President and first Lady test positive for Covid-19 (Trumps)

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Does the availability of testing change that situation at all? Can you not just test someone who is in that situation and thus know if they are infectious or not?

Or is the test not reliable until someone has had it for at least 2 weeks?
Hicks was tested Negative before getting on a plane to go to a rally which is why she was allowed to board. She was showing symptoms on the way back And tested positive.
 
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There is a phase where the viral load is below the limit of detection for molecular (PCR) tests, but this is only 2-3 days after exposure.

This is why tests are sometimes repeated within a couple days in critical situations.

Antibody tests are post-infection and body's response has kicked in and built up. They are not as sensitive as well.

So that would imply that everyone who has been in close contact with Trump should now be tested. Quarentining would only be necessary if they test positive or if, for some reason, there aren't enough tests available to test everyone (which I assume is the general problem that is why the quarantine rule exists for most of us).
 

Muse

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Dig, this isn't going to help his polling any! It just makes him look like a bigger fool than he already has.
 

piokos

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Not really seeing how lying helps him here. He's behind in polls and just doing nothing till the election doesn't really seem like a good strategy to change things up.
I'm not sure how the election is regulated. Wouldn't it be possible to delay (or invalidate) the election because one of the candidates wasn't able to take part in the final part of campaign?

E.g. in some countries it is controlled how much time candidates get in public media - each one gets free time for public TV ads and a seat in all debates - even if he is a complete moron*. So if there were just 2 candidates and one of them wouldn't be able to reach the voters because of illness, I'm pretty sure some countries would postpone the election.
I'm not sure if that would make any sense in US though, since formally you're not choosing the president.

*) which leads to some really interesting candidates. Like the guy from the photo.
Everyone watching the presidential debate in Poland (2015) had to hear what he thinks about abortion, nuclear power plants and genetics.
And you may think he's just a beefy lawyer or maybe an action movie star who immigrated from Austria.
But he is actually a bouncer.
 

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I'm not sure how the election is regulated. Wouldn't it be possible to delay (or invalidate) the election because one of the candidates wasn't able to take part in the final part of campaign?

E.g. in some countries it is controlled how much time candidates get in public media - each one gets free time for public TV ads and a seat in all debates - even if he is a complete moron*. So if there were just 2 candidates and one of them wouldn't be able to reach the voters because of illness, I'm pretty sure some countries would postpone the election.
I'm not sure if that would make any sense in US though, since formally you're not choosing the president.

*) which leads to some really interesting candidates. Like the guy from the photo.
Everyone watching the presidential debate in Poland (2015) had to hear what he thinks about abortion, nuclear power plants and genetics.
And you may think he's just a beefy lawyer or maybe an action movie star who immigrated from Austria.
But he is actually a bouncer.
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC the US election dates are pretty much set in stone and cannot be delayed for pretty much any reason.
 
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I have to say I get irritated with the sanctimony and virtue-signalling that some commentors (not necessarily meaning this forum) display - going on about how they wish Trump well despite political differences, or, much worse, sternly telling off anyone who doesn't take the news as seriously as they do. I don't care about the well-being of Trump and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Morally he deserves everything he gets, and practically it would be a net reduction of human suffering if he were gone.

I do, however, think it would be annoying if he were to die in office, and benefit from the JFK-effect. A narcissist like him needs to experience losing an election. On a similar basis I was sad when Thatcher died - it just emphasised how she got to die of old age, politically undefeated.
 
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He's lying. He gets to duck the town hall debate and pretend he fought off the virus and it was nothing. I'm calling bullshit.

yuo, I strongly suspect this.
He will show no signs of being sick and the day after the debate he will have a miraculous recovery because good genes
 
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I'm not sure how the election is regulated. Wouldn't it be possible to delay (or invalidate) the election because one of the candidates wasn't able to take part in the final part of campaign?

E.g. in some countries it is controlled how much time candidates get in public media - each one gets free time for public TV ads and a seat in all debates - even if he is a complete moron*. So if there were just 2 candidates and one of them wouldn't be able to reach the voters because of illness, I'm pretty sure some countries would postpone the election.
I'm not sure if that would make any sense in US though, since formally you're not choosing the president.

*) which leads to some really interesting candidates. Like the guy from the photo.
Everyone watching the presidential debate in Poland (2015) had to hear what he thinks about abortion, nuclear power plants and genetics.
And you may think he's just a beefy lawyer or maybe an action movie star who immigrated from Austria.
But he is actually a bouncer.
View attachment 30794
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC the US election dates are pretty much set in stone and cannot be delayed for pretty much any reason.

Yup no changing the process.
 

twjr

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I have to say I get irritated with the sanctimony and virtue-signalling that some commentors (not necessarily meaning this forum) display - going on about how they wish Trump well despite political differences, or, much worse, sternly telling off anyone who doesn't take the news as seriously as they do. I don't care about the well-being of Trump and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Morally he deserves everything he gets, and practically it would be a net reduction of human suffering if he were gone.

I do, however, think it would be annoying if he were to die in office, and benefit from the JFK-effect. A narcissist like him needs to experience losing an election. On a similar basis I was sad when Thatcher died - it just emphasised how she got to die of old age, politically undefeated.
Yeah, the fucker deserves every bit of suffering that comes his way. I'd prefer he survives and suffers the ravages of long-Covid rather the shuffling off this mortal coil without any punishment.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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I have to say I get irritated with the sanctimony and virtue-signalling that some commentors (not necessarily meaning this forum) display - going on about how they wish Trump well despite political differences, or, much worse, sternly telling off anyone who doesn't take the news as seriously as they do. I don't care about the well-being of Trump and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. Morally he deserves everything he gets, and practically it would be a net reduction of human suffering if he were gone.

I do, however, think it would be annoying if he were to die in office, and benefit from the JFK-effect. A narcissist like him needs to experience losing an election. On a similar basis I was sad when Thatcher died - it just emphasised how she got to die of old age, politically undefeated.

Well do you want him to die of old age or not? I myself wouldn't mind seeing him go out the same way my cousin in law did, being on a vent for 3-4 weeks in a hopeless fight against COVID. Since Trump got a lot of good people killed in horrible deaths only fair that he should suffer the same fate. Too bad he's probably lying.

We cannot, and will not, support the open wishing of death on ANYONE on this forum.

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So that would imply that everyone who has been in close contact with Trump should now be tested. Quarentining would only be necessary if they test positive or if, for some reason, there aren't enough tests available to test everyone (which I assume is the general problem that is why the quarantine rule exists for most of us).

No, they should still quarantine for a period as you don't know where they are in the infection cycle and this can vary. Negative tests can clear them early from quarantine however.

They need to use good tests also, not the shitty Abbott tests with their high false negative rate.
She may have been + earlier, but the test showed a bad result.
 
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ecogen

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Well do you want him to die of old age or not? I myself wouldn't mind seeing him go out the same way my cousin in law did, being on a vent for 3-4 weeks in a hopeless fight against COVID. Since Trump got a lot of good people killed in horrible deaths only fair that he should suffer the same fate. Too bad he's probably lying.

My personal favourite scenario has him dying in prison.

We cannot support the wishing of death on anyone here, for any reason.

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Bitek

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Yeah, if you test positive with rt-PCR, then you are infectious. It doesn't mean you are going to develop severe symptoms, but you are now a travelling bag of viral particles distributing that shit like Johnny Virus Seed.

Yeppers. Young people (eg Hicks) in particular are more likely to be asymptomatic, but still infectious.
 

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Well do you want him to die of old age or not? I myself wouldn't mind seeing him go out the same way my cousin in law did, being on a vent for 3-4 weeks in a hopeless fight against COVID. Since Trump got a lot of good people killed in horrible deaths only fair that he should suffer the same fate. Too bad he's probably lying.

Not sure I care what happens to him personally and health-wise, either way. I just want him, and all who support him, to experience being comprehensively politically-defeated. Ideally he'd also end up broke, and have to get a menial job, I guess.
 

twjr

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This Simpson’s screencap is all over Twitter now. I know trolls are gonna troll, but this is a huge national security threat now so forgive me if I don’t share your glee.

Also, take a look at the market futures right now. Might have to halt trading tomorrow morning.



I got smashed on the ASX today. Market tanked once the news got out. Not really bothered about the money given what the news was.
 

cytg111

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Most likely, yes. Problem is I don't see how the alternative of doing nothing is better. I'd rather have a 10% chance of improving my position through the debates, even knowing that there's a 90% chance of making it worse, than a 0% chance of improving my position by doing nothing.
Thats cause you are a player of games, like games of incomplete information where you have to estimate the most probable winning move again and again. Trump is one trick pony.
 
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