PREDICTION: Microsoft will lose hard on this generation.

[purbeast0]

I have yet to need to tinker with a game to get it to work on my Windows 8 PC. All of them run like a dream and never suffer from the slowdowns and low framerate that is all too common on the pSbox1. It probably will sell like hotcakes because there are too many stupid people and bad parents out there that couldn't give two ishts about what their money is being wasted on. They are stuck in the same rut they've always been in and refuse to make the move to discover something better.

What I do find more than a little suspect is the fact that you seem to have to stalk my every post in gaming and point out how wonderful consoles are and how wrong and troll-tastic I am in your eyes.

One would think that in a tech forum where the best information is more easily found and shared that there would not be an outright push to silence those who have an unbiased, truthful view on how things are. Instead, here I am having to explain to everyone that for the same 7-800 bucks you're going to lay down on your console you could buy a PC that has unlimited capability as an actual computer AND plays all the same games at even higher resolutions. Plus the games cost less, you can play online without paying an internet tax, and you will have almost ZERO loudmouth whiney kids and ghetto dipishts blaring on the mic.

It just makes no sense to go console in this generation, unless you are too poor to afford the slightly higher cost up front. And if that is the case, you buy the hardware in pieces over time to spread out the cost anyways.

As I said, the console companies already lost this generation, the only problem is that the only information anyone gets anymore is disinformation from shills.

i'll take the bait...

this whole paragraph is just retarded. i've already mentioned in another thread that it's 100% false about being able to play the same games on pc that are on console. but you just brush it off as the games aren't good since you don't care for em.

as far as the whiny brats online, i haven't experienced that since i only chat on there when i'm in party with friends. it's really easy to avoid it. infact i've had the most hatemail and rage quits playing ssf4 on pc than i have on ps3 and 360. pc was the most by far, then ps3, then xbox360. and ive played xbox360 version probably way more than like 1000 hours in the past 4 years.

and as far as spending $700 - $800 on a console when you could do the same for a pc, there are many MANY reasons to choose one over the other, and vice versa. and many of us can actually have it all - consoles and pc gaming.

but like you are doing right now, you are trying to defend why you have to get one over the other, when truth is a lot of people can have both if they want. it is just like how 99% of the internet can't fathom the fact that some people want the ps4 and xbox1, but rather that they have to pick 1 or the other and pick a side. simply retarded, as your post was.

 

[SharpHawk]

I feel like one should employ proper capitalization before throwing around the word "retarded" with abandon.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I feel like one should employ proper capitalization before throwing around the word "retarded" with abandon.

I feel like grammar police posts are annoying and only seek to get an inflammatory response.

 

[Tweak155]

I feel like grammar police posts are annoying and only seek to get an inflammatory response.

Normally I'd agree, but it IS somewhat hypocritical.

 

[Tweak155]

I have yet to need to tinker with a game to get it to work on my Windows 8 PC. All of them run like a dream and never suffer from the slowdowns and low framerate that is all too common on the pSbox1. It probably will sell like hotcakes because there are too many stupid people and bad parents out there that couldn't give two ishts about what their money is being wasted on. They are stuck in the same rut they've always been in and refuse to make the move to discover something better.

What I do find more than a little suspect is the fact that you seem to have to stalk my every post in gaming and point out how wonderful consoles are and how wrong and troll-tastic I am in your eyes.

One would think that in a tech forum where the best information is more easily found and shared that there would not be an outright push to silence those who have an unbiased, truthful view on how things are. Instead, here I am having to explain to everyone that for the same 7-800 bucks you're going to lay down on your console you could buy a PC that has unlimited capability as an actual computer AND plays all the same games at even higher resolutions. Plus the games cost less, you can play online without paying an internet tax, and you will have almost ZERO loudmouth whiney kids and ghetto dipishts blaring on the mic.

It just makes no sense to go console in this generation, unless you are too poor to afford the slightly higher cost up front. And if that is the case, you buy the hardware in pieces over time to spread out the cost anyways.

As I said, the console companies already lost this generation, the only problem is that the only information anyone gets anymore is disinformation from shills.

Cost over time is debatable. It can cost $500 alone for a graphics card if that's your pleasure. The downside of the PC scene is that your computer will get outdated and need upgrades just to keep up on high settings, thus losing its advantage.

That said, PC gaming AND console gaming exist for a reason. There is a market for both, not just one or the other. Where you value something, others may not. So, your opinion is just that, an opinion - not some ultimate form of logic.

 

[sigurros81]

I feel like grammar police posts are annoying and only seek to get an inflammatory response.

I don't know why people call it grammar police/nazi. It's just a simple way of calling out someone's idiocy when it comes to basic spelling. If you cannot even spell a few simple words that you should have learned by the time you reach 3rd grade, how are people going to give you any credibility to your argument.

I am not the shining beacon when it comes to grammar or spelling, as English is not my first language, but it is still easy for me to discredit an adult who cannot spell a few basic, frequently-used words.

Then again, someone just enjoy the thrill of trolling.

 

[smackababy]

For console launch titles, a $700-800 PC will hold up fairly well against them. Possibly better if you get deals on parts. However, in the lifecycle, you will either have to upgrade your PC or continually turn down the settings to get 8+ years of life out of it. Consoles age better. I think another barrier of entry is the fact you have to buy a monitor. Yes, you have to have a TV to use a console, but the vast majority of people, that cost is already taken care of.

And setting up a console requires you to plug in, at the very most, 4 connectors. Power, Audio, Video, internet. PCs require much more set up and the task is rather daunting for the majority of people. It is much easier now than it used to be, but still not nearly as easy as a console.

In the event you absolutely can only buy 1, you have to look at all the options and whatever fits you. If you do live in a rural area with no internet, the Xbox One and PC are probably not the best options; go with the PS4. If you must play the new Halo, go with the Xbox One.

 

[smackababy]

I don't know why people call it grammar police/nazi. It's just a simple way of calling out someone's idiocy when it comes to basic spelling. If you cannot even spell a few simple words that you should have learned by the time you reach 3rd grade, how are people going to give you any credibility to your argument.

I am not the shining beacon when it comes to grammar or spelling, as English is not my first language, but it is still easy for me to discredit an adult who cannot spell a few basic, frequently-used words.

Then again, someone just enjoy the thrill of trolling.

Because it is an ad hominem attack at best. "Oh, you misspelled something, therefore your entire point is invalid" makes no sense. You only discredit yourself by doing it.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't know why people call it grammar police/nazi. It's just a simple way of calling out someone's idiocy when it comes to basic spelling. If you cannot even spell a few simple words that you should have learned by the time you reach 3rd grade, how are people going to give you any credibility to your argument.

I am not the shining beacon when it comes to grammar or spelling, as English is not my first language, but it is still easy for me to discredit an adult who cannot spell a few basic, frequently-used words.

Then again, someone just enjoy the thrill of trolling.

Cause usually the post seeks to invalidate the argument because someone doesn't have 100% perfect punctuation, spelling, capitalization etc. Basically to me it's like a 6 year old losing an argument and yelling "you're stupid" before running off.

 

[purbeast0]

Because it is an ad hominem attack at best. "Oh, you misspelled something, therefore your entire point is invalid" makes no sense. You only discredit yourself by doing it.

i call out people in vocal conversations because they don't capitalize their words when speaking, or add periods at the correct times. makes their point irrelevant.

my reason on here is because i'm lazy about punctuation because it doesn't matter.

still doesn't change the fact that him saying you can get the same games on pc with better graphics is just flat out 100% false.

 

[ImpulsE69]

For console launch titles, a $700-800 PC will hold up fairly well against them. Possibly better if you get deals on parts. However, in the lifecycle, you will either have to upgrade your PC or continually turn down the settings to get 8+ years of life out of it. Consoles age better. I think another barrier of entry is the fact you have to buy a monitor. Yes, you have to have a TV to use a console, but the vast majority of people, that cost is already taken care of.

And setting up a console requires you to plug in, at the very most, 4 connectors. Power, Audio, Video, internet. PCs require much more set up and the task is rather daunting for the majority of people. It is much easier now than it used to be, but still not nearly as easy as a console.

In the event you absolutely can only buy 1, you have to look at all the options and whatever fits you. If you do live in a rural area with no internet, the Xbox One and PC are probably not the best options; go with the PS4. If you must play the new Halo, go with the Xbox One.

The part about having to upgrade and comparing it to consoles is way beyond false. It only applies if you must have the bleeding edge graphics on every game and those games were actually made for PC instead of a console. The reason it doesn't apply is because consoles don't get better over time, only the coding for them. The PC side will always have the possibility to look and play better, therefore justifying the cost to some. Look at the 360/PS3 now vs a PC. You don't need to upgrade to play those ports or any that have come out for the last 5 years.

 

[sigurros81]

Cause usually the post seeks to invalidate the argument because someone doesn't have 100% perfect punctuation, spelling, capitalization etc. Basically to me it's like a 6 year old losing an argument and yelling "you're stupid" before running off.

If someone had a good argument and they got called out on their grammar, I can see the comparison.

 

[BladeVenom]

Madden NFL 09 was the last game to come out for the Xbox. Microsoft shut down their servers a year after the last game for the Xbox came out.

 

[sigurros81]

I'm sure someone here already stated what I have to say but I find it rather silly for people to running circles with the debate of consoles vs. pc.

PC technology is constantly getting better and evolving, so the potentiality of improved graphics and to an extent--gameplay-- is there. Now a developer, if they're shitty, can still make a shitty PC version of a game that may or may not be any better than the console version.

Ultimately, you get what you pay for. I'm a PC gamer at heart because I like FPS, and I cannot stand playing FPS with a controller. I love the customizability of a PC, a keyboard full of buttons for me to customize to my liking.

I also love consoles if I want to vedge out on the couch with my buddies, and also for great games that are console only.

 

[smackababy]

The part about having to upgrade and comparing it to consoles is way beyond false. It only applies if you must have the bleeding edge graphics on every game and those games were actually made for PC instead of a console. The reason it doesn't apply is because consoles don't get better over time, only the coding for them. The PC side will always have the possibility to look and play better, therefore justifying the cost to some. Look at the 360/PS3 now vs a PC. You don't need to upgrade to play those ports or any that have come out for the last 4 years.

The Xbox 360 launched in 2005. With a $700 PC from 2005, you would have a hard time playing a game @720P released this year. And the initial visual quality advantage you get at launch is completely negated unless you upgrade, making it a "look better now for more and end up, at best, the same in 8 years for an extra couple hundred dollars" argument, which isn't worth it for a lot of people.

The value of budget built PCs vs consoles favors the consoles, I believe.

 

[ImpulsE69]

The Xbox 360 launched in 2005. With a $700 PC from 2005, you would have a hard time playing a game @720P released this year. And the initial visual quality advantage you get at launch is completely negated unless you upgrade, making it a "look better now for more and end up, at best, the same in 8 years for an extra couple hundred dollars" argument, which isn't worth it for a lot of people.

The value of budget built PCs vs consoles favors the consoles, I believe.

You are WRONG. Period. I can tell you you are wrong because I know first hand. You must remember to consider that we're talking games that are console ports. Not games that were completely redone for PC or made on PC then ported to console. Those games are not any better now than they were when the 360 was released on a hardware level. The only improvements are by the actual coding. If a port was crappy, it was crappy, it had nothing to do with a PC being powerful enough to actually play it.

The only time consoles favor PC is the first year or so that they are out, which from the looks of it, definitely won't be the next generation coming up. Why do you think people are always saying consoles are holding PC's up? Because most games are being done on old consoles and ported to PC and there's been no reason to upgrade PC's due to them being so much better. Again, I didn't say "in the life of the console" i said the last 5 years. Thank god I don't play games because of graphics or I wouldn't touch consoles.

 

[KaOTiK]

The Xbox 360 launched in 2005. With a $700 PC from 2005, you would have a hard time playing a game @720P released this year. And the initial visual quality advantage you get at launch is completely negated unless you upgrade, making it a "look better now for more and end up, at best, the same in 8 years for an extra couple hundred dollars" argument, which isn't worth it for a lot of people.

The value of budget built PCs vs consoles favors the consoles, I believe.

To be fair, a lot of console games aren't even 720p natively lol

 

[smackababy]

You are WRONG. Period. I can tell you you are wrong because I know first hand. You must remember to consider that we're talking games that are console ports. Not games that were completely redone for PC or made on PC then ported to console.

A game that is available on console and PC. It does not matter how it was developer or ported or any of that crap. Do you think anyone on console cares if their game was made on PC first? Or developed for console and then ported? Or if they were two different versions? Absolutely not. These are the people you want to buy PC instead. Not jaded PC gamers who cry consolization anytime they don't like a game. People are crying D3 was consolized, a year after it was released on PC then announced on console.

What matters is if the game is available on both, the console will run it better later into it's lifecycle vs budget hardware purchased at the time the console was built. I bought a 8800 GTX Ultra when it release. I wouldn't play a game today (5 years later) on it, and it cost more than my Xbox 360.

 

[ImpulsE69]

It does matter because you said it did when you brought price into the comparison and said that to play those games coming out on consoles later in their life required that cost of upgrading a PC which is not true. It's a very bad comparison, just like the Steam comparison.

 

[sigurros81]

A game that is available on console and PC. It does not matter how it was developer or ported or any of that crap. Do you think anyone on console cares if their game was made on PC first? Or developed for console and then ported? Or if they were two different versions? Absolutely not. These are the people you want to buy PC instead. Not jaded PC gamers who cry consolization anytime they don't like a game. People are crying D3 was consolized, a year after it was released on PC then announced on console.

What matters is if the game is available on both, the console will run it better later into it's lifecycle vs budget hardware purchased at the time the console was built. I bought a 8800 GTX Ultra when it release. I wouldn't play a game today (5 years later) on it, and it cost more than my Xbox 360.

Because games today are much more graphic intensive than games that came out 10 years ago? I'm not getting the point you're trying to make. It's like pointing out the obvious that an Xbox360 won't be able to play Xbox ONE games.

 

[torpid]

Because games today are much more graphic intensive than games that came out 10 years ago? I'm not getting the point you're trying to make.

They seem to be. Several high profile games I wanted to get for my PC were basically unplayable because my video card was out of date. Diablo 3, for example. Yet it is smooth as butter on a brand new laptop.

 

[ImpulsE69]

They seem to be. Several high profile games I wanted to get for my PC were basically unplayable because my video card was out of date. Diablo 3, for example. Yet it is smooth as butter on a brand new laptop.

Yes, but that really isn't the comparison he's making. He's trying to say that PC's require upgrades while consoles don't and you get the same game, but what he's not really going into is that unless those same console games were made only for PC, or enhanced to have higher requirements, then there is no upgrade required at all. He's also failing to notice that most console games of last gen were not 1080p whereas all PC games could be. That alone may not justify the "cost", but it still invalidates his comparison.

 

[BeaviSKY]

Valve can be trusted you say? The same company that said switching to a episodic release schedule would allow them to make better games quicker? Yeah... 8 years late, still no HL3. Valve is about as full of shit as you can get. Oh, they "care about gamers" because Gabe runs his fat mouth about how he refuses to sell to EA. He doesn't mention they offer was about half what Valve was considered to be worth, though.

And what is your alternative to MS? Sony. Yes, the same company that is praising ownership of your games, so long as you don't modify them in any way. Because if you do, they will sue you. You can't modify your PS4 either. Ask geohots. Oh, and let's not forget the rootkits. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal Don't think you own anything you buy from Sony. They have a record of actually trying to screw over customers.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to believe people are taking Sony, master of the DRM Virus as the lesser of these two evils. LOL

 

[BladeVenom]

Lets estimate a 7 year life cycle for the next console generation.

Xbone $500, you still need a basic PC $400, and seven years of Live 7 x $60 = $420. $500 + $400 + $420 = $1320 before we even include the games. $1320 makes a decent gaming computer plus a video card upgrade later.

Now let us add in the cost of games. PC games start $10 less, and usually $20 less with early sales, if you are willing to wait for months you can get games for as little as $10 to $20. So $20 less per game seems a reasonable average savings.

If you buy one PC game a month, you save $1680 over a 7 year period. If you are a casual gamer and only buy two games a year that's still $280 in savings by buying PC games.

So if you buy a game a month you can spend $1320 + $1680 = $3000 on your PC over 7 years and still not be spending more than a console gamer. If you are a casual gamer who only buys a couple of title a year, you can spend $1320 + $280 = $1600 on your PC over 7 years and still not be spending more than a console gamer.

When you add in the cost of games and Live, PC gaming can be cheaper than console gaming.

 

[torpid]

Yes, but that really isn't the comparison he's making. He's trying to say that PC's require upgrades while consoles don't and you get the same game, but what he's not really going into is that unless those same console games were made only for PC, or enhanced to have higher requirements, then there is no upgrade required at all. He's also failing to notice that most console games of last gen were not 1080p whereas all PC games could be. That alone may not justify the "cost", but it still invalidates his comparison.

I guess it depends on the game. There are many games that are on PS3 and PC and I would be unable to get (what I consider to be) an enjoyable experience on the PC version with my current PC. Bioshock Infinite comes to mind.

To me the bottom line is... if they release a game simultaneously for a console and PC, chances are good that they spent enough time scaling the game down for PS3/360 that it is a playable and enjoyable experience, albeit in lower res and with other limitations. On the other hand, sometimes they don't spend a lot of time optimizing the years-old PC experience. Sometimes they do and the game is great even on outdated hardware, but my personal experience with my limited set of games has been that I'm safer getting the console version if my computer is out of date.