President and first Lady test positive for Covid-19 (Trumps)

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Pretty much all medical tests (others as well) are tuned to produce more false positives than negatives - meaning: you get false indicator that you found something you were looking for. That's because this lets you focus on that sample and repeat the test.

There are practical consequences for COVID and travel. In many countries you need a recent negative test to get on board a plane. So you need to be sure the negative results are as accurate as possible, because this a negative test won't be repeated. Positive test means you're grounded and you have time to take another one.

It's a bit like in statistics, where you have a hypothesis and you don't test if it's true. You're testing whether you can reject the hypothesis or not.

He can easily maintain the core voters, he can get some sympathetic ones as well. And he can become a hero of the undecided "COVID is not serious" when he gets cured literally days before the election day.

If he remains in good health, he'll be super active online - on Twitter, in video interviews and speeches.
If everyone else can do their office jobs and meetings remotely, he can as well.

It depends on how the test works. I don't know that kind of test Trump had. A rapid test is an antigen test which may be cross-reactive to other things and is going to have its cut off values low enough to avoid as many false negatives as possible. However, RT-PCR is the gold standard, and I don't think they would have reported on a rapid test result as such unless it was confirmed via RT-PCR. That test works by binding to a specific sequence of the viruses genetic material and amplifying it. So you're really not going to have a positive test unless that specific genetic sequence is present. If it is chosen well, nothing other than the target genome will have that sequence, so you get a highly specific test. So a false positive would indicate contamination or presence of dead virus. Since he's regularly tested, it couldn't be a residual positive for dead viral fragments after having cleared an infection.
 

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You know, I just realized how stupid one thing Trump has been saying actually is. Always, when asked if Trump was personally worried or personally concerned about catching Covid Trump would say "NO, WE ARE TESTED ALL THE TIME". Well Donald, getting tested and testing negative doesn't mean you are immune. Doesn't mean you can forget about masks or social distancing. I really believe that Donald Trump thought to be tested was to have protection.
 

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Just two weeks ago we were talking at work about him pulling a false flag before the election and now here it is.

Not really seeing how lying helps him here. He's behind in polls and just doing nothing till the election doesn't really seem like a good strategy to change things up.
 

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You know, I just realized how stupid one thing Trump has been saying actually is. Always, when asked if Trump was personally worried or personally concerned about catching Covid Trump would say "NO, WE ARE TESTED ALL THE TIME". Well Donald, getting tested and testing negative doesn't mean you are immune. Doesn't mean you can forget about masks or social distancing. I really believe that Donald Trump thought to be tested was to have protection.

I guess, to be fair, one could say that if everyone around you is being regularly tested, you can feel a bit more confident that you are less likely to catch it from them. But that's clearly not an infallible guarantee, as we are seeing.
 
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So... what does this do for the SCOTUS process? Barrett was at the White House and met with all of them. Does she now head to Capitol Hill and meet with senators and attend hearings?
 

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The ultimate cherry on top would be Mitch getting this and dropping dead tbh.

Please remember your humanity. We cannot support the wishing of death on ANYONE here.

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So... what does this do for the SCOTUS process? Barrett was at the White House and met with all of them. Does she now head to Capitol Hill and meet with senators and attend hearings?

If following standards that most of us are required to live by these days at work, then she and everyone in contact with Trump and Hicks are required to quarantine for at east 2 weeks.
 
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If following standards that most of us are required to live by these days at work, then she and everyone in contact with Trump and Hicks are required to quarantine for at east 2 weeks.

Does the availability of testing change that situation at all? Can you not just test someone who is in that situation and thus know if they are infectious or not?

Or is the test not reliable until someone has had it for at least 2 weeks?
 

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Does the availability of testing change that situation at all? Can you not just test someone who is in that situation and thus know if they are infectious or not?

Or is the test not reliable until someone has had it for at least 2 weeks?

There is a phase where the viral load is below the limit of detection for molecular (PCR) tests, but this is only 2-3 days after exposure.

This is why tests are sometimes repeated within a couple days in critical situations.

Antibody tests are post-infection and body's response has kicked in and built up. They are not as sensitive as well.
 

Muse

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With his anti-mask agenda, shaming anyone in the WH that does wear one, this could go through the staff, cabinet, etc., like the wildfires in California.

FLOTUS is also COVID positive.

Will he break quarantine? Can he stand 14 days of isolation without rallies, or golf.
Shit, I been doin' this since middle of March. Can you imagine how much sympathy I have for the big fat blowhard having to quarantine? Can you imagine?????
 

zinfamous

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There is a phase where the viral load is below the limit of detection for molecular (PCR) tests, but this is only 2-3 days after exposure.

This is why tests are sometimes repeated within a couple days in critical situations.

Antibody tests are post-infection and body's response has kicked in and built up. They are not as sensitive as well.

Yeah, if you test positive with rt-PCR, then you are infectious. It doesn't mean you are going to develop severe symptoms, but you are now a travelling bag of viral particles distributing that shit like Johnny Virus Seed.
 

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Cause having the debates would be worse.

Yeah, I don't think that a town hall debate would go well for Trump, especially if they put in the new rules where they cut off someone's microphone if the candidates break the rules and start interrupting their opponent.

Judging from the first debate appearance, I could easily see Trump starting arguments with undecided Florida voters who ask him a question that he doesn't like.

It might work out better for Trump to call out sick to this one, and try to collect the sympathy votes from his base instead.
 

Muse

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All I know now is that every time you see him without a mask between now and Election Day, he’s reminding everyone that he’s helping to spread this disease.
Oh, well, a question we should all ask ourselves now is just how many people has he already passed this on to? He's not exactly a conscientious person.
 
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