Prescott- AT calls it a flop??

[videoclone]

I still dont think it will stand up to WindowsXP64 with an Athlon64 + 64bit games it will get smoked ... even now its being smoked in 32bit games.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: videoclone
I still dont think it will stand up to WindowsXP64 with an Athlon64 + 64bit games it will get smoked ... even now its being smoked in 32bit games.

In 2005...

 

[videoclone]

Nope windows64 comes out this year and unreal4 is a 64 bit game

 

[fxsts]

Originally posted by: lookin4dlz
That will be cool pastorjay! I want to upgrade to a HT chip, but will now wait a couple of weeks to see how well the Prescott's do. I'd hate to buy a Northwood because of a couple of naysayers, then find out the Prescott's a jewel.

I am on the same boat. Having high hope for Prescott, I have been holding off on buying a 800Mhz FSB P4 w/ HT and sticking with my 533Mhz FSB P4 2.4Ghz@2.9Ghz, but........ Hmmmmm......I am going to wait for another couple of weeks until I see some OCing results on Prescott.

 

[peonyu]

Bah, I was actually thinking of picking one of these up to mess with OCing of it if it came out atleast a little bit faster than a NW...But its not even faster than a NW. Even at 4GHZ it would only be a little bit faster, and the AMD 64 is kicking its behind more or less all the time.

Prescott is definately a flop imo, Intel only made it for the GHZ rating rather than performance...

 

[SilverBack]

peonyu
I think you may have missed the point. If you read Anand's Prescott's Little Secret.
You would see that the Prescott is faster than the Northwoods at higher clock speeds. Since the Northwood is limited to clock unless under extreme cooling solutions the Prescott will shine as the clock increases, that's it's advantage.

I'm really hoping that the initial retail P4E's will do 4GHz. A 4GHz Northwood is hard to come by, I don't think a P4E will be as nearly as hard.
I'm going to get a 3.2e to play with just to see.

 

[Soulkeeper]

yeah i'll probably get the retail version just cause i've never bought a retail intel processor
i wanna see what kinda box they give me....
hehe

 

[iguanaman]

"I'm really hoping that the initial retail P4E's will do 4GHz. A 4GHz Northwood is hard to come by, I don't think a P4E will be as nearly as hard.
I'm going to get a 3.2e to play with just to see."

According to overclockers.com, a P4E will use 130+ watts at 4.0ghz without any voltage boost. I hope your power supply/mobo can handle that wattage...not to mention your cooling system! That's going to be one warm little chip...should put the old t-bird to shame.

 

[SilverBack]

I have an Antec 430 Truepower which should work fine.
My cooling setup and motherboard

 

[tallman45]

The price cuts really make this a difficult decision now. At $430 for a 3400+ vs $220 for a 3.0C is the 5% better gaming performance of the AMD and the likely better (30%) 64bit gains when a 64bit and apps become available worth $200 (50%) more than a 3.0C ?

It would seem that for the same $$ for a 3400+, one could build a 3.0C rig, oc it a bunch and get themselves a 74gb Raptor still for the price of the 3400+ alone.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: tallman45
The price cuts really make this a difficult decision now. At $430 for a 3400+ vs $220 for a 3.0C is the 5% better gaming performance of the AMD and the likely better (30%) 64bit gains when a 64bit and apps become available worth $200 (50%) more than a 3.0C ?

It would seem that for the same $$ for a 3400+, one could build a 3.0C rig, oc it a bunch and get themselves a 74gb Raptor still for the price of the 3400+ alone.

Why are you comparing the 3400+ to a 3.0 C?

 

[JeremiahTheGreat]

yes.. that comparison is strange indeed.

Logic would dictate that you compare a P4 3.0C with an A64 3000+ ..

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK

Originally posted by: JustStarting
...Who's buying??

not me

If THUGSROOK says he won't buy it you know that means something!

But as of right now I would buy a A64 3000+ if I needed to upgrade.

-Por

 

[jpetermann]

But as of right now I would buy a A64 3000+ if I needed to upgrade.

-Por

You may be right. But for now, I think we ought to wait and see what happens whenwe get the retail chips. I have a 3000+ and am totally impressed with it. But if this Prescott scales as high as what is imagined, we might be liking it VERY much. Bottom line is, we will not know until we get them...

PJ

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Freejack2
What a piece of crap this processor is, I think I'll stick to my Northy at 2.8ghz or look into an Athlon 64.
This hunk of junk doesn't overclock, runs hot as hell, and slow as crap. Maybe if this thing could do a guaranteed 3.6ghz overclock it might be worthwhile but Hardocp and Toms hardware said it was a piece of crap overclocker.

I'm gonna save this post of yours and post it again 6 months from now to remind you how stupid it was today.

And just what did he post that was wrong? There are no retail chips to evaluate yet. It would fit Intel's history for the first couple of retail batches to overclock like crap. It costs more and is slower clock for clock (At current clockspeeds offered) overall when compared to the Northwood.

If you're buying a chip today or tomorrow, you'd be stupid NOT to buy a Northwood vs this. Northwood is a sure bet. Prescott, who knows?

 

[chsh1ca]

Guys, Prescott is just the P4A in reality. There were threads like this with the P4A 1.4GHz and so forth. I remember laughing at people who bought a P4A 1.8GHz because it was so blazing fast, only to find out the T-Bird 1.2GHz owners already had that level of performance for quite a while.

 

[MadRat]

If you want any 3GHz+ P4 right now its foolish to buy Northwood. Prescott is way better overall than Northwood.

All this negative fever towards Prescott is unwarranted.

 

[redpriest_]

I don't see why it's foolish at all. 3.4 ghz is the highest processor you are going to get on socket 478 - you're just not going to be able to get any higher than that as far as official speed grades from Intel. The 3.4 Northwood is out, but the 3.2 prescott isn't - Since we've already established 1) Prescott doesn't overclock any better than Northwood, 2) Prescott is hotter to cool than a Northwood, 3) Prescott doesn't perform any better than Northwood, why not take advantage of the end of life Northwood's pricing? I mean, you buy a Prescott at 3.4 and you're not going to get any higher than that - you're going to have to ditch it along with your video card when it comes to upgrading to the next motherboard series - not to mention which you either go DDR2 or DDR (akin to the i875/i865 - the high end motherboard is going to support DDR2 and the low end DDR only - supposedly). That's $1300 you're pissing down the drain BTW if you have high end parts ($400 processor, $200 motherboard, $400 vid card, ~$200-$300 for new memory).

 

[txxxx]

Originally posted by: Cat
What the f? It's a flop now, but is built for later. Did you not understand that?

They say that with every Intel chip.

Have to be running at high clockspeed's to compete, and extra level 2 cache to make up for the branch mispredictions and re-processing of ops etc...

 

[MadRat]

People labelling it a flop forget the huge increase in the cache system. I'll give up 15W for an extra 512K of L2 cache AND out-of-the-box 4GHz potential any day of the week...

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: MadRat
People labelling it a flop forget the huge increase in the cache system. I'll give up 15W for an extra 512K of L2 cache AND out-of-the-box 4GHz potential any day of the week...

air cooling cant afford to give up 15W.
4ghz may be too hot to run for some ppl.
besides, 4ghz (OCed) results are yet to come ~ thats what we are waiting for ATM.
its just that so far things dont look so good, especially for OCers.

 

[SilverBack]

THUGSROOK
There are a couple places online that are declaring the P4e a great overclocker. ( including anandtech ) Unfortunately the heat will be a problem on air cooling, but it already is on northwoods anyway at the same high speeds. I think we'll see some over 4ghz OC's regularly as soon as people get thier hands on them. That can't be said for the Northwoods.
I'm looking forward to getting mine just to see.

 

[redpriest_]

The vast majority of the samples out there can't even hit 3.8 ghz, let alone 4.0 ghz.

 

[SilverBack]

On air
You have to admit that water cooling for any overclocks at a reaonable price is the way to go.
The temps on the Pressies won't be noticeable on water as they are on air.

 

[lookin4dlz]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK

its just that so far things dont look so good, especially for OCers.

Don't see why. With the engineering samples achieving 4GHz w/o voltage increase and on air, I wonder how much the temps would increase? If I recall on my 1.8a, there wasn't a big increase in temp when I achieved the max overclock on default settings. I think at max voltage my chip increased temp by 6% (30C to 32C) to get a 53% overclock & if I recall at default voltage the temp didn't increase to get whatever overclock I got.

If the Prescott can get to 4GHz on default settings but unlike the Northwood the temperature does increase by say 10%, then we have 49.5C at idle. Is that too hot? I don't know, but I remember reading that the Prescott starts to slow down the chip at 73C. Okay, so X-bit is reporting that at default settings the idle temperature of a Prescott increases 36% under full load (compared to 60% for a Northwood). So now we're up to 67C on default settings and have a 4GHz chip. Is that too hot? I don't know AMD chips seem to run pretty hot & people cope with that.

So what, I have a Northwood that hits 4GHz. That's cool, but at least one of the Prescott reviews stated that about 3.6GHz the Prescott become faster than the Northwood for the same clock speed. So, the 4GHz Prescott will probably be faster than the 4GHz Northwood - running current software. Once optimized software appears, the Prescott above 3.6GHz will have an even greater advantage.

But wait, you also get these Ginsu knives, err... better hyperthreading now plus PCI express & DDRII when the new Intel chipsets come out in a couple of months. I have a feeling that by the middle of summer, a Prescott with the new chipset will be THE system to have.