Predictions for mueller's testimony

ivwshane

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What's everyone's prediction for what will happen tomorrow with regards to mueller's testimony in front of Congress?

My prediction? Democrats will end up with a basket full of broken eggs. That is, senior Democrats (Pelosi for example), have put all their faith into a Republican who has already demonstrated an unwillingness to understand the moment we are in and to act accordingly, to help lead the nation towards impeachment.

Super pessimistic I know, but tell me I'm wrong about Mueller based on anything in his past.
 

nOOky

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A whole lot of nothing. Everything is already there for Congress to act, Pelosi just doesn't want to right now. It's purely political and basically unwinnable what with Trump having the GOP in his back pocket. I'm sorry, but he's just going to get away with shit like he has his entire life, unless he's voted out. We can only hope his horrible diet and lack of exercise and good sleep does the dirty work for America's sake.
 

blackangst1

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A big nothing burger. Its my understanding he wont stray from what is in his report, which we already know.

But, in todays politics, anything is possible.
 

kage69

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The Dems will work to confirm several key findings. Russia offered to help. Trump and Co were receptive. Trump then took multiple steps to conceal that and quash any inquiry into it. Maybe he can elaborate on how Barr's summary didn't "fully capture the context, nature, and substance" of the report.

We need to start impeachment. If republicans in Senate want to go down as traitors, let them.

I'm worried Mueller will play it by the letter because he knows the (R)s have already demonstrated No Shame in their contempt for oversight and the Constitution. He might feel whatever he says is irrelevant as they've already thrown their lot with the likes of Trump and Putin. Barr certainly has.
 
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glenn1

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He yells "you can't handle the truth!" then Tom Cruise tricks him into admitting he ordered the Code Red.
 
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kage69

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He yells "you can't handle the truth!" then Tom Cruise tricks him into admitting he ordered the Code Red.

Let's hope he instead appreciates that as a civilian he has some freedom to say things downright unfortunate for those involved with the Code Orange. I do.

I don't envy poor Mueller. He's going to have cameras pointed at his face while he gets to choose between his love of country or acquiescencing to the corruption of the office of president and further abuses of power. I figure he will either fly or flop.
 
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UNCjigga

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I predict Democrats won’t get the magic bullet that helps them grow a spine and unanimously push for impeachment inquiries. It’ll be much of what we already know, with a bit of political theater from Republicans asking Mueller duhversion questions about Hillary’s emails, FISA warrants, Chris Steele, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page texts, Bruce Ohr, Biden’s son in Ukraine, blah blah.

The media is hyping this up, but this will be b-block or c-block news by the weekend.
 

pete6032

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Nothing will happen and then Trump will then use it as proof of no collusion or obstruction despite the fact that the report did not clear the President of obstruction or collusion.
 

umbrella39

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Nothing will happen. This will be the Dems version of Benghazi for the time being until it becomes necessary to move forward. In year 2019... it's about getting the shit out in the news every couple of weeks. We have short attention spans. Keep reminding the American public there is a criminal in the WH. Keep pressing this idiot to grab deeper into his bag of diversions. Last week Go back to where you came from, next week who knows...
 
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Starbuck1975

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Mueller will frustrate both Democrats and Republicans by refusing to validate the narratives that both are pushing, and it will help Trump politically.

I don’t envy Mueller but I expect he will answer the questions truthfully and undress anyone who tries to grandstand.
 
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The best the Dems can hope for is he says Trump wasn’t cleared or he would have been charged if President.

Best the GOP can hope for is him not going beyond what’s in writing.

Everything else is just wishful thinking by all involved.
 

ivwshane

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The best line of questioning I heard was offered up by Katie porter, who wont be there, is to simply ask questions we already know the answer to.

For example:

Based on your investigation, can you exonerate the president of federal crimes? (the answer is of course no)

Is the substantial evidence that the president committed one or more acts of obstruction of justice? (the answer is yes) How many acts of obstruction of justice did you find? (the answer is at minimum 4 and up to 14).

They could also ask;

Did the trump campaign have significant contact with foreign entities, including Russians with ties to the Kremlin? (yes)

Is it true that you were unable to show that the trump campaign conspired with Russia because campaign officials lied to you or tried to obstruct your investigation into their contact with Russians? (The answer is yes).

Was it true that it was only hours after trump publicly asked Russia to fund hillary's emails that the DNC was hacked by Russia? (of course it is)

Is it true that that trump thanked and promoted a rally in Miami that was organized by the IRA via Facebook and the IRA created fake accounts to brag about that posting by trump? (yes, that happened)

And on and on..
 
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woolfe9998

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I'm not entirely certain to be honest, but it should be mentioned that Mueller is there under subpoena, which means he's legally obligated to answer all questions put to him, with few exceptions. Mueller could have had this another way, which was to come to an agreement with the committee limiting the scope of his testimony, in which case he would appear voluntarily. In that case, the agreement would limit the questioning, but also, without a subpoena, he technically could refuse to answer any question he didn't want to answer, or leave whenever he pleased. He could have had it that way. Instead, he chose to not accept the committee's overtures toward such an agreement, even though they said at the outset they would subpoena him if they couldn't come to an agreement. If he's desperate to not talk about certain things, I find that odd.

Sure, when your typical political type testifies before one of these committees, they tap dance, don't really answer questions, and act in the generally dishonest way that such people tend to act. And there's rarely any consequence to it. But Mueller seems like a rule of law sort of guy. Which suggests he may not try to be evasive or invoke meritless legal privileges. In short, I think it's possible he may be more forthcoming than most people expect, albeit in a low key sort of way.

I think the questioners need to treat it like a deposition and be thorough. He's not going to volunteer any information. I think he will provide what he has, but they're going to need to extract it from him piece by piece.

My guess is that Mueller wants his legacy in these events to read: he followed the law and did his job. Yet I can't help but think that anyone who looked into Trump for that long can't possibly have a high opinion of the man. So does answering a direct factual question put to you by Congress while you're there under subpoena make him seem political just because it hurts Trump? It doesn't to me, and perhaps it won't the Mueller either.
 

Moonbeam

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What I expect to see is the cadaveric spasms of a supposed democracy that is actually dead.

Or maybe Mueller will destroy Trump as president as he should or his buddy will.
 
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Thump553

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Each politician is limited to approximately five minutes of questioning. Expect a lot of superficial questioning by the Dems and hypocritical grandstanding by the GOP.

The chances of Mueller adding anything new that is not in his report are near zero. For sure the issue of if Trump was not President, would he have been indicted come up-I expect Mueller to evade and not answer.

The most interesting thing to me will be be if the topic of Barr's wholesale and false rewriting of the report comes up, and the extent to which Mueller speaks on that subject.

Sadly the main purpose of the hearing is because the vast majority of people (even Senators and Congress) haven't read the report. Like Trump, the vast majority of us don't pay any attention unless things are read to us.
 

dank69

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I think the purpose of this is to get Mueller to say on camera all the things that his report already says. You know, for all the people stuck inside the conservative media bubble that think the report says no obstruction no collusion.
 

sportage

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Its a bit funny how house democrats are spinning this.
One reasoning from them is that finally the people will know what is in the Mueller report.
I don't see how more people will even be listening that have not already been listening.
And this is a work day, so most Americans will be at work and not in front of their TV.
And while at work, the most heard comment will be I'M SO SICK OF THIS CRAP.

As for Mueller, Mueller is a firkin loyal Trumpie.
Mueller is no Archibald Cox, so don't pretend he is.
Cox would have indicted Trump, Mueller would not and did not.
That should tell people a lot about Mueller right there.
Mueller is a republican and no doubt refuses to cross that line of destroying Trump's presidency.

So in the end none of this will amount to anything.
House Democrats will still refuse to proceed with impeachment, Nancy Pelosi will do her thing, the new house democrats will continue to do their thing with wanting impeachment, 2019 will come and go, and 2020 will give Donald Trump his second term, easily....

Remember the bombing of Iraq by Senior Bush?
Remember when the bombing began?
Remember the SHOCK AND AWE?
Well.... think of today as the Iraq war minus the shock and awe.
 

vi edit

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We won't move the political football any further forward. I will say though, this deputy guy getting sworn in later today is definitely getting under the skin of Tweeter in Chief. There's something going on there that has his tighty whiteys in a bunch.
 

sportage

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Why am I thinking of the movie THE GODFATHER II?
The scene where Pentangeli testified in congress.
And isn't the Trump administration pretty much like the Corleone family?
If Mueller did have a moment of patriotic enlightening in todays hearing and Mueller began to tell what he really thought and knew, expect a bullet thru the head.
And that would start a whole new Trump investigation as to who, how, and why?
A new investigation, and new Trump denials. No collusion. No corruption. I didn't know the assassins. Fake news.
 

nOOky

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While I don't think anything will come of all this, the Dems can use it to hammer home what is in the report. Questions can be structured to emphasize what is already there. For example I would start with something like: "Mr Mueller, regarding the 10 examples of obstruction of justice against the President you outlined in your report..." etc. and branch off of that.
I think the obvious needs to be stated in the form of pointed questions, such as "you refuse to formally charge the President despite outlining your evidence against him for obstruction, and AG Barr specifically wondering why you didn't, can you explain to us how there can be obstruction even without an underlying crime being committed?".
 

ondma

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Let's hope he instead appreciates that as a civilian he has some freedom to say things downright unfortunate for those involved with the Code Orange. I do.

I don't envy poor Mueller. He's going to have cameras pointed at his face while he gets to choose between his love of country or acquiescencing to the corruption of the office of president and further abuses of power. I figure he will either fly or flop.
I dont feel sorry for him at all. . He wimped out in the report, and will wimp out again in front of congress. At first, I felt strongly he should be forced to testify, but as time has gone on, I realize that it is an exercise in futility that has serious potential to backfire against the Democrats. I definitely dont think he will state Trump should have been indicted if he were not president, even if he feels that. The best the Democrats can do is drive home the point that the report did not vindicate Trump of being innocent of any crime.
 

ivwshane

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We can see how Republicans will be spinning this and it looks to be the same as how Barr spun this.

They are looking to hammer how the investigation started in the first place and they will focus on the reports conclusions instead of the evidence found. The conclusion, I will remind everyone, was highly influenced by department policy to not indict a sitting president.
 
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