Predictions for mueller's testimony

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HomerJS

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GOP: Mueller was not fired. Nothing wrong here

Mueller: Trump tried to get McGahn to fire Trump
Mueller: Attempting to obstruct justice is a crime.
 

umbrella39

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Jun 11, 2004
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Even if they played a tape of Trump telling people to lie and obstruct the investigation this will convince ZERO Fox News Trump supporters of a single thing other than Libtards bad, how can Trump be guilty of covering up something that never happened...

Vote them all out.


Just glossed at the Fox News comments and within the first 5 posts:

"How can there be obstruction when no crime was committed...clear that this was a complete fraud...now Barr needs to prosecute them all."

Vote each and every one of them out.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Video carries more punch than text. It shouldn't, but it does. Having Mueller state aloud, on camera, what is in his report is a big deal.

I agree but can you point to any one particular clip that would be compelling to someone either vaguely aware of this investigation or who was on the fence?

The "liberal" media will play clips that support their narrative and the right wing media will simply do the same and play clips from Republicans hammering Mueller on things like partisan investigators.
 

HomerJS

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I agree but can you point to any one particular clip that would be compelling to someone either vaguely aware of this investigation or who was on the fence?

The "liberal" media will play clips that support their narrative and the right wing media will simply do the same and play clips from Republicans hammering Mueller on things like partisan investigators.
Trump trying to get Don McGahn to fire Mueller which is illegal, should do it. They are currently submitting a subpoena for Don McGahn. However to execute it impeachment inquiry needs to begin.
 

UNCjigga

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Dec 12, 2000
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I have to say there's at least two absolutely catastrophic things that have come out so far, so this has definitely exceeded my expectations.

The Judiciary Democrats did a really good job here.
Somebody tell the liberal media, because WaPo and MSNBC are painting this whole morning as a loss for Democrats and painting Mueller as someone who isn't as sharp as he once was.

I honestly don't understand how they were watching the same hearing...
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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In that vastly different time, one could more reasonably say that "the average person" got their news from network TV. In today's fragmented media landscape, those who are still getting their news primarily from network TV are the very least engaged in politics. What you presented may flicker across their screens, f-spy (skimo?) (I love your username), but they will not be paying strict attention enough to NOW, after all that has transpired, suddenly conclude that Trump needs to go while they simultaneously play candy crush or yell at their kids.

If they haven't by now, the coverage of these particular hearings isn't going to suddenly engage them. I wish this wasn't so, but I fear it is.

Mueller gave the Enemy of the People plenty of ordnance to unload on Trump, like this-

LIEU (D-CA): "The reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?

MUELLER: That is correct.

That lends a certain clarity previous statements lacked. It also puts the lie to Barr's exoneration of Trump wrt obstruction.
 

UNCjigga

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-sometimes-halting-mueller-parries-questions-in-highly-anticipated-congressional-hearing/2019/07/24/daf281d6-ae1d-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html

[Mueller] frequently asked lawmakers to repeat their questions. At times he said he could not hear them, sometimes asserting they were speaking too fast. In contrast to his inquisitors, Mueller spoke slowly, and on a few occasions seemed confused by lawmakers’ inquiries.
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Mueller said several times he was not familiar with some of the specifics of the investigation into Russia’s actions in 2016 and whether Trump obstructed justice.
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Former Obama adviser David Axelrod tweeted: “This is delicate to say, but Mueller, whom I deeply respect, has not publicly testified before Congress in at least six years. And he does not appear as sharp as he was then.”
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Before the hearing, current and former law enforcement officials who have worked with Mueller, 74, expressed concerns that he was stepping into a high-octane hearing that would be a tough test of his public demeanor — typically understated and technical. Mueller’s advisers had told committee staff before the hearing he did not plan to read sections of the report out loud, according to people familiar with the discussion.
 

brandonbull

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GOP: Mueller was not fired. Nothing wrong here

Mueller: Trump tried to get McGahn to fire Trump
Mueller: Attempting to obstruct justice is a crime.

Dems: We proved the 3 elements for obstruction.
Mueller: Going thru elements does not to mean I subscribe to what you're trying to prove through those elements.
 
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ivwshane

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-sometimes-halting-mueller-parries-questions-in-highly-anticipated-congressional-hearing/2019/07/24/daf281d6-ae1d-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html

[Mueller] frequently asked lawmakers to repeat their questions. At times he said he could not hear them, sometimes asserting they were speaking too fast. In contrast to his inquisitors, Mueller spoke slowly, and on a few occasions seemed confused by lawmakers’ inquiries.
...
Mueller said several times he was not familiar with some of the specifics of the investigation into Russia’s actions in 2016 and whether Trump obstructed justice.
...
Former Obama adviser David Axelrod tweeted: “This is delicate to say, but Mueller, whom I deeply respect, has not publicly testified before Congress in at least six years. And he does not appear as sharp as he was then.”
...
Before the hearing, current and former law enforcement officials who have worked with Mueller, 74, expressed concerns that he was stepping into a high-octane hearing that would be a tough test of his public demeanor — typically understated and technical. Mueller’s advisers had told committee staff before the hearing he did not plan to read sections of the report out loud, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Yeah, the whole point, according to dems, was to get Mueller to take the American people down the path toward impeachment. But because Mueller didn't even read a single thing he wrote out loud, it wasn't Mueller that walked the people down the path but instead it was the Democrats that did the story telling and quite frankly that wasn't good enough.
 
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dainthomas

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/a-sometimes-halting-mueller-parries-questions-in-highly-anticipated-congressional-hearing/2019/07/24/daf281d6-ae1d-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html

[Mueller] frequently asked lawmakers to repeat their questions. At times he said he could not hear them, sometimes asserting they were speaking too fast. In contrast to his inquisitors, Mueller spoke slowly, and on a few occasions seemed confused by lawmakers’ inquiries.
...
Mueller said several times he was not familiar with some of the specifics of the investigation into Russia’s actions in 2016 and whether Trump obstructed justice.
...
Former Obama adviser David Axelrod tweeted: “This is delicate to say, but Mueller, whom I deeply respect, has not publicly testified before Congress in at least six years. And he does not appear as sharp as he was then.”
...
Before the hearing, current and former law enforcement officials who have worked with Mueller, 74, expressed concerns that he was stepping into a high-octane hearing that would be a tough test of his public demeanor — typically understated and technical. Mueller’s advisers had told committee staff before the hearing he did not plan to read sections of the report out loud, according to people familiar with the discussion.

BS. The congresscritters sounded like auctioneers the way they were trying to cram as many soundbites as possible into their five minutes. I could barely understand them sometimes (listening on the radio).

Mueller is very deliberate and purposeful and he didn't want to say something wrong or contradict himself because he couldn't hear something in a long question clearly. He was very consistent and I don't believe contradicted himself at all, which isn't easy to do over a three hour period. The president can't do it over a three minute period.
 

Jhhnn

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Yeah, the whole point, according to dems, was to get Mueller to take the American people down the path toward impeachment. But because Mueller didn't even read a single thing he wrote out loud, it wasn't Mueller that walked the people down the path but instead it was the Democrats that did the story telling and quite frankly that wasn't good enough.

The day isn't even done & you're already claiming defeat.
 

zinfamous

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BS. The congresscritters sounded like auctioneers the way they were trying to cram as many soundbites as possible into their five minutes. I could barely understand them sometimes (listening on the radio).

Mueller is very deliberate and purposeful and he didn't want to say something wrong or contradict himself because he couldn't hear something in a long question clearly. He was very consistent and I don't believe contradicted himself at all, which isn't easy to do over a three hour period. The president can't do it over a three minute period.

yeah, I don't understand where those comments are coming from. The GOP lizard people were clearly asking deliberately convoluted questions with heavily negated structure, like "did you didn't not think that if you wouldn't have not done a thing..." with obvious intent to try and catch him in some sort of verbal trap so that they can get a cushy soundbite filtered off to the morning Fox yokels so that Fat Orange Syphilitic Baby would happily clap his way through tomorrow morning's pre-chewed apple sauce.

Most of them weren't even questions. I honestly had no idea what they were saying half the time. Mueller was always asking for clarity, or simply refused to respond to comments that never arrived at an actual point.
 

jackstar7

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Nunes just impugned the character of McCain.

Prediction: no one will call him on that.
 

ivwshane

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May 15, 2000
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The day isn't even done & you're already claiming defeat.

I'm giving my opinion on what I witnessed, that fact that you call it defeat says more about you than it does about me.

Unlike you, I don't have any ties or loyalty to the Democrat party, so my view is from a perspective unclouded by partisanship.

Maybe round two will be better but round one was, by Democrats own standards, a failure.
 

brandonbull

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Mueller has just walked back what he told Ted Lieu that he the president could have been charged with obstruction were it not for the OLC opinion: "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." Ouchy!
 

emperus

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Mueller has just walked back what he told Ted Lieu that he the president could have been charged with obstruction were it not for the OLC opinion: "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." Ouchy!

I always believed that's what he meant.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Mueller has just walked back what he told Ted Lieu that he the president could have been charged with obstruction were it not for the OLC opinion: "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." Ouchy!

Mueller said the Trump ordered documents to be falsified in order to obstruct a criminal investigation into him and his associates.

Talk about OUCH.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Mueller has just walked back what he told Ted Lieu that he the president could have been charged with obstruction were it not for the OLC opinion: "We did not reach a determination as to whether the president committed a crime." Ouchy!

The Republicans burned their own house down on themselves to protect the Criminal in Chief. You fail to note that a criminal determination was not made because of Presidential immunity. That does not mean they had no opinion on the matter but that they couldn't because of DOJ policy and nothing more. There is no vindication here, in fact this is a confirmation. Try as you might, the President committed obstruction and only because of his position. You'd be in jail right now and any of us peasants if we did the same.

The act determines factual guilt but unfortunately, there are no consequences- for now.
 

Maxima1

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You fail to note that a criminal determination was not made because of Presidential immunity.

Mueller had a choice here on what to say. He blew it. Barr literally handed him the opportunity to suggest a charging decision to the committee and expose Barr for not asking him why he wasn't making a charging decision when he turned in the report.
 
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