Prescott launch...Feb 2nd **Update** Pentium 4 SSE3 "Prescott" Extreme Edition Unlikely

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
that 2.8A (533) is looking pretty good to me

I'd spend the extra $15 to get HT (and the 800 MHz FSB) on the 2.8 GHz Prescott. We'll have to see what kind of speed benefit they have over the northwoods, the best deal may just be on Northwoods as they go out of production.

 

[THUGSROOK]

somehow, somewhere, sometime, (i dont know when) i became the "budget" OCer

anyways, you can count on me to be testing one of those "cheaper" chips

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Well, it appears, that the p4 EE is more expensive then the Presscott. But, if that is so, wouldnt the p4 ee have to be faster then the presscott to be profitable, because who would buy a ee if a presscott is cheaper and faster? and if the ee is faster then the presscott, intel is in trouble, because the athlon 64fx beats down the ee no problem, and presscott is slower then that? Come on intel, more competition so the prices go down. I sure hope my prediction is wrong.

You must be checking wrong benchmarks on the net because except for videogames p4 ee makes Athlon fx look like a little girl. digit-life, tom's hardware, anandtech all showed ee is the beast the only reason no one "likes" it is because the price is 999 but considering you can easily overclock 3.2ee to 3.6 and they are coming out with 3.4ee right off the bat it will be the processor to have if money is no concern to a customer

there is no question that in the long run once athlon reaches 2.6ghz + it will be very fast but right now overall perfomance is maybe +5-8% faster than p4 3.2ghz (its true that in games that lead reaches 15-20%)

but in some applications its not as fast either and considering the price is 400 large you have to be insane to buy it now so intel is definately not in trouble

 

[Sid59]

intel is on the dime

 

[Acanthus]

any insight on my ?

 

[RalfHutter]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
is the new EE .13 or .09?

furthermore, is it 1MB L2, and 2MB L3, or 512k L2 and 2MB L3?

From this Intel page :

.13µm

L3: 2MB, L2: 512KB, L1: 8KB

 

[Xernex]

I'm a little confused by this 2.8A (533) model. With a 533 FSB and no HT, does this mean it would run on a 845 mobo? If so i didnt think they were releasing such a thing. If its not then who in the hell would buy one of these if you can get the 2.8 model with HT and 800mhz FSB for only a bit more?

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Xernex
I'm a little confused by this 2.8A (533) model. With a 533 FSB and no HT, does this mean it would run on a 845 mobo? If so i didnt think they were releasing such a thing. If its not then who in the hell would buy one of these if you can get the 2.8 model with HT and 800mhz FSB for only a bit more?

It would offer 845G based mobo users an upgrade path to a processor. Since "most" of those boards don't support HT and don't have 800mhz FSB support either.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Well, it appears, that the p4 EE is more expensive then the Presscott. But, if that is so, wouldnt the p4 ee have to be faster then the presscott to be profitable, because who would buy a ee if a presscott is cheaper and faster? and if the ee is faster then the presscott, intel is in trouble, because the athlon 64fx beats down the ee no problem, and presscott is slower then that? Come on intel, more competition so the prices go down. I sure hope my prediction is wrong.

You must be checking wrong benchmarks on the net because except for videogames p4 ee makes Athlon fx look like a little girl. digit-life, tom's hardware, anandtech all showed ee is the beast the only reason no one "likes" it is because the price is 999 but considering you can easily overclock 3.2ee to 3.6 and they are coming out with 3.4ee right off the bat it will be the processor to have if money is no concern to a customer

there is no question that in the long run once athlon reaches 2.6ghz + it will be very fast but right now overall perfomance is maybe +5-8% faster than p4 3.2ghz (its true that in games that lead reaches 15-20%)

but in some applications its not as fast either and considering the price is 400 large you have to be insane to buy it now so intel is definately not in trouble

I don't know what benchmarks you are reading, but the ones I saw from Anandtech had the FX winning everything except content creation and divx rendering. Toms had an EE oc'ed to 3.6, but no OC'ed FX, so I ignored those for the most part, but if you looked at the 3.2EE to the FX, the story was the same. This was beaten to death in another thread, so live with it, the FX wins.

 

[gsellis]

Sorry, I had to post this... I saw "it's all Greek to me" and had to laugh. It probably would be much more fun to say, "It's all Geek to me."

G-D-R

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: dguy6789
Well, it appears, that the p4 EE is more expensive then the Presscott. But, if that is so, wouldnt the p4 ee have to be faster then the presscott to be profitable, because who would buy a ee if a presscott is cheaper and faster? and if the ee is faster then the presscott, intel is in trouble, because the athlon 64fx beats down the ee no problem, and presscott is slower then that? Come on intel, more competition so the prices go down. I sure hope my prediction is wrong.

You must be checking wrong benchmarks on the net because except for videogames p4 ee makes Athlon fx look like a little girl. digit-life, tom's hardware, anandtech all showed ee is the beast the only reason no one "likes" it is because the price is 999 but considering you can easily overclock 3.2ee to 3.6 and they are coming out with 3.4ee right off the bat it will be the processor to have if money is no concern to a customer

there is no question that in the long run once athlon reaches 2.6ghz + it will be very fast but right now overall perfomance is maybe +5-8% faster than p4 3.2ghz (its true that in games that lead reaches 15-20%)

but in some applications its not as fast either and considering the price is 400 large you have to be insane to buy it now so intel is definately not in trouble

I don't know what benchmarks you are reading, but the ones I saw from Anandtech had the FX winning everything except content creation and divx rendering. Toms had an EE oc'ed to 3.6, but no OC'ed FX, so I ignored those for the most part, but if you looked at the 3.2EE to the FX, the story was the same. This was beaten to death in another thread, so live with it, the FX wins.

I wonder what will happen when the intel fans learn that content creation winstone 2004 shows the AMD chips on top..... I still don't get why a lot of people feel excited about a big win for the P4 rendering low quality video and say "it destroys the competition"
When the quality settings are set to high, filters or some post-processing routines are applied, the lead shrinks greately..... I will those people enjoy their 100+ fps rendering video at fastest settings.... I am happy with my barely real time numbers at high quality.

Regarding the prescott, wait and see..... I have no doubt it will perform better than northwood, but I don't know how much. Better than AMD64? I say no, but again wait and see. Bring it on!

 

[yhelothar]

so much for the people predicting prescott will have the IPC of an athlon thunderbird...

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
so much for the people predicting prescott will have the IPC of an athlon thunderbird...

Who said that???

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
so much for the people predicting prescott will have the IPC of an athlon thunderbird...

Who said that???

I think you're needed in this thread

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
so much for the people predicting prescott will have the IPC of an athlon thunderbird...

Who said that???

I think you're needed in this thread

<loudspeaker> Paging Wingznut and the Intel Emergency Response team, this is not a test... Man your battlestations, you have an uphill battle ahead <loudspeaker>

 

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
<loudspeaker> Paging Wingznut and the Intel Emergency Response team, this is not a test... Man your battlestations, you have an uphill battle ahead <loudspeaker>

I don't think Wingznut blindly defends Intel...he clears up rumors and misconceptions. Don't try to make him out to be an Intel cheerleader.

On the other hand, I wonder if Intel will come out with an EE version of the Prescott...

 

[Ionizer86]

I think Intel does plan to make a Prescott EE.

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: FishTankX
...I guess that mean the Athlon64 is on it's way down, then.

You must be some kind of anti-Intel person.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
<loudspeaker> Paging Wingznut and the Intel Emergency Response team, this is not a test... Man your battlestations, you have an uphill battle ahead <loudspeaker>

I don't think Wingznut blindly defends Intel...he clears up rumors and misconceptions. Don't try to make him out to be an Intel cheerleader.

On the other hand, I wonder if Intel will come out with an EE version of the Prescott...

I don't think Raynor meant anything by that... He's just saying that if anyone were to try and promote the Celeron as some sort of powerhouse around here, then they'd have a pretty rough time. (And I'd certainly have to agree with him. )

However, NFS4's attempt at baiting me was a bit uncalled for. I just asked a simple question, because I don't recall anyone... not even the silly zealots... saying that the Prescott would be relative to an Athlon in the IPC dept.

Whatever. *shrugs*

 

[bunnyfubbles]

If you think about there really is no practical purpose for the P4EE except to retain a performance crown or at least keep up. The 2MB of L3 cache really helps out in games which is where the A64 FX really shines. But the L2 cache really is faster than the L3 so the Prescotts should make up some ground, extra L3 cache might actually be a waste and offer less improvement than it would for a Northwood making it even more overkill but I wouldn't be suprised, it isn't like the current P4EEs are meant to be widely selling parts, just super niche CPUs for those that have to have the fastest of the fast.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
<loudspeaker> Paging Wingznut and the Intel Emergency Response team, this is not a test... Man your battlestations, you have an uphill battle ahead <loudspeaker>

I don't think Wingznut blindly defends Intel...he clears up rumors and misconceptions. Don't try to make him out to be an Intel cheerleader.

On the other hand, I wonder if Intel will come out with an EE version of the Prescott...

I don't think Raynor meant anything by that... He's just saying that if anyone were to try and promote the Celeron as some sort of powerhouse around here, then they'd have a pretty rough time. (And I'd certainly have to agree with him. )

However, NFS4's attempt at baiting me was a bit uncalled for. I just asked a simple question, because I don't recall anyone... not even the silly zealots... saying that the Prescott would be relative to an Athlon in the IPC dept.

Whatever. *shrugs*

Both NSF4 and I were just poking harmlessly teasing Wingznuts, (well, I assume on NSF4's part, anyway), nothing serious was meant by it. I have a great deal of respect for Wingznuts since he's always jumping into threads and calling out the people who pull information out of thin air (or off rumour sites) even though he knows he'll get flamed for it.

Sure the Celeron is a performance dog, but all that really matters for Intel and AMD is making money as I said in my earlier post. Let me ask you this, if you could sell a BMW with a 90hp engine and no torque for the same price as an Accord (and sell more than the Accord), wouldn't you do it?

Now back to the topic at hand, Prescott processors for cheap

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
<loudspeaker> Paging Wingznut and the Intel Emergency Response team, this is not a test... Man your battlestations, you have an uphill battle ahead <loudspeaker>

I don't think Wingznut blindly defends Intel...he clears up rumors and misconceptions. Don't try to make him out to be an Intel cheerleader.

On the other hand, I wonder if Intel will come out with an EE version of the Prescott...

I don't think Raynor meant anything by that... He's just saying that if anyone were to try and promote the Celeron as some sort of powerhouse around here, then they'd have a pretty rough time. (And I'd certainly have to agree with him. )

However, NFS4's attempt at baiting me was a bit uncalled for. I just asked a simple question, because I don't recall anyone... not even the silly zealots... saying that the Prescott would be relative to an Athlon in the IPC dept.

Whatever. *shrugs*

Now come on. You know that I don't mean anything against you Wingz. It was a comical suggestion that you usually respond to with a smirk or a smile.

 

[Eug]

Prescott launch.....................................Feb 2nd

Hmmmm... IBM's G5 PPC 970 2.5 GHz will be out by then, and of course, the fast Opterons are already here. 2004 is going to be an interesting year...

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Now come on. You know that I don't mean anything against you Wingz. It was a comical suggestion that you usually respond to with a smirk or a smile.

Bah, you're right. *smirk*




"When you're right, you're right. And you... You're always right!" --Barfalamew the Mog.

(Name the movie the quote was from... It's an easy one.)

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: NFS4
Now come on. You know that I don't mean anything against you Wingz. It was a comical suggestion that you usually respond to with a smirk or a smile.

Bah, you're right. *smirk*




"When you're right, you're right. And you... You're always right!" --Barfalamew the Mog.

(Name the movie the quote was from... It's an easy one.)

Spaceballs!!??