Predictions for the ranks of this series of consoles?

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PS3 plus Weee.

PS3 is $100 over Xbox, but includes a blu-ray player and they say it will play "15,000" existing PS1 + PS2 games.

Actually, to get the blu-ray version with HDMI it is $200 over the Xbox360. The $500 PS3 is gimped and does not come with HDMI, wifi, or memory card slots and (so far) looks like it isn't upgradeable.

and thats todays pricing. 360 will surely undercut sony with a lower price on release. maybe a 250 dollar difference.. if they have balls a 300 dollar difference lol that would be insane.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Fraggable
In terms of sales, definitely Wii>Xbox 360>PS3. Who wants to pay what the PS3 is gonna cost when the X360 is just about the same thing?

I was really kind of inpressed by the Wii presentation today. I still don't like the name though. I want to play tennis on it really bad. I'd buy it just for that one game.

A $199 console at launch? I like that. And I heard that you'll be able to download games for older Nintendo consoles, though I haven't run across any info on that recently.

yea download old games. but its not free. i'm not sure thats much of a selling point since we all have snes/nes/n64 emulators that work great. and well. everyone i know that has those emu's really never play em.. its just fun to know that you can, not that you ever really will lol

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
The 360 not powerful enough to compete with the PS3? Just how much real world 'horsepower' difference do you think there is between the two systems?

No, if the 360 loses it will certainly be because of something OTHER than system power.

BTW, OP, are you asking which one will sell the most or which will be most profitable? I think in order of profitability :

Wii > 360 > PS3

kojima of mgs4 already publically stated the 360 could do mgs4 so the difference isn't so great. cross platform game development is already the norm anyways.
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/16/kojima-mgs4-demo-could-run-on-the-xbox-360/

 

[Looney]

I don't think price is going to be as big of a factor as people think it is. The demographic the companies have been aiming for has been the 18-35 age, and $500-600 for a system really isn't that bad... especially from what we saw last holiday with the 360s on ebay. They'll sell their units, it'll simply mean people will buy them from the store for retail price rather than on ebay for inflated prices. What's the point in selling it for $400 like the 360, lose tremendous profits, to only have a supply issue and have ebayers make all the money.

Then a year later (1.5yrs from now), when more people have HDTVs (i think it's safe to say that the majority of people who buy TVs now are buying HDTVs), and the PS3 drops in price, more people will buy the system.

So my prediction is that the PS3 will be on top still. They've been dominating the market since the PS1, and a lot of those PS1 and PS2 players are now adults in the 20s, who can afford $600 for a system. They're also the generation who are technologically minded, so HDTVs and high tech toys are the norm for them. They're use to paying hundreds of dollars for a video card, cellphone, PDAs, computers that need upgrading every year or 2, etc, etc.

The 360 will eat a big chunk out of the PS3 market though, simply because they've had a year start and because it's so significantly cheaper... and there's a good chance the price will probably drop by another $100 or so to compete with the PS3.

As for the Wii... now that's a good question. I think consoles are one of those things that won't do good simply because of a cheaper price. Gaming has a stigma of being immature entertainment, and both teenagers and adults don't want to think they're playing with a kids toy. Yeah yeah, some of you guys are going to say you don't care what people think of you, but this is going to affect the sales. The name, the controller, much of the games, and even the price, all points to this being targetted at kids.

Like it or not, consoles have become a sort of status or luxury symbol (amongst gamers at least). So my prediction is that the Wii comes in a distant third again.

 

[Czar]

If the Wii will have the games then it will win simply on the price. They have shown that when competing with the DS against the PSP. The PSP looks better, more powerful, bigger screen, everything! Still the DS is cheaper and has alot better games. It still sells alot and many many psp owners like myself are asking why did we buy this instead of the DS.

The PS3 will sell because of the name Playstation. They will have Singstar, enough said.

The 360 is hot now because people dont have a choice about what next gen console to buy, there is only one. When the Wii and the PS3 will come out the 360 sales will probably drop alot for 6 months to a year.


I can see parents buy their kids the Wii because of the activity involved and the price.
I can see old time gamers buy the Wii because its fresh look on gaming.

I hope the Wii wins, we need something fresh.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Wii, 360, PS3

Cell was a dumber move than the Emotion Engine in PS2 - at least the EE still allowed for the PS2 to have that 1 year advantage. With Nintendo no longer playing the same game I don't think they can lose. Microsoft can gain ground on Sony now because Sony won't have the influence to keep titles exclusive, and their hardware certainly isn't superior enough (some would argue it isn't superior at all) to keep titles exclusive - the fact that GTA4 isn't going to be exclusive to PS3 for any period of time is a perfect example of how the tide is turning.

Sony has yet to show me they can bring something unique and valuable to the gaming scene. The waited and copied XBox Live, they waited and copied the Wii's controller - and both attempts are 2nd rate. They can't even innovate off of 10+ year old improvised technology, their controller is exactly the same.

 

[Eddieo]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PS3 plus Weee.

PS3 is $100 over Xbox, but includes a blu-ray player and they say it will play "15,000" existing PS1 + PS2 games.

Actually, to get the blu-ray version with HDMI it is $200 over the Xbox360. The $500 PS3 is gimped and does not come with HDMI, wifi, or memory card slots and (so far) looks like it isn't upgradeable.

Neither does the $400 xbox 360. Basically you get everything the xbox 360 has plus blue ray for $100 more.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Wii, 360, PS3

Cell was a dumber move than the Emotion Engine in PS2 - at least the EE still allowed for the PS2 to have that 1 year advantage. With Nintendo no longer playing the same game I don't think they can lose. Microsoft can gain ground on Sony now because Sony won't have the influence to keep titles exclusive, and their hardware certainly isn't superior enough (some would argue it isn't superior at all) to keep titles exclusive - the fact that GTA4 isn't going to be exclusive to PS3 for any period of time is a perfect example of how the tide is turning.

Sony has yet to show me they can bring something unique and valuable to the gaming scene. The waited and copied XBox Live, they waited and copied the Wii's controller - and both attempts are 2nd rate. They can't even innovate off of 10+ year old improvised technology, their controller is exactly the same.

heh emotion engine.

wonder what happened to their babbling about the cell becoming insane internet distributed super computing gaming insanity?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Eddieo

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PS3 plus Weee.

PS3 is $100 over Xbox, but includes a blu-ray player and they say it will play "15,000" existing PS1 + PS2 games.

Actually, to get the blu-ray version with HDMI it is $200 over the Xbox360. The $500 PS3 is gimped and does not come with HDMI, wifi, or memory card slots and (so far) looks like it isn't upgradeable.

Neither does the $400 xbox 360. Basically you get everything the xbox 360 has plus blue ray for $100 more.

well..for the premium system is 600 dollars.
and you can expect the 360 to drop in price, its been out for a while now. and it'll have been out even longer by the time ps3 releases. most people just really don't care about bluray, its value is questionable. hddvd stand alone players are already 499 on amazon, and its just going to drop and drop, and as with dvd, it should drop much faster and farther than console prices. i think gamers would rather get a cost cut 360 + wii than a ps3

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: Eddieo

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
PS3 plus Weee.

PS3 is $100 over Xbox, but includes a blu-ray player and they say it will play "15,000" existing PS1 + PS2 games.

Actually, to get the blu-ray version with HDMI it is $200 over the Xbox360. The $500 PS3 is gimped and does not come with HDMI, wifi, or memory card slots and (so far) looks like it isn't upgradeable.

Neither does the $400 xbox 360. Basically you get everything the xbox 360 has plus blue ray for $200 more.

FIXED, you can't play movies without HDMI

Also I really think Wii is going to put a serious hurting on PS3, Half the lauch titles are designed for an older audience (red steel, Metroid 3, Twilight Princess, Project Hammer) I think Wii, is going to have incredible game play and really seperate itself from the other consoles due to its control scheme. Even though PS3 has gyroscopes, they implemented it in an extremely poor fashion, the fact that you can hold the Wii remote in any direction makes it better. I also believe that Nintedo is not just aiming at 18-35 like the other consoles, they are aiming at the audience of 6-60, they want everyone to enjoy playing video games, not just one demographic. Their site is perfect IMHO, I love the fact that there is a philosophy section explaining what they are doing, it's like Reggie said in the press conference, I want to thank the people that said good things about the name change the day we released it... both of you. They know the name sounds a little dumb, but they are treating their customers inteligently, and have pretty much come up with a large scale industrial design project. I can't wait for the Wii, it's going to change the way we play.

 

[Hugenstein]

I will definitely being purchasing a Wii. The games seem like they will be a lot more interactive and fun with the Wii controllers. There seems to be a lot of potential, particularly with sports games for the system. My parents might even play with the Wii.

 

[0roo0roo]

yea, think about it, by the time the hd format war is won, a video player will probably cost the same as a dvd player does now. 100 bucks? so for most people waiting for a winner is the way to go, and including bluray is no real added value.

atleast we can self service computers. 600 dollar ps3 going bad on you would be something awful.

 

[Suture]

Personally, I don't see either of the 3 systems failing. However, for the first time in a while, I think Nintendo will move up. I still don't see huge leaps and bounds from the XBox 360 or the PS3. I like the innovation of the Wii, which I will definitely be purchasing. I am normally an "All 3" consoles guy, but I think the Wii will hold me over this generation.

The XBox 360 has titles like Halo 3, Forza 2, Oblivion, etc. Forza 2 alone makes me want to consider an XBox 360, as I have become disenchanted with the GT franchise. I've never been a fan of Halo, as I just don't like shooters on consoles, but I know it's a huge system seller. I came really close to picking up a 360 last week... I just couldn't find one in stock, lol.

As for the PS3, I really think Sony has stumbled somewhat so far. But, it is Sony. They have the resources to fix it. It's going to be successful. People will pay. My favorite PS games have been the original GT1 (and GT2), God of War, the and Virtua Fighter series, but I got bored of my PS2 quick. My tastes have changed and as soon as I'm done with Oblivion on my PC I think I'll be done with PC games for a while.

It's Wii for me... and FFS, give me a Kid Icarus 2!

 

[DivideBYZero]

Man, that 360 HD DVD unit looks crap.

Nintendo will wait to see which wins and add a unit to support the winner.

 

[Kev]

I heard before that the Wii would come with a bunch of free old games, is that still true?

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
Man, that 360 HD DVD unit looks crap.

Nintendo will wait to see which wins and add a unit to support the winner.

Agreed

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Kev
I heard before that the Wii would come with a bunch of free old games, is that still true?

Yep. Virtual Console will support NES, Super NES, N64, Turbo GFX and Sega Genesis. Other new content will be downloadable ala Live Arcade etc.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Kev
I heard before that the Wii would come with a bunch of free old games, is that still true?

Yep. Virtual Console will support NES, Super NES, N64, Turbo GFX and Sega Genesis. Other new content will be downloadable ala Live Arcade etc.

will you have to pay for them?

 

[Koing]

PS3 > Xbox360 > Wii

PS3 will over take Xbox360 sales within 30months after release, ATOT will still declare the PS3 crap and the masses are stupid.

GTHD FTW!

Koing

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Kev
I heard before that the Wii would come with a bunch of free old games, is that still true?

Yep. Virtual Console will support NES, Super NES, N64, Turbo GFX and Sega Genesis. Other new content will be downloadable ala Live Arcade etc.

will you have to pay for them?

Yes.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I just find hilarity in knowing that some people are excited about beta testing Sony's blu-ray drives in their $600 consoles.

I'll get a PS3 at some point but you better believe I'm waiting this one out until I know everything is okay with the system/drive. This goes back to my woes with the original PS (playing upside down ftw!) and the PS2 (disc read errors!) at launch and it's the same reason I waited on a 360.

 

[ElFenix]

how many people have hdmi hdtvs to even take advantage of the ps3?

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: BDawg
PS3 >>/ />> XBOX360 > Wii

i agree with the afroementioned assertion

 

[mugs]

I'd like to see Nintendo be more successful this time around, but older gamers all have an image of Nintendo that they make games for kids. If they can convince them otherwise they could be very successful with Wii. The retro-games thing is a good step toward that. Older gamers love retro games.

 

[Crescent13]

PS3 > Xbox360 > wee