PC users, have no fear.


Just to add to what you said. The vast majority of Avids used in post production run on Apple hardware. The advent of FCP and DVD SP is just bring Apple software into field already dominated by Apple hardware.


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paralazarguer

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The vast majority of Avids used in post production run on Apple hardware. The advent of FCP and DVD SP is just bring Apple software into field already dominated by Apple hardware.

For no reason other than graphics artists and file makers are just that. Artists. They're not hardware geeks. If the program can run just as well on a PC (which even has less expensive capture boards of the same make) and they run it on a mac, well, that's pretty silly.
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: paralazarguer
The vast majority of Avids used in post production run on Apple hardware. The advent of FCP and DVD SP is just bring Apple software into field already dominated by Apple hardware.

For no reason other than graphics artists and file makers are just that. Artists. They're not hardware geeks. If the program can run just as well on a PC (which even has less expensive capture boards of the same make) and they run it on a mac, well, that's pretty silly.


There are fanboys and haters on both sides but at the end of the day the majority of people don't use things that don't work very well. Whether you want to admit it or not there is a reason people aren't jumping in droves to windows based editors.

As for pricing differences.

Consumer/hobbiest: There is definetly a price gap here. Although, IMO, the usability of iMovie/FCE and iDVD almost make up for it entirely.

Prosumer (DV): Less of a price difference and you are getting into advanced enough hardware the you need to follow manufactures hardware and software specifications if you will be using cards from Matrox, Canopus, Pinnacle, etc.,. The lack of RT DV cards for the Mac platform is probably the only place where PCs clearly have an advantage, but more and more DV RT is being done by software so RT cards are quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Prosumer hi-end/pro: For all intents and purposes the price gap is gone. The need for software and hardware intergration is key so only specific workstations will be used for Windows based editors. For example, if you want to run a windows based Avid NLE you have to buy a Compaq EVO Workstation W8000 (which cost as much as its Mac counter part).


Lethal
 

RyanM

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Your statistics are stuck in the dark ages.

In the past 3 years, Apple's marketshare in professional graphics markets has DROPPED. Over 50%. You know why this is?

Photoshop is faster on a PC.
Premiere is faster on a PC.
After Effects is faster on a PC.
Lightwave 3D is faster on a PC.
Maya won't even RUN on a Mac.

Just about the only "niche" remaining is full-time video editing, and that'll be gobbled up by AMD, Intel, and Microsoft within the next 2 years.

If you want to think for the future, build a $1500 computer, dual-monitor (CRTs of course) and learn the PC software. With a faster computer, you're going to be more productive, which will make up for the fact that video editing software on the PC is still about 6 months behind Macs.

Then, in a year, when PCs have surpassed them in that FINAL remaining niche, every Mac user in the professional world will be obsolete, and you'll still have a job.

Fin.
 

BFG10K

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PowerMac G4 Dual 1.25 Ghz = pentium 4 2 ghz?
Nope, not even close. In fact single CPU PCs costing 1/3 the price of the dual-CPU Macs waste them pretty badly in most things.
 

Cerb

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BTW there are HUGE differances in the two chips. you cant really compare them correctly.

Wrong. There are differences, but the SAME software is developed for both, and the results are fit with each other.

the mac is a RISC chip and the Pentium is a normal chip.
You mean CISC? And...you're full of it.

they both have their strengths and their weaknesses. if you want to to photo editing, go for the mac. but poor boys like me cant afford them

Apparently you need to search as much as he does.

The mac will lose over 90% of the time to PIIIs, Athlons and P4s.

Google is good
mmmm Google

The OS is good, the rest is crap for the cost.
 

LethalWolfe

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Originally posted by: MachFive
Your statistics are stuck in the dark ages.

In the past 3 years, Apple's marketshare in professional graphics markets has DROPPED. Over 50%. You know why this is?

Photoshop is faster on a PC.
Premiere is faster on a PC.
After Effects is faster on a PC.
Lightwave 3D is faster on a PC.
Maya won't even RUN on a Mac.

Just about the only "niche" remaining is full-time video editing, and that'll be gobbled up by AMD, Intel, and Microsoft within the next 2 years.

If you want to think for the future, build a $1500 computer, dual-monitor (CRTs of course) and learn the PC software. With a faster computer, you're going to be more productive, which will make up for the fact that video editing software on the PC is still about 6 months behind Macs.

Then, in a year, when PCs have surpassed them in that FINAL remaining niche, every Mac user in the professional world will be obsolete, and you'll still have a job.

Fin.


You are missing 2 important points:

1. software, not speed, is king when it comes to editing.

2. Windows lacks a editing "killer app."

And like I pointed out in my previous post, unless you are just a consumer or hobbiest you probably won't be using a $1500 machine (and if you are using more than DV I *know* you aren't using a $1500 machine).


Lethal
 
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