PREDICTION: Jeb Bush will be nominated and win the next presidential election.

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flexy

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Americans are tired of a Democrat president. They want a White conservative president for a change.

Yes, *a number* of Americans is tired of Obama...but more of Americans do not want a conservative, not by a long-shot. I think you're greatly over-estimating the power of the conservative right. Their numbers are shrinking, not growing.

I hate to say it, but Hillary is probably taking it although I can't stand that woman. But then again I cannot stand ANY of your candidates so it doesn't matter. It's like in the Southpark episode turd vs. douche
 

werepossum

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Single Working Women: What do they gain from Bush?
Hispanics/ Asians: What do they gain from Bush?
African Americans: What do they gain from Bush?


Look at the demographics from 2012 to 2016. Has there been an increase of older angry white voters who tend to vote for GOP 80% or millennial voters who vote democrat 75%?

But the number one issue I expect to be the factor is the economy. If it's decent/ good.. a Democrat will win. If it's bad.. expect change.

And here's the kicker.. the Democrats have 242 already. They can lose Florida and Ohio and still win. If the GOP loses Ohio and Florida.. its a landslide.


There's more to it than common sense and feeling.. its called the Electoral College. 270 to win!
Ask not what your country do for you, demand it.

You have a point about the Electoral College. The Dems have built a huge structural advantage there and whether it's this decade or next, America is irrevocably locked into becoming a single party nation. The only way the Pubbies survive long term is to become Democrat-light, I.e. We'll give you free shit too but we're more responsible or more adult or less icky. Having switched to emphasize social conservatism and having lost badly, I wouldn't be surprised if they are replaced as the opposition party by the Green Party or La Raza.

Emphatically this.

And hey don't judge! The sticker doubles as a handicap parking permit, that's value right there folks!
Lol +1

Follow the money my friend. Bush has 120 million. Money BUYS elections in America. You are not nearly cynical enough my friend. Put your money on Bush, it is almost a mortal lock.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0
I dunno, I think money is a double edged sword. I think Bush is exactly like Clinton - the more we hear them, the less attractive they become. Besides, THREE Bush Presidencies out of the last five? That is insane even if they eat terrorists and shit free health care.
 
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Thump553

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. . . I think Bush is exactly like Clinton - the more we hear them, the less attractive they become. . . .


In one short sentence you pretty much summed up what 95% of the population thinks.

Assuming Bush v. Clinton I'm predicting a very low voter turnout-which is probably good for the GOP, as their base is more fanatical.

Assuming Jeb wins the real question will be when does Bush War III start, and in what part of the Middle East? Syria? Iran? Yemen?
 

dank69

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In one short sentence you pretty much summed up what 95% of the population thinks.

Assuming Bush v. Clinton I'm predicting a very low voter turnout-which is probably good for the GOP, as their base is more fanatical.

Assuming Jeb wins the real question will be when does Bush War III start, and in what part of the Middle East? Syria? Iran? Yemen?
All the places!
 

saratoga172

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For the love of all that is holy please do not let a Bush or Clinton become the next president. We need new blood in the White House.
 

Hugo Drax

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In one short sentence you pretty much summed up what 95% of the population thinks.

Assuming Bush v. Clinton I'm predicting a very low voter turnout-which is probably good for the GOP, as their base is more fanatical.

Assuming Jeb wins the real question will be when does Bush War III start, and in what part of the Middle East? Syria? Iran? Yemen?

Thats the problem. Bush and Clinton are the establishment and will report to the same people.

Big Lobby,corporate interests win if Bush and Clinton are nominated. To them the are one and the same, so as long as the voting public are provided the same old cold dish of clinton/bush. They already got what they want.

America is becoming a banana republic with puppet presidents who just represent the same corporate junta. Americans are provided an illusion of democracy.
 

Meghan54

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Well, given Jeb's latest pronouncement, I think the hole he's digging just got a little deeper.


Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Wednesday said he favors broader government surveillance of Americans, calling for private tech firms to cooperate better with federal agencies to “make sure that evildoers aren’t in our midst.”

"There's a place to find common ground between personal civil liberties and [the National Security Agency] doing its job," the former Florida governor said. "I think the balance has actually gone the wrong way."

Bush said encryption “makes it harder for the American government to do its job” and called for “a new arrangement with Silicon Valley” to address what he termed as a “dangerous situation.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bush-calls-for-broader-government-surveillance/ar-BBlT7mO


So, Jeb wants the Patriot Act basically renewed and back doors planted in all software, esp. encryption software.
 

werepossum

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Well, given Jeb's latest pronouncement, I think the hole he's digging just got a little deeper.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bush-calls-for-broader-government-surveillance/ar-BBlT7mO

So, Jeb wants the Patriot Act basically renewed and back doors planted in all software, esp. encryption software.
Yeah, he's going to take a beating from all the other candidates who believe, um, the exact same thing . . . Wait a minute.

Except perhaps Rand Paul. Perhaps.
 

Indus

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Everytime I think someone can do a better job than Democrats, I look at Republicans and then I think to myself.. what the hell am I thinking.. I want better not worse!
 
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I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this is repetitive.

I have been fascinated by the way Donald Trump has demolished some of the standard-bearer candidates, particularly Jeb Bush. If Trump had never showed up I think Bush would be, by far, the front runner for the GOP nomination. Now I think he has a huge problem, because Trump has so clearly flushed out Jeb's essential dullness.

Jeb is, it seems, very much like his father - a bright, generally well-meaning guy who is totally uninspiring. That might not have been a huge problem against the likes of Huckabee and Santorum, but when Trump is in the room it's a catastrophic flaw. Bush now just looks weak and boring, even when compared to other candidates who are, unlike Trump, sincerely interested in being President. I'm not sure Bush can survive Trump.
 

werepossum

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I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this is repetitive.

I have been fascinated by the way Donald Trump has demolished some of the standard-bearer candidates, particularly Jeb Bush. If Trump had never showed up I think Bush would be, by far, the front runner for the GOP nomination. Now I think he has a huge problem, because Trump has so clearly flushed out Jeb's essential dullness.

Jeb is, it seems, very much like his father - a bright, generally well-meaning guy who is totally uninspiring. That might not have been a huge problem against the likes of Huckabee and Santorum, but when Trump is in the room it's a catastrophic flaw. Bush now just looks weak and boring, even when compared to other candidates who are, unlike Trump, sincerely interested in being President. I'm not sure Bush can survive Trump.
Let us hope not. Three Presidents from the Bush family out of the last five would be banana republic territory. The Hildabeast is 33% less, um, banana republicish.

EDIT: I agree with your point but I'm not at all sure that the voters' affection for Trump will survive to actually translate to voting for him.
 
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Fern

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I haven't read the entire thread, so forgive me if this is repetitive.

I have been fascinated by the way Donald Trump has demolished some of the standard-bearer candidates, particularly Jeb Bush. If Trump had never showed up I think Bush would be, by far, the front runner for the GOP nomination. Now I think he has a huge problem, because Trump has so clearly flushed out Jeb's essential dullness.

Jeb is, it seems, very much like his father - a bright, generally well-meaning guy who is totally uninspiring. That might not have been a huge problem against the likes of Huckabee and Santorum, but when Trump is in the room it's a catastrophic flaw. Bush now just looks weak and boring, even when compared to other candidates who are, unlike Trump, sincerely interested in being President. I'm not sure Bush can survive Trump.

I think your observation about Jeb is spot on.

And your analysis of Trump's impact seems solid.

Fern
 

sportage

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President Obama "earned" reelection in 2012 simply because he got Bin Laden.
That is all it took. That alone. And Obama won.

On the other side, Jeb Bush must never be president in America for the same logical reasoning.
Why?
Jeb is a Bush and GW Bush's brother.
GW Bush missed the warning signs and 9/11 happened.
GW Bush trashed the economy in 2008, and brought the country to its knees.
GW started a war knowing he purposely used falsified information. Over 3500+ Americans died.

Absolutely in no way should another Bush lead our country, and certainly not as our president.
While Obama earned his reelection, Jeb Bush should be firmly rejected.
Jeb Bush has justly earned his defeat.
 

Jaskalas

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So, Jeb wants the Patriot Act basically renewed and back doors planted in all software, esp. encryption software.

I've been telling you the party "moderates" are all big government Neocons.
I call them moderates because the Democrats and so called Independents love them. Media repeatedly tells us these Neocons are more electable than "Tea Party" types, and they're apparently right. Americans seem to love Iraq wars and Police State powers. How else is Bush even in the race?
 

Hugo Drax

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Bush is laying low right now. Once the Trump is neutralized and the other oddlot candidates drop out. you will see Bush pop out of the bunker with his 100+ million dollar bankroll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...alking-about-jeb-bushs-terrible-poll-numbers/

As you can see Clinton/Bush are the bankrolled by the big whales, They are the chosen ones by the establishment. To give people "Choice" in a "Free and democratic" election.

Things are still going according to plan.

Phase II will be the election, Democrat voters will sit this election out and Republican voters will come in droves to vote in Bush out of fear that Clinton might become president if they sit out the elections.

Clinton is a meh establishment candidate and people will not find her compelling enough to make the effort to vote for her. This is where it all falls together.

Clinton fear is greater than Clinton love, so we get Bush.

Things are still moving along according to plans.
 

dank69

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Bush is laying low right now. Once the Trump is neutralized and the other oddlot candidates drop out. you will see Bush pop out of the bunker with his 100+ million dollar bankroll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...alking-about-jeb-bushs-terrible-poll-numbers/

As you can see Clinton/Bush are the bankrolled by the big whales, They are the chosen ones by the establishment. To give people "Choice" in a "Free and democratic" election.

Things are still going according to plan.

Phase II will be the election, Democrat voters will sit this election out and Republican voters will come in droves to vote in Bush out of fear that Clinton might become president if they sit out the elections.

Clinton is a meh establishment candidate and people will not find her compelling enough to make the effort to vote for her. This is where it all falls together.

Clinton fear is greater than Clinton love, so we get Bush.

Things are still moving along according to plans.
Hahahaha. Bush is quickly approaching life-support status. He is desperately trying to prove he is better than Rubio so they can stop splitting supporters.
 

Indus

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from: http://www.salon.com/2015/10/05/jeb...rent_going_to_save_bushs_disastrous_campaign/

MONDAY, OCT 5, 2015 06:00 AM EDT
Jeb is cooked:

Why megadonors’ millions (probably) aren’t going to save Bush’s disastrous campaign

Team Bush argues they're built to go the distance in the primary, but that won't matter if Jeb has nothing to offer



The Jeb Bush “Don’t Panic, Everything Is Fine” campaign is up and running. With his poll numbers in decline, Jeb is rolling out endorsements and assuring reporters that he’s meeting fundraising targets and will have plenty of money to take the Jeb 2016 machine all the way through the primary season. The arc of Jeb’s campaign is following a very Bush-like trajectory – he started the nominating contest with a “shock and awe” strategy of winning the primary early by scaring off all other pretenders; now he’s fighting off an unexpectedly resilient insurgency and promising that everything will work out in the end because he’s prepared to, ahem, stay the course.

To justify Jeb’s continued presence in the race, his campaign is making the argument that Bush’s path to victory is to wait for all the other candidates to fade or implode, which will clear the way for him to win the nomination through attrition:

But Bush’s financial team and strategists argue that he should now be judged by a different benchmark. Their mantra: He’s built to last. Using phrases like “go the distance,” ”marathon” and “long haul,” they argue that the former Florida governor is uniquely positioned to outlast other candidates, regardless of the fundraising number he posts for the third quarter.

It’s not the worst strategy ever devised – that’s basically how Mitt Romney won the nomination in 2012. But Romney had the benefit of running in a field stuffed with dopes and jokers who had no business running for president. He could outlast people like Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum because they were unserious candidates who never really posed any threat to Romney’s establishment support. Jeb doesn’t have that luxury. Right now he’s digging up oppo on two candidates who could conceivably siphon away his donors and establishment backers: Marco Rubio and John Kasich. And while Romney was viewed as “good enough” by conservatives, those same voters have made it pretty clear they have little respect or patience for another Bush.

That helps explain why Jeb, in the latest poll out from Pew, pulls in an absurdly low 4 percent of the Republican vote. That’s a worrisome enough sign for Jeb’s campaign, but when you dig into the poll’s internals, you start to see just how much trouble Jeb is in.

Let’s start with comparing Jeb’s numbers to those of front-runner Donald Trump. The Donald is pulling down 25 percent of the Republican vote, powered in large part by the anti-immigrant sentiment that is dominating the Republican electorate. According to Pew, 66 percent of Republican voters say immigration is “very important” when deciding whom they’ll vote for in 2016, and 43 percent of Republican voters are more likely to support a candidate who promises to deport every undocumented immigrant in the country. Trump – who has made immigrant-bashing the hot, angry core of his campaign – is the runaway favorite among those voters. Jeb, who is a relative moderate on the issue and preaches tolerance for immigrants, barely registers among this group.

More worrisome for Jeb is the Republican electorate’s disdain for what is supposed to be his strongest selling point: his experience. According to Pew, just 29 percent of GOP voters say it’s more important for their candidate to have “experience and a proven record” than “new ideas and a different approach.” Jeb does relatively well among these voters, trailing only Ben Carson(!) among all the candidates. But for the 66 percent who favor “new ideas” over experience, Jeb is barely an afterthought.

That’s why this “we’re built to last” spin from Team Jeb comes off as pretty empty. Of course candidates are going to drop out as the primary season rolls on, but what reason do Jeb’s people have to think that voters will ultimately coalesce around their guy when there’s little indication he has anything the Republican electorate is looking for? Having sufficient money to compete doesn’t really do you much good if no one is willing to vote for you.

But, as it turns out, Jeb’s team has an answer for this as well – he just has to figure out how to get people “excited” for the Jeb experience. As CNN’s Maeve Reston and Dana Bash report, Jeb’s donors and establishment backers have a few ideas for how to make Jeb seem a little more dynamic:

“The base of the conservative Republican Party has a great field to chose from. Bush has not been able to excite them,” said David McIntosh of the Club for Growth.

Prominent Bush backers and members of his finance team say Bush will wear well on voters over time. A few have suggested tweaks: encouraging Bush get a new pair of eyeglasses, for example.

New glasses! What a concept. If we’ve learned anything from the 2016 Republican race, it’s that there’s nothing like a hot new pair of frames to repair a wounded political brand.
 

soundforbjt

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Bush is laying low right now. Once the Trump is neutralized and the other oddlot candidates drop out. you will see Bush pop out of the bunker with his 100+ million dollar bankroll.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...alking-about-jeb-bushs-terrible-poll-numbers/

As you can see Clinton/Bush are the bankrolled by the big whales, They are the chosen ones by the establishment. To give people "Choice" in a "Free and democratic" election.

Things are still going according to plan.

Phase II will be the election, Democrat voters will sit this election out and Republican voters will come in droves to vote in Bush out of fear that Clinton might become president if they sit out the elections.

Clinton is a meh establishment candidate and people will not find her compelling enough to make the effort to vote for her. This is where it all falls together.

Clinton fear is greater than Clinton love, so we get Bush.

Things are still moving along according to plans.

Keep telling yourself that, Bush is in fourth or fifth place in Florida polls. He can't even dominate in his home state.
 

Indus

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Keep telling yourself that, Bush is in fourth or fifth place in Florida polls. He can't even dominate in his home state.

BTW the biggest thing against Bush and there are a lot of them like we don't need to spend billions on women's issues, he wants to replace medicare with apple watch, etc is that he would be President "Stuff Happens".

And that is exactly what we had the last time around.. 9/11 happened. Katrina happened. Virginia Tech happened and President Stuff Happens was too busy bbq'ing on his ranch in Texas to read a report on his desk Condoleeza Rice had put there titled, "Bin Laden determined to attack United States".

Do we want another President "Stuff Happens"?
 

Hugo Drax

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Hahahaha. Bush is quickly approaching life-support status. He is desperately trying to prove he is better than Rubio so they can stop splitting supporters.

Bush is riding out the Trump storm. Once he is gone and the oddlot candidates go. He will be golden. Watch and see.

#1 Republicans are not gonna nominate a black guy, no way in hell. They spent 8 years upset about the first black president.

#2 Rubio will implode quickly and Fiorina as well.

#3 Bush is the least worst and the one the establishment will prop up since he will work for them. He has a big bankroll.

It is like the Tortoise and the hare. In the end the Tortoise wins.
 

Hugo Drax

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BTW the biggest thing against Bush and there are a lot of them like we don't need to spend billions on women's issues, he wants to replace medicare with apple watch, etc is that he would be President "Stuff Happens".

And that is exactly what we had the last time around.. 9/11 happened. Katrina happened. Virginia Tech happened and President Stuff Happens was too busy bbq'ing on his ranch in Texas to read a report on his desk Condoleeza Rice had put there titled, "Bin Laden determined to attack United States".

Do we want another President "Stuff Happens"?

we had imbecile bush for 8 years. Yes americans will line up as told and vote for another Bush "Stuff happens" president. watch and see this unfold.
 

soundforbjt

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Bush is riding out the Trump storm. Once he is gone and the oddlot candidates go. He will be golden. Watch and see.

#1 Republicans are not gonna nominate a black guy, no way in hell. They spent 8 years upset about the first black president.

#2 Rubio will implode quickly and Fiorina as well.

#3 Bush is the least worst and the one the establishment will prop up since he will work for them. He has a big bankroll.

It is like the Tortoise and the hare. In the end the Tortoise wins.

What happens if Trump doesn't leave? He has far more money than Bush and unlike Bush he hasn't had to spend any so far to get Press and top nearly all the polls.

If Bush keeps "laying low" he'll defeat himself.
 

Indus

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Trump is exposing Republicans for what they truly are.

They're not libertarians as Trump is for Medicare expansion and they are supporting him.

They're not for lower taxes as he wants to Tax more.

They're not for corporation heaven which Republicans and Koch Bros want more of.

What is Trumps appeal? It is that 15% of the US population are legal immigrants who were foreign born and nativists and xenophobes don't like that. It's the first time since the early 1900's that we've had this high a foreign born population and that sparks xenophobic movements by people who feel threatened.. remember the Irish need not apply in Boston?

This is what they're really scared of, not illegals..

from: http://www.uscis.gov/archive/archive-news/naturalization-fact-sheet

Naturalization Statistics

Each year, USCIS welcomes approximately 680,000 citizens during naturalization ceremonies across the United States and around the world.

In FY 2013, 75 percent of all persons naturalizing resided in 10 states (in descending order): California, New York, Florida, Texas, New Jersey, Illinois, Virginia, Massachusetts, Georgia and Pennsylvania.

In FY 2013, the leading metropolitan areas of residence were New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA (17.5 percent); Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA (9 percent); and Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL (8.6 percent).

In FY 2013, the top countries of origin for naturalization were in the following order: Mexico, India, the Philippines, Dominican Republic and China.

Total Naturalized Citizens: Fiscal Years 2001-2014


2014 654,949
2013 777,416
2012 762,742
2011 690,705
2010 619,075
2009 741,982
2008 1,050,399
2007 659,233
2006 702,663
2005 600,366
2004 536,176
2003 456,063
2002 589,727
2001 613,161
 
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More worrisome for Jeb is the Republican electorate’s disdain for what is supposed to be his strongest selling point: his experience. According to Pew, just 29 percent of GOP voters say it’s more important for their candidate to have “experience and a proven record” than “new ideas and a different approach.” Jeb does relatively well among these voters, trailing only Ben Carson(!) among all the candidates. But for the 66 percent who favor “new ideas” over experience, Jeb is barely an afterthought.

If these guys were in charge of hiring a new welder or choosing an auto mechanic, do you think they'd value "new ideas" over experience? But for the most powerful position on the planet, "give us some guy who has literally zero experience in the field." What are you, fucking stupid? The most basic litmus test we use for every other profession on Earth is somehow a bad thing when it comes to judging Presidential candidates? It boggles the mind.
 
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