PREDICTION: Jeb Bush will be nominated and win the next presidential election.

[Wyndru]

Unfortunately I agree, we will see another Bush in office. The field this time around is awful.

People want a republican because of the dem mess, and there isn't much else worth voting for on that side.

Plus, the Bush family has MASSIVE political influence, which none of the other runners have.

 

[werepossum]

Unfortunately I agree, we will see another Bush in office. The field this time around is awful.

People want a republican because of the dem mess, and there isn't much else worth voting for on that side.

Plus, the Bush family has MASSIVE political influence, which none of the other runners have.

Which dem mess, specifically? I'm much more to the right and in a very conservative state, and my experience is that people are either supporting the side they always support, ignoring it all, or saying a pox on both their houses.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Which dem mess, specifically? I'm much more to the right and in a very conservative state, and my experience is that people are either supporting the side they always support, ignoring it all, or saying a pox on both their houses.

I'm past Medicare eligibility, and I think your observation may be statistically correct, but I don't fit the profile. Not anymore. And not since January, 1999, when Dubya stood up in a CSPAN interview while visiting Washington to say "Washington is a cesspool: I will not run for president in 2000."

The last smokescreen began when Barbara Bush indicated that she didn't want Jeb to run, saying "There are a lot of good families [who can offer up a candidate.]"

About "not fitting the profile." I was giving $500/annum to the GOP in the first half of the '80s. I want my money back.

But I agree with the OP in this thread that must have started around February. I think the fix is in, and Bush will get the nomination.

And I think there's a chance he could win.

And I think that will be a bad thing for the country.

GOP'ers need to open their eyes to the industrial base which has found a home in their party establishment. And then, they need to consider, given the smoke-filled backroom nature of that establishment, whether they think that the industrial base always pushes for good decisions that look further ahead into the future than the next two or three corporate annual reports.

I've posted my thoughts about this in other threads, so no need to expand this one.

As for the "Dem mess." If someone simply decided to despise the Obama administration after 2008, you're likely not going to take me seriously here.

But every setback, every shortcoming arose with a Congress so adamantly opposed to working with this administration, that constant repetition and spin could actually convince people that this was a bad presidency.

Meanwhile, the establishment has pushed forward candidates continuing with the platform to eliminate the ACA, using mythical arguments like "insurance premiums are going up" or "indigent use of ER healthcare have increased -- not decreased." Insurance premiums have only gone up as much as they did before the ACA, and ER visits are habitual, but now compensated through the ACA.

Now take it from a former Republican. Next time I'm out on Wild Rose Canyon Road in the heat of summer, and I see some broken-down vehicle with a GOP bumper sticker whose owner is trying to flag down a motorist for "emergency assistance," I'm going to ask for his original birth-certificate. And maybe $1,000 -- whatever the market will bear.

 

[werepossum]

I'm past Medicare eligibility, and I think your observation may be statistically correct, but I don't fit the profile. Not anymore. And not since January, 1999, when Dubya stood up in a CSPAN interview while visiting Washington to say "Washington is a cesspool: I will not run for president in 2000."

The last smokescreen began when Barbara Bush indicated that she didn't want Jeb to run, saying "There are a lot of good families [who can offer up a candidate.]"

About "not fitting the profile." I was giving $500/annum to the GOP in the first half of the '80s. I want my money back.

But I agree with the OP in this thread that must have started around February. I think the fix is in, and Bush will get the nomination.

And I think there's a chance he could win.

And I think that will be a bad thing for the country.

GOP'ers need to open their eyes to the industrial base which has found a home in their party establishment. And then, they need to consider, given the smoke-filled backroom nature of that establishment, whether they think that the industrial base always pushes for good decisions that look further ahead into the future than the next two or three corporate annual reports.

I've posted my thoughts about this in other threads, so no need to expand this one.

As for the "Dem mess." If someone simply decided to despise the Obama administration after 2008, you're likely not going to take me seriously here.

But every setback, every shortcoming arose with a Congress so adamantly opposed to working with this administration, that constant repetition and spin could actually convince people that this was a bad presidency.

Meanwhile, the establishment has pushed forward candidates continuing with the platform to eliminate the ACA, using mythical arguments like "insurance premiums are going up" or "indigent use of ER healthcare have increased -- not decreased." Insurance premiums have only gone up as much as they did before the ACA, and ER visits are habitual, but now compensated through the ACA.

Now take it from a former Republican. Next time I'm out on Wild Rose Canyon Road in the heat of summer, and I see some broken-down vehicle with a GOP bumper sticker whose owner is trying to flag down a motorist for "emergency assistance," I'm going to ask for his original birth-certificate. And maybe $1,000 -- whatever the market will bear.

A few points here. First, if one believes the primary is fixed for Bush then surely one also believes it is fixed for Hillary, and her election would be even worse. Second, premiums have gone up far more than previously. My own company was forced to drop to a cheaper plan, so statistically our rates were flat, but we now get a lot less for the same money. I am okay with that - I always realized that providing health insure for the uninsurable and those who couldn't afford health insurance would require sacrifice from the rest of us, and I think it is worth doing nonetheless. And third, refusing to help someone because they have differing political views is simply the king of dick moves. We are all first human beings, then Americans, and only then R or D.

 

[Indus]

I still think a single payer medicare system would be good for the whole US (as long as it was limited to US citizens and permanent residents). But we need to require those on tourist visas or work visas to purchase insurance or pay a fine.

 

[shortylickens]

I still think a single payer medicare system would be good for the whole US (as long as it was limited to US citizens and permanent residents). But we need to require those on tourist visas or work visas to purchase insurance or pay a fine.

We cant afford it. Not unless we cut way back on other programs. Having served in the military for 9 years I can honestly say those DoD contracts are way too damn expensive. Its not about defending America, its about hooking people up with fat contracts. We need to make massive changes and I'm afraid that will never happen.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Jeb Bush is unelectable.

 

[Cogman]

We cant afford it. Not unless we cut way back on other programs. Having served in the military for 9 years I can honestly say those DoD contracts are way too damn expensive. Its not about defending America, its about hooking people up with fat contracts. We need to make massive changes and I'm afraid that will never happen.

I doubt it would happen, but I think we could afford it (but maybe not at today's prices).

I think the single payer system would give the government a lot of power to start some major and needed reform in the policies and practices of the healthcare industry. They could finally put a halt on drug companies charging outrageous prices for medications that are a fraction of the cost elsewhere.

One way to afford it is to require employers to, instead of buying employees health insurance, spend the same money on the single payer system. (Though, TBH, it probably should be wrapped up in the income and corporate taxes).

 

[piasabird]

Federal government = fraud and waste. I estimate they waste 2/3rds of the revenue they collect.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Federal government = fraud and waste. I estimate they waste 2/3rds of the revenue they collect.

You should do an in depth study on those numbers, see how right you are.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Jeb Bush is unelectable.

He has over 100 million invested, The Kock brothers and other establishment want him.

He will be on the ballot and you will vote as told.

 

[bshole]

Jeb Bush is unelectable.

Funny that, I would put his chances at about 80%. With Clinton's collapse, the Dems don't appear have anything to throw against him.

 

[shira]

Federal government = fraud and waste. I estimate they waste 2/3rds of the revenue they collect.

For 2014, the percentage cost for administering Social Security was 0.7% (about $6 billion, compared with about $913 billion paid out). Considering that the entire federal budget is less than $3 trillion, then - according to you - 100% of the rest of the federal budget is fraud and waste.

 

[shira]

You should do an in depth study on those numbers, see how right you are.

Magical thinking by righties is that eliminating fraud and waste will yield a balanced budget.

 

[BurnItDwn]

We have had white conservatives. Obama's half white, and hes far more conservative than his campaign promises. You might call him a black liberal, but, he's only half black, and hes less than half liberal.

 

[werepossum]

Funny that, I would put his chances at about 80%. With Clinton's collapse, the Dems don't appear have anything to throw against him.

Even assuming that the Hildabeast does collapse, why is Sanders nothing? Same with Biden - he may be an idiot, but at least he's an honest idiot as shown by his modest wealth. Same with Fauxcahontas; honestly, of all the possibilities and hopefuls I like the legislation she has written more than that of anyone else, in spite of the fact that her politics are mostly far removed from mine. We share a certain populist bent, but just as importantly her legislation seems well-crafted and actually intelligently addressing the issues at which it is nominally aimed. Warren might be a better choice than Bush even for someone of my politics, and I don't see that Sanders or Webb or even Biden are materially worse. At least they aren't the latest dynasty pop-ups.

 

[Indus]

He has over 100 million invested, The Kock brothers and other establishment want him.

He will be on the ballot and you will vote as told.

Funny that, I would put his chances at about 80%. With Clinton's collapse, the Dems don't appear have anything to throw against him.

Single Working Women: What do they gain from Bush?
Hispanics/ Asians: What do they gain from Bush?
African Americans: What do they gain from Bush?

Look at the demographics from 2012 to 2016. Has there been an increase of older angry white voters who tend to vote for GOP 80% or millennial voters who vote democrat 75%?

But the number one issue I expect to be the factor is the economy. If it's decent/ good.. a Democrat will win. If it's bad.. expect change.

And here's the kicker.. the Democrats have 242 already. They can lose Florida and Ohio and still win. If the GOP loses Ohio and Florida.. its a landslide.

There's more to it than common sense and feeling.. its called the Electoral College. 270 to win!

 

[kage69]

... And third, refusing to help someone because they have differing political views is simply the king of dick moves. We are all first human beings, then Americans, and only then R or D.

Emphatically this.



And hey don't judge! The sticker doubles as a handicap parking permit, that's value right there folks!

 

[bshole]

Even assuming that the Hildabeast does collapse, why is Sanders nothing? Same with Biden - he may be an idiot, but at least he's an honest idiot as shown by his modest wealth. Same with Fauxcahontas; honestly, of all the possibilities and hopefuls I like the legislation she has written more than that of anyone else, in spite of the fact that her politics are mostly far removed from mine. We share a certain populist bent, but just as importantly her legislation seems well-crafted and actually intelligently addressing the issues at which it is nominally aimed. Warren might be a better choice than Bush even for someone of my politics, and I don't see that Sanders or Webb or even Biden are materially worse. At least they aren't the latest dynasty pop-ups.

Follow the money my friend. Bush has 120 million. Money BUYS elections in America. You are not nearly cynical enough my friend. Put your money on Bush, it is almost a mortal lock.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0

 

[MongGrel]

Follow the money my friend. Bush has 120 million. Money BUYS elections in America. You are not nearly cynical enough my friend. Put your money on Bush, it is almost a mortal lock.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0

I'm highly skeptical.

And we are still way, way out from the election.

 

[Nebor]

Follow the money my friend. Bush has 120 million. Money BUYS elections in America. You are not nearly cynical enough my friend. Put your money on Bush, it is almost a mortal lock.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0

Every study ever conducted on this issue has concluded the opposite. But don't worry about it.

 

[Strk]

Follow the money my friend. Bush has 120 million. Money BUYS elections in America. You are not nearly cynical enough my friend. Put your money on Bush, it is almost a mortal lock.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?_r=0

While ultimately true, I think the more Jeb says, the less likely he is to win. I don't necessarily see Trump getting the nomination, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got it either. He may have a propensity at saying stupid things, yet his stances aren't nearly as far right as the other candidates. Trump's problem is coming off as a meat head.

Admittedly, I wouldn't vote for any of them though. And let's not forget, the most money isn't always a guaranteed win. Remember that nomination Howard Dean got?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Single Working Women: What do they gain from Bush?
Hispanics/ Asians: What do they gain from Bush?
African Americans: What do they gain from Bush?

Look at the demographics from 2012 to 2016. Has there been an increase of older angry white voters who tend to vote for GOP 80% or millennial voters who vote democrat 75%?

But the number one issue I expect to be the factor is the economy. If it's decent/ good.. a Democrat will win. If it's bad.. expect change.

And here's the kicker.. the Democrats have 242 already. They can lose Florida and Ohio and still win. If the GOP loses Ohio and Florida.. its a landslide.

There's more to it than common sense and feeling.. its called the Electoral College. 270 to win!

They gain nothing, just like they would gain nothing from Clinton.

This is why the voting public will be handed a cold disk of Clinton or bush, and they will vote one of the two as they are told.

Both Clinton and bush are just two sides of the same coin.

Trump will not get nominated, he is not in the loop.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Mark this spot. Jeb Bush will win the next presidental election, and will be re-elected for a second term.

Romney will be Vice President pick.

Americans are tired of a Democrat president. They want a White conservative president for a change.

Americans are even more concerned about having a Republican in office!! Now that will never happen!

The only "Republican" with a chance is Donald Trump!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Trump will not get nominated, he is not in the loop.

Doesn`t matter!! For certain no matter how you try to spin it -- NO REPUBLICAN will get elected POTUS!!! You heard it here again!!