PREDICTION: Jeb Bush will be nominated and win the next presidential election.

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JSt0rm

Lifer
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Eh, which "old days"?

I mean, Robespierre France? Sure.

Pretty much anytime before or after, aristocrats were safe as long as they remained in good favor at court and voted the King credits for his new wars.


Yeah and what was the punishment today? Your brother being embarrassed?
 

nickqt

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Yeah and what was the punishment today? Your brother being embarrassed?

All I'm pointing out is that aristocrats are generally sheltered from the public and reality in general. Hell, they used to be in charge of directly writing the laws they didn't need to follow. Now they do it through their corporations and thinktanks, using their money and thirdparty lobbyists.

Inverted totalitarianism is alive and well.

There's a reason the founders of this country were against an established aristocracy being formed here in the US. Just a damn shame that the people who benefit the least from the aristocrats end up voting for their puppets out of tribal identity and meaningless wedge issues.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
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And they voted based on false intelligence brought to them by the exec branch. Intelligence the exec branch knew was false. And you want to blame them for how they voted?

Stop going back to Iraq. No need to go that far. I'm not going to do your homework for you, go look up Hillary and all her hawking as SoS. She's itching to drop some bombs as POTUS, she's gotta get herself into the history books as a tough woman you don't mess with.
 

nickqt

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Stop going back to Iraq. No need to go that far. I'm not going to do your homework for you, go look up Hillary and all her hawking as SoS. She's itching to drop some bombs as POTUS, she's gotta get herself into the history books as a tough woman you don't mess with.

Yes, Iraq is way too far back. Sure, 4000+ Americans died and countless thousands of Iraqis too...in addition to creating a vacuum for Daesh to fill. And, hey, it will only run the US around $3T after replacing equipment and trying to fix minds and bodies...and oh yeah, re-fixing Iraq so it isn't a vacuum for Daesh.

But, like, Libya and Syria and Iran, oh my!

If the US government is going to continue to play empire to preserve the freedoms of Boeing and Raytheon and Northrop Grumman, I'll prefer a smart elected emperor who will at least keep American lives from being an announced, concrete operating expense.

So, while you pummel the Hildabeast™, perhaps think about what Ted "we'll find out of sand glows in the dark" Cruz, or Chris "shoot down Russian jets" Christie, or Strongman Donald "we have to take out their familes" Trump promises, in comparison.

I mean, partisanship sucks, right? So, what each of the candidates promises and will likely do is fair game. As well as the distant past of...a decade ago during the previous administration that cannot be named.
 

Indus

Lifer
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Stop going back to Iraq. No need to go that far. I'm not going to do your homework for you, go look up Hillary and all her hawking as SoS. She's itching to drop some bombs as POTUS, she's gotta get herself into the history books as a tough woman you don't mess with.

DUDE what the fuck is worse?

Dropping a bomb that costs as much as a house?

or

Undertaking an invasion and occupation that costs us limbs, lives, security through increase in refugees and oh costs us money equivalent to 35 million of those same houses or bombs if you prefer.
 
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BoberFett

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DUDE what the fuck is worse?

Dropping a bomb that costs as much as a house?

or

Undertaking an invasion and occupation that costs us limbs, lives, security through increase in refugees and oh costs us money equivalent to 35 million of those same houses or bombs if you prefer.

Seriously? So you're OK with Hillary's version of mass destruction because it's not as bad as Bush's? And people wonder why I despise Democrats. Such hypocrites.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Seriously? So you're OK with Hillary's version of mass destruction because it's not as bad as Bush's? And people wonder why I despise Democrats. Such hypocrites.

I don't think people wonder why you despise Democrats, haha. You're an extremely conservative person and America is mostly defined by negative partisanship. Pretty simple.

Can you explain what is hypocritical about supporting low cost intervention but not supporting high cost intervention? I'm confused.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
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He is neither liberal nor conservative, he simply saves his verbal scorn solely for the former to help level out a perceived imbalance of scorn in P and N between the two sides.
 

Ruptga

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He is neither liberal nor conservative, he simply saves his verbal scorn solely for the former to help level out a perceived imbalance of scorn in P and N between the two sides.

I've definitely read less plausible things in this thread.
 

nickqt

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He is neither liberal nor conservative, he simply saves his verbal scorn solely for the former to help level out a perceived imbalance of scorn in P and N between the two sides.
There's a reason that for some people, history started on Jan. 20th, 2009. Their discomfort about what came before doesn't get a pass when the very people they're saying are HYPOCRITES!!!! were the very same people saying that Bush Jr. and his Iraq adventure was going to be a disaster.

And that Iraq adventure has led in a straight line to Daesh in Iraq and Syria, where ol' LOL Libertarian is oh so concerned about HILDABEAST™, dropping bombs in the future.

We have to focus on how bad HRC is going to be, because, like, she's a neocon. But again, we can't talk about the past, or why she might decide to drop some bombs in the future.

And the best part, is that anyone other than Sanders who would be in the White House...you know, the LOL Republicans, are literally talking about shooting down russian jets, making the sand glow, or killing families.

So, before we all go holding hands and forming prayer circles to discuss how HRC is clearly the anti-christ, let's pause for just a moment and consider what the LOL Republican candidates are saying about how they'll play elected emperor. Relative to them, HRC, Obama, and the og conservative Democrat painted as some kind of rabid communist, Billy Clinton, are basically pacifists in the foreign policy department of the strongest Empire in history.

It's called perspective. It'd be great if our conservative friends had some once in awhile.
 

werepossum

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Seriously? So you're OK with Hillary's version of mass destruction because it's not as bad as Bush's? And people wonder why I despise Democrats. Such hypocrites.
Don't know about the Hildabeast's version of mass destruction, but I very much prefer Obama's to Bush's. Same shitty results, much lower price tag in blood and treasure.
 

werepossum

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There's a reason that for some people, history started on Jan. 20th, 2009. Their discomfort about what came before doesn't get a pass when the very people they're saying are HYPOCRITES!!!! were the very same people saying that Bush Jr. and his Iraq adventure was going to be a disaster.

And that Iraq adventure has led in a straight line to Daesh in Iraq and Syria, where ol' LOL Libertarian is oh so concerned about HILDABEAST™, dropping bombs in the future.

We have to focus on how bad HRC is going to be, because, like, she's a neocon. But again, we can't talk about the past, or why she might decide to drop some bombs in the future.

And the best part, is that anyone other than Sanders who would be in the White House...you know, the LOL Republicans, are literally talking about shooting down russian jets, making the sand glow, or killing families.

So, before we all go holding hands and forming prayer circles to discuss how HRC is clearly the anti-christ, let's pause for just a moment and consider what the LOL Republican candidates are saying about how they'll play elected emperor. Relative to them, HRC, Obama, and the og conservative Democrat painted as some kind of rabid communist, Billy Clinton, are basically pacifists in the foreign policy department of the strongest Empire in history.

It's called perspective. It'd be great if our conservative friends had some once in awhile.
We can talk about the past, but we can change the future.
 

nickqt

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We can talk about the past, but we can change the future.

Agreed. And in order to change the future, we need to keep the past in mind so we know what works, what doesn't work, and why.

I'm all for changing the future, or preventing it, depending on the version of the future being discussed. I'm much more interested in reasonable, rational discussions than I am with scoring points against people who I disagree with on specific political issues. I even recognize the value of classic conservatism as a check on rampant, disruptive and counterproductive liberalism that attempts to impose utopia, and instead creates divisions and problems. RINO conservatism, if you want to label it that, but there it is. I see the entire history of civilization as being progressive, and I feel that conservatism has a role to make sure we measure two, three or five times before cutting, to use that analogy.

If you want an example of a RINO Republican whose conservatism I find appealing, you can go read goplifer.com. At the top of the page there are "What is "X" " links that explain his positions. RINO, I know, but it used to be mainstream Republican positions before Nixon and friends stole away the southern baptists/bigots from the old Democratic party, infused them with Bircherism, and then sold them on the faith-based notion that if we just give the people who've already gained the most money and power from the US political and economic system (even with the acknowledged "high taxes"(!) ) even more money, then for some reason, the little people would also get more money, because, like, uh...rising tides lift all yachts or something. Especially if the phrase is abstract, makes sense in the abstract, and fits on a bumper sticker.

Perspective is often lost when discussing politics, especially when one or both sides think their view is the absolute truth and only path to what is good. I have a very long term view on politics and where we as a species should get to, and a short term view on how to best get there. Unfortunately, many people on the right think that the snapshot of history of whatever their favorite time period is how politics and economics should remain, forever. Equally unfortunately, many people on the left think that everything needs to be changed last week, otherwise it will never change. I favor something in the middle for the short term, whereas I recognize that eventually, the political and economical structures that exist today will exist solely in history books. Because, you know, things change and stuff.

In the short term, everything seems in constant flux and potentially catastrophic. I get that. But, if you don't have a long term view that acknowledges the reality that certain progressive ideas will no longer even be up for debate, well, then your either a reactionary who wants to impose on everyone some make-believe political climate that never was and never will be, or a firm Snapshotist™, who somehow believes that what we're doing today will forever be the best way to do it, because, again, no long term view will do that to your world view. And I feel that isn't realistic.

I don't particularly want HRC in the White House. She doesn't make my top 10 list. That said, I can contrast her with the people who will be her opponents in the general election, and except perhaps Rand Paul, who has effectively dropped out, HRC is a hippy peacenik.

That's the whole relativity/perspective thing. Additionally, perspective about the United States as a real-life Empire, or "Superpower", with its imperial actions, or "US Interests", is often glossed over. I don't think any politician has the ability to pull a lever or hit an "off" switch on Empire. But some politicians, more than others, would like to start easing back on it, which I feel is necessary if we're actually going to retain the Pax Americana thing that has existed since WWII. I don't condone drone terrorism, which is what it is, and I don't condone dropping bombs on whomever we feel like. But I also won't pretend that the US can't do something even worse than that, like invading a country, shocking and aweing it to pieces, while costing a lot of money, world opinion, and most importantly, human lives on both sides of the arbitrarily-drawn borders on an abstract map.

The US is not broke. The US can still improve its infrastructure while improving the quality of life of every American, and no, it doesn't require that the rich people have all of their stuff taken and given to the poors. Sanders isn't advocating for the appropriation of private property or the means of production, nor the income taxation of everyone at 99.9% so that looterers and moocherers can all eat T-Bone steaks while driving around in Cadillacs. That shit is so hilariously a caricature of reality that anyone who repeats it should simply be pointed at, laughed at, and then ignored.

I'm clearly a Sanders supporter, whereas I'll simply pull the lever for HRC if that is my only option in the general. Whether a BernieBot wants to claim that I'm a Shillery supporter, or a reactionary wants to claim that I'm a gun-grabbing socialist who wants to take away all your stuff because I don't have it doesn't matter, because neither of those people care about observable reality, and are instead just repeating what their handlers have trained them to repeat. Useful idiots, in other words.

tl;dr: if you're unable to read all of that, your personal opinion has zero relevancy to the real world. Go find the newest version of talking points your handers have prepared and copy/paste them wherever you'd like.
 

boomerang

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Don't know about the Hildabeast's version of mass destruction, but I very much prefer Obama's to Bush's. Same shitty results, much lower price tag in blood and treasure.
Time will tell us what the price tag will be on the Obama foreign policy and I'm predicting it's going to be huge beyond comprehension. It will of course all be blamed on somebody else because we know that Democrats are not responsible for their many and varied failures. They judge themselves based on the intent of their policies. The actual implementation and results are not even considered. The proof is to be found right now in any HRC thread running. As a victim, the mayhem she has created and then left behind is immaterial to the faithful.
 

Ruptga

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tl;dr: if you're unable to read all of that, your personal opinion has zero relevancy to the real world. Go find the newest version of talking points your handers have prepared and copy/paste them wherever you'd like.

 

nickqt

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Time will tell us what the price tag will be on the Obama foreign policy and I'm predicting it's going to be huge beyond comprehension. It will of course all be blamed on somebody else because we know that Democrats are not responsible for their many and varied failures. They judge themselves based on the intent of their policies. The actual implementation and results are not even considered. The proof is to be found right now in any HRC thread running. As a victim, the mayhem she has created and then left behind is immaterial to the faithful.
Yes, compared to Bush Jr.s success in Afghanistan and Iraq, Obama's foreign policy is a disaster.

Hilarious analysis.

Excellent analysis from a typical conservative. Congratulations!
 

Ruptga

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Excellent analysis from a typical conservative. Congratulations!

lol, can I use this as an endorsement the next time I'm accused of being yet another know-nothing liberal? You're an uncritical moron that has clearly spent too much time in P&N.
 

nickqt

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lol, can I use this as an endorsement the next time I'm accused of being yet another know-nothing liberal? You're an uncritical moron that has clearly spent too much time in P&N.
You can use your non-substantive irrelevant posts anyway you want to use them, champ.
 

bshole

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Yes, compared to Bush Jr.s success in Afghanistan and Iraq, Obama's foreign policy is a disaster.

Hilarious analysis.


Excellent analysis from a typical conservative. Congratulations!

Bush broke Iraq far beyond repair. I don't know if it will ever be a functional entity again. Biggest foreign policy blunder in American history. Worse than Vietnam IMHO.
 

nickqt

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Bush broke Iraq far beyond repair. I don't know if it will ever be a functional entity again. Biggest foreign policy blunder in American history. Worse than Vietnam IMHO.

Yeah but the blah man in the White House is infinitely worse, because, uh, Master Limbaugh shits the idea into my skull every day, and if I don't repeat it, I'm not a good American.

Also: Benghazi.
 
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