President and first Lady test positive for Covid-19 (Trumps)

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No, you give oxygen if the patient is having trouble breathing, which BTW was exactly what was reported last night, that he was having trouble breathing.

It isn't at all common to have breathing problems so soon after diagnosis. This is not a good sign.

What I am saying if my Father got an ambulance ride to the hospital for Covid, I would assume they would provide O2, same with the ER I would assume a 70+ year old man would immediately get O2 provided there is a Covid positive and he’s at the hospital for whatever reason.
As I said earlier I find it really strange the Presidents handlers won’t admit this.
 

Texashiker

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Stopped reading when they claimed Trump had not been spied on by the obama admin. that was in fact true.

Its really something when you can shatter your own world records.

I do not even know what to say about your post. From the link "Trump has concocted a series of conspiracy theories about Obama spying on his campaign, " Trump was spied on by obama admin.


Here you go. Yes those grants were given. Yes States had inventory. Then Swine flu, H1N1 and Ebola. Stock pikes deleted. Obama admin asked for more money to fund stock piles. Republicon House and Senate said no. Do your research and not just take talking points from other partially informed people who stop once they feel they have enough information to support their point and ignore the inconvenience of reality. You feel informed, but you’re only half fool. Try going all the way next time, maybe it’s not your schooling that let you down, maybe it your ability to go all the way.

This is not a GOP or democrat issue. Funds had been cut in the years following 9/11.

it is not trumps fault, or GOP fault that hospitals are run like a business.

It is however the governments fault companies like 3M were allowed to move to China. When we needed the supplies they could not be found.
 

Bumrush99

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Here you go. Yes those grants were given. Yes States had inventory. Then Swine flu, H1N1 and Ebola. Stock pikes deleted. Obama admin asked for more money to fund stock piles. Republicon House and Senate said no. Do your research and not just take talking points from other partially informed people who stop once they feel they have enough information to support their point and ignore the inconvenience of reality. You feel informed, but you’re only half fool. Try going all the way next time, maybe it’s not your schooling that let you down, maybe it your ability to go all the way.
When will you understand that Trump and GOP cultists are disinterested in the facts or truth? These slimey assholes live in a world where they actually believe their own lies- to the point where those lies turn in to "facts"

Stop arguing with facts. You're better off watching paint dry.
 
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woolfe9998

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Oddly similar to what happened with Boris Johnson. That escalated farily rapidly - first he was doing well isolating and 'working from home', then he was in hospital 'as a precautionary measure', then he was given supplemental oxygen 'but not on a ventilator' then he was moved into intensive care. But he did recover with no obvious after-effects other than some probably overdue weight-loss. It also seemed as if he learned something from the experience, and seemed to take the virus more seriously afterwards. (I'm not fully convinced Trump is capable of learning from experience).

Didn't know much about the details in regards to Johnson, so I looked it up.

https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...-johnsons-battle-with-coronavirus-830747.html

Johnson didn't go to the hospital until 9 days after he first became symptomatic. Depending on which timeline you adhere to, Trump was sent either within 12 hours or perhaps up to about 2 days after diagnosis.
 

Grooveriding

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Apple vs Oranges comparison. Anyway, wish fold would stop responding to TH. I have him on ignore but keep seeing that he is posting when he's quoted. I know it's just a quibble, but the number of replies to his posts are just nuts.

I started a post saying the same, two very different viruses, then stopped as it's obviously just trolling.

This is a common behaviour I see with Trump supporters; when he does yet another major fuckup, or more bad news for him - they resort to trolling.

Trump supporters live in a fake world filled with Trump's lies. There are no facts supporting their beliefs, so they can't have legitimate discourse. So when things get bad for him, like now, they seem to reflexively revert to 'triggering the libs.' Some sort of self soothing, defensive mechanism where a successful trolling amounts to a cogent argument.

Maybe it's just the Fox feedback loop. So accustomed to any of Trump's fuckups quickly being buried in whataboutisms and both sides garbage, they do it themselves now, without needing Fox to stimulate them to.
 

woolfe9998

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What I am saying if my Father got an ambulance ride to the hospital for Covid, I would assume they would provide O2, same with the ER I would assume a 70+ year old man would immediately get O2 provided there is a Covid positive and he’s at the hospital for whatever reason.
As I said earlier I find it really strange the Presidents handlers won’t admit this.

I know what you're saying. And I'm saying that he has been given oxygen as needed. His own doctor said this morning "he has not needed oxygen today." He was reported last night as having trouble breathing. This was not merely precautionary. They gave it to him because he was short of breath.
 

pmv

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Didn't know much about the details in regards to Johnson, so I looked it up.

https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...-johnsons-battle-with-coronavirus-830747.html

Johnson didn't go to the hospital until 9 days after he first became symptomatic. Depending on which timeline you adhere to, Trump was sent either within 12 hours or perhaps up to about 2 days after diagnosis.


Yeah, as I remember it he started off just isolating (in Number Ten) and working via video links etc. At some point he moved into hospital. Sounds as if either Trump was in a worse condition or they are super cautious when it comes to Presidents (probably considered harder to replace than Prime Ministers, who are essentially supposed to be just 'first among equals' among all the other ministers).

Main thing that reminded me was the discussion about 'oxygen' - there was some confusion, IIRC, about the distinction between 'supplemental oxygen' and being on a ventilator.
 

woolfe9998

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Yeah, as I remember it he started off just isolating (in Number Ten) and working via video links etc. At some point he moved into hospital. Sounds as if either Trump was in a worse condition or they are super cautious when it comes to Presidents (probably considered harder to replace than Prime Ministers, who are essentially supposed to be just 'first among equals' among all the other ministers).

Main thing that reminded me was the discussion about 'oxygen' - there was some confusion, IIRC, about the distinction between 'supplemental oxygen' and being on a ventilator.

Yes, Johnson had a period of mild symptoms for about a week before he was admitted. This is typical, even in severe cases, even in cases which ultimately cause death. Trump doesn't seem to have had a period of mild symptoms at all.

The oxygen given to Johnson, and Trump so far, is external. Not a ventilator. Yet. But Johnson didn't get it until he went to the hospital, after more than a week of having COVID.
 
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Stopped reading when they claimed Trump had not been spied on by the obama admin. that was in fact true.



I do not even know what to say about your post. From the link "Trump has concocted a series of conspiracy theories about Obama spying on his campaign, " Trump was spied on by obama admin.




This is not a GOP or democrat issue. Funds had been cut in the years following 9/11.

it is not trumps fault, or GOP fault that hospitals are run like a business.

It is however the governments fault companies like 3M were allowed to move to China. When we needed the supplies they could not be found.

Why are you the only poster in this thread talking about Russia investigation.
How does that relate to the President visibly ignoring health experts advice and his hospitalization?

Go here and share your thoughts

 

Grey_Beard

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This is not a GOP or democrat issue. Funds had been cut in the years following 9/11.

It does not matter if funds were cut. The interesting thing about stock piles is that once they are set up if they are not used they do not require additional funding. Prove where the stock piles went and how the funding was inadequate. If you refuse, then your points are anecdotal and disingenuous.

it is not trumps fault, or GOP fault that hospitals are run like a business.

There is no hospital on this planet, whether government run or private business that stock piles supplies. That is the role of government. Seems your interest in less government has consequences that you refuse to accept. The fault here is in the inability for folks, like you, who vote against your best interests in realizing that this would go awry. I do not understand why my wages do not change while I vote for politicians who gut laws that promote fair wages. Not the voters fault though. Those damn politicians. When someone want to establish those laws, SOCIALIST!

It is however the governments fault companies like 3M were allowed to move to China. When we needed the supplies they could not be found.

Again you refuse to show an understanding of economics, specifically capitalism. If the foreign region is the best place to do manufacturing, then they will seek that regardless of the “laws” in place. You think because we opened our borders up to trade with places like Mexico and China that is the reason we have a service economy? Try again. I gave you an example of what your boy did with Carrier. Guess what you ignored that those jobs still went to Mexico because it was best for the shareholders. Even after the DPA allows the executive to bring that production back to the US. Did you boy do that? Show us where that happened and not just in your imaginary world.

Nothing like someone punching above their weight class then complaining that the concussions are causing problems. You are unwilling to take any perspective but your own which is just not fully informed, but instead fooly informed.
 
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I'm 100000 percent certain that if Trump gets better before the election he will claim that now that he is immune from Covid and that Biden isn't, he's the safer and stronger choice. Guaranteed.

I agree, he also will claim it is not a big deal anyone can easily get over it.
 

Bumrush99

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It does not matter if funds were cut. The interesting thing about stock piles is that once they are set up if they are not used they do not require additional funding. Prove where the stock piles went and how the funding was inadequate. If you refuse, then your points are anecdotal and disingenuous.



There is no hospital on this planet, whether government run or private business that stock piles supplies. That is the role of government. Seems your interest in less government has consequences that you refuse to accept. The fault here is in the inability for folks, like you, who vote against your best interests in realizing that this would go awry. I do not understand why my wages do not change while I vote for politicians who gut laws that promote fair wages. Not the voters fault though. Those damn politicians. When someone want to establish those laws, SOCIALIST!



Again you refuse to show an understanding of economics, specifically capitalism. If the foreign region is the best place to do manufacturing, then they will seek that regardless of the “laws” in place. You think because we opened our borders up to trade with places like Mexico and China that is the reason we have a service economy? Try again. I gave you an example of what your boy did with Carrier. Guess what you ignored that those jobs still went to Mexico because it was best for the shareholders. Even after the DPA allows the executive to bring that production back to the US. Did you boy do that? Show us where that happened and not just in your imaginary world.

Nothing like someone punching above their weight class then complaining that the concussions are causing problems. You are unwilling to take any perspective but your own which is just not fully informed, but instead fooly informed.
Or he knows he is lying and is being dishonest. Like most Trump nut lickers he doesn't care.
I agree, he also will claim it is not a big deal anyone can easily get over it.
No worse. He'll claim that if Biden gets it he would die.
 

Ajay

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If he didn't give a sh!t about COVID till now, just wait until he recovers.
While I do not wish him any harm, a short stint in the hospital with a quick recovery will insure that he is convinced that Covid is not a big deal and that only sheep are dying from it, the chosen ones are okay.
 

ch33zw1z

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While I do not wish him any harm, a short stint in the hospital with a quick recovery will insure that he is convinced that Covid is not a big deal and that only sheep are dying from it, the chosen ones are okay.

I agree, best case scenario, pathological liar in chief survives after near death xp, changes his bullshit tune
 
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