President Barack Obama to Make Historic Speech to America?s Students

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Thread over. If only people like Cad and Spidey would suddenly have one of those hollywood epiphanies and realize they wasted their whole life being a miserable paranoid psuedoracist.

lol, because if you don't like obama you're a racist.

I still have big problems with the way the lesson plan read and that it was so bad to begin with they had to change it. That was the problem all along and it's still pretty creepy.

And I couldn't be happier or more successful in every way with my life. I absolutely love it.

 

[Xellos2099]

What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Now you're changing the subject. Nobody's claiming there weren't all sorts of negative responses to the activities of the Bush administration. That has zero to do with this story. It is the reaction to this specific event, an innocuous "study hard and take responsibility for your own success" speech, that is so far over the top it defies any rational explanation. I don't even think one can explain it as the usual knee-jerk frothing from the lunatic fringe. Lacking anything better, I'll stick with my theory.

The subject is the left's opposition to speeches GOP POTUS's made at schools, right? Or did I miss something? Were you not in America in 2001 when Bush Jr was touring schools after NCLB? Did you not watch the news?

You're not seriously attempting to equate the left's reaction to that with the current one, are you? That would require a significant distortion of history.

Hard to judge equal. The biggest reactions were after Bush Sr's 1991 speech (of which I was a looney misguided Democrat who protested it) and Bush Jr's speeches to schools after NCLB. If you deny THAT outrage, youre seriously lying to yourself.

and after just a few minutes ago reading Obama's speech, it is clear what myself and most of us have been saying in this thread: its not an issue. In fact, it was very good.

They are nowhere even remotely close to equal. Not even in the same ballpark, and you know it. Face it, the right has gone completely nuts in this case. Batshit crazy.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Thread over. If only people like Cad ...

You fail at reading...

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
NCLB was all about policy. That was clear from the start to everybody. This does not have the appearance of a policy speech at all. Apples to oranges.

no no no you misunderstand. The subject is POTUS speeches to schools (or so the OP says). Thats all *I* was commenting on. Of course the speeches were different. All speeches usually are.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Thread over. If only people like Cad and Spidey would suddenly have one of those hollywood epiphanies and realize they wasted their whole life being a miserable paranoid psuedoracist.

lol, because if you don't like obama you're a racist.

I still have big problems with the way the lesson plan read and that it was so bad to begin with they had to change it. That was the problem all along and it's still pretty creepy.

And I couldn't be happier or more successful in every way with my life. I absolutely love it.

Dont mix up the speech and the lesson plan afterward, spidey. The lesson plan is the child of department of education, not Obama.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Now you're changing the subject. Nobody's claiming there weren't all sorts of negative responses to the activities of the Bush administration. That has zero to do with this story. It is the reaction to this specific event, an innocuous "study hard and take responsibility for your own success" speech, that is so far over the top it defies any rational explanation. I don't even think one can explain it as the usual knee-jerk frothing from the lunatic fringe. Lacking anything better, I'll stick with my theory.

The subject is the left's opposition to speeches GOP POTUS's made at schools, right? Or did I miss something? Were you not in America in 2001 when Bush Jr was touring schools after NCLB? Did you not watch the news?

You're not seriously attempting to equate the left's reaction to that with the current one, are you? That would require a significant distortion of history.

Hard to judge equal. The biggest reactions were after Bush Sr's 1991 speech (of which I was a looney misguided Democrat who protested it) and Bush Jr's speeches to schools after NCLB. If you deny THAT outrage, youre seriously lying to yourself.

and after just a few minutes ago reading Obama's speech, it is clear what myself and most of us have been saying in this thread: its not an issue. In fact, it was very good.

They are nowhere even remotely close to equal. Not even in the same ballpark, and you know it. Face it, the right has gone completely nuts in this case. Batshit crazy.

Fine we agree to disagree. I just remember the batshit crazy Democrats I was involved with at Bush's 1991 speech and the media attention around it.

Fair enough...I know you like chastising the right whenever you can, and this is a good time I suppose. Have fun

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Fine we agree to disagree. I just remember the batshit crazy Democrats I was involved with at Bush's 1991 speech and the media attention around it.

Fair enough...I know you like chastising the right whenever you can, and this is a good time I suppose. Have fun

Well there are plenty of quotes from the time. By all means go find me a corresponding quote from a major Democratic Party official that is in any way similar to the chair of the Republican party in Florida when he said:

President Obama has turned to American?s children to spread his liberal lies, indoctrinating American?s youngest children before they have a chance to decide for themselves [through an invasive abuse of power]

If you can find similar statements from Democratic Party officials, then I'll agree with you. (and even that's being nice, as you know as well as I do the sheer volume of crazy here from the right.) If you can't, then you should admit as much.

 

[Slew Foot]

I read through the speech. Now, I think Obama is tossing the country under the bus as much as the next sane individual, but that speech is about as non offensive as you can get. Study hard, listen to your parents and teachers, blah blah. I particularly like the following line:

"I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work ? that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you're not going to be any of those things. "

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
"I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work ? that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you're not going to be any of those things. "

"No, you can't."

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

so single parent family's only start with the irresposible father? you seem to be forgeting it takes 2 to make a baby. why can't the girl say no? get on birth control?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah. I don't really have a problem with a speech to students. I entered this conversation only due to the appearance of politics being played - which I pointed out. It really boils down to 1 of 2 things. It's either innocent(as suggested by the BHO lappers) and the people around BHO and the NEA are just incompetent OR it really was a political deal and they got called on it so they'll back off. Like I said - I'm just glad some parents are paying attention(regardless of their history)

And where did you notice this appearance of politics?

CADsortaGUY, I see you've missed my last post. Care to answer it?

Are you not paying attention? It seems as though things have been changed regarding the lesson plan and etc - thus the points above. If you or anyone else can't see how that could be seen as political you need to take your blinders off.

Also, Spidey seemed to answer your post.

No, I'm not paying attention. Though, I'd figured you'd avoid my difficult questions, as you might get your foot caught in your mouth again.

 

[sunzt]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
"I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work ? that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you're not going to be any of those things. "

"No, you can't."

But what would this country be without more Tia Tequila's and Heidi Spencers getting rich with our excessive free time? What kind of place would that be and why can't I be like them?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Thread over. If only people like Cad and Spidey would suddenly have one of those hollywood epiphanies and realize they wasted their whole life being a miserable paranoid psuedoracist.

lol, because if you don't like obama you're a racist.

I still have big problems with the way the lesson plan read and that it was so bad to begin with they had to change it. That was the problem all along and it's still pretty creepy.

And I couldn't be happier or more successful in every way with my life. I absolutely love it.

Dont mix up the speech and the lesson plan afterward, spidey. The lesson plan is the child of department of education, not Obama.

Oh so who appointed the secretary of Education? If Obama did't like the lesson plan, he could've stop it with one phone call.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Thread over. If only people like Cad and Spidey would suddenly have one of those hollywood epiphanies and realize they wasted their whole life being a miserable paranoid psuedoracist.

lol, because if you don't like obama you're a racist.

I still have big problems with the way the lesson plan read and that it was so bad to begin with they had to change it. That was the problem all along and it's still pretty creepy.

And I couldn't be happier or more successful in every way with my life. I absolutely love it.

Dont mix up the speech and the lesson plan afterward, spidey. The lesson plan is the child of department of education, not Obama.

Oh so who appointed the secretary of Education? If Obama did't like the lesson plan, he could've stop it with one phone call.

*cough*

You are very confused.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

Heh, yeah there is nothing historical and nothing wrong with the speech.

What's historical is the way department of education asked schools around the country to do those "lesson plans' for the speech, and the way they ask how Obama inspires and how the event is historical, is nothing but Obama worshipping.

I know Obama supporters out there is gonna dismiss what people like me have to say. And I know not many people in the US have gone through any brain washing, leader worshipping education system like I have. But this type of things is exactly what every undemocractic government do in their education system.

Now I don't know if Obama and his people did this intentionally or out of stupidity. But people really should be smarter and say something about it. If your kids thinks Obama/or the president is "inspirational", when he makes a speech, it is "historical", so what would they say next time the president makes a speech invading a country that has not attacked US. Hey, he is inspirational, he must be right, no need to question. Whatever he has to say is historical, it must be a great and righteous event.

I agree with you Obama/President should speak out about education, parenting and many more things. But let the people judge if he is inspirational or stupid, and don't let the department of education feed some divine image down the kid's throat.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

Heh, yeah there is nothing historical and nothing wrong with the speech.

What's historical is the way department of education asked schools around the country to do those "lesson plans' for the speech, and the way they ask how Obama inspires and how the event is historical, is nothing but Obama worshipping.

I know Obama supporters out there is gonna dismiss what people like me have to say. And I know not many people in the US have gone through any brain washing, leader worshipping education system like I have. But this type of things is exactly what every undemocractic government do in their education system.

Now I don't know if Obama and his people did this intentionally or out of stupidity. But people really should be smarter and say something about it. If your kids thinks Obama/or the president is "inspirational", when he makes a speech, it is "historical", so what would they say next time the president makes a speech invading a country that has not attacked US. Hey, he is inspirational, he must be right, no need to question. Whatever he has to say is historical, it must be a great and righteous event.

I agree with you Obama/President should speak out about education, parenting and many more things. But let the people judge if he is inspirational or stupid, and don't let the department of education feed some divine image down the kid's throat.

Pretty much. This is how dictators work. If this was a new thing for Obama or all the fucking shit surrounding him, not a big deal. It's that this is a CONSTANT string of behavior.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

Heh, yeah there is nothing historical and nothing wrong with the speech.

What's historical is the way department of education asked schools around the country to do those "lesson plans' for the speech, and the way they ask how Obama inspires and how the event is historical, is nothing but Obama worshipping.

I know Obama supporters out there is gonna dismiss what people like me have to say. And I know not many people in the US have gone through any brain washing, leader worshipping education system like I have. But this type of things is exactly what every undemocractic government do in their education system.

Now I don't know if Obama and his people did this intentionally or out of stupidity. But people really should be smarter and say something about it. If your kids thinks Obama/or the president is "inspirational", when he makes a speech, it is "historical", so what would they say next time the president makes a speech invading a country that has not attacked US. Hey, he is inspirational, he must be right, no need to question. Whatever he has to say is historical, it must be a great and righteous event.

I agree with you Obama/President should speak out about education, parenting and many more things. But let the people judge if he is inspirational or stupid, and don't let the department of education feed some divine image down the kid's throat.

Pretty much. This is how dictators work. If this was a new thing for Obama or all the fucking shit surrounding him, not a big deal. It's that this is a CONSTANT string of behavior.

Fail

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

Heh, yeah there is nothing historical and nothing wrong with the speech.

What's historical is the way department of education asked schools around the country to do those "lesson plans' for the speech, and the way they ask how Obama inspires and how the event is historical, is nothing but Obama worshipping.

I know Obama supporters out there is gonna dismiss what people like me have to say. And I know not many people in the US have gone through any brain washing, leader worshipping education system like I have. But this type of things is exactly what every undemocractic government do in their education system.

Now I don't know if Obama and his people did this intentionally or out of stupidity. But people really should be smarter and say something about it. If your kids thinks Obama/or the president is "inspirational", when he makes a speech, it is "historical", so what would they say next time the president makes a speech invading a country that has not attacked US. Hey, he is inspirational, he must be right, no need to question. Whatever he has to say is historical, it must be a great and righteous event.

I agree with you Obama/President should speak out about education, parenting and many more things. But let the people judge if he is inspirational or stupid, and don't let the department of education feed some divine image down the kid's throat.

Pretty much. This is how dictators work. If this was a new thing for Obama or all the fucking shit surrounding him, not a big deal. It's that this is a CONSTANT string of behavior.

oooh puulease....gag me with a communist spoon whydontcha!


edit: I can't believe Obama has the nerve to say such HORRIBLE things to our school kids!!

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world ? and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

that baby-eating marxist-fascist-pacifist-SOCIALIST-sadomasochist-communist-acupuncturist-exhibitionist-motorcyclist nazi pig!!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah. I don't really have a problem with a speech to students. I entered this conversation only due to the appearance of politics being played - which I pointed out. It really boils down to 1 of 2 things. It's either innocent(as suggested by the BHO lappers) and the people around BHO and the NEA are just incompetent OR it really was a political deal and they got called on it so they'll back off. Like I said - I'm just glad some parents are paying attention(regardless of their history)

And where did you notice this appearance of politics?

CADsortaGUY, I see you've missed my last post. Care to answer it?

Are you not paying attention? It seems as though things have been changed regarding the lesson plan and etc - thus the points above. If you or anyone else can't see how that could be seen as political you need to take your blinders off.

Also, Spidey seemed to answer your post.

No, I'm not paying attention. Though, I'd figured you'd avoid my difficult questions, as you might get your foot caught in your mouth again.

:laugh: difficult? nah- I've answered it - you just can't accept the reality of the situation. Meh, par for the course with the apologists...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Thread over. If only people like Cad and Spidey would suddenly have one of those hollywood epiphanies and realize they wasted their whole life being a miserable paranoid psuedoracist.

lol, because if you don't like obama you're a racist.

I still have big problems with the way the lesson plan read and that it was so bad to begin with they had to change it. That was the problem all along and it's still pretty creepy.

And I couldn't be happier or more successful in every way with my life. I absolutely love it.

Dont mix up the speech and the lesson plan afterward, spidey. The lesson plan is the child of department of education, not Obama.

And one would have to be naive to think that behind the scenes it was only the NEA. Now before the leftist twits get all pissy - no I doubt BHO himself was personally involved but it certainly wasn't only the NEA.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
What is soooooo... "historical" about this speech? And yeah after I read the speech, there is a nothing wrong with it, but there is also nothing special about it either.

Instead of making a speech to the students, maybe he should have made a speech about the responsibility of the parents, like how many single parents family started with irresponsible father?

Heh, yeah there is nothing historical and nothing wrong with the speech.

What's historical is the way department of education asked schools around the country to do those "lesson plans' for the speech, and the way they ask how Obama inspires and how the event is historical, is nothing but Obama worshipping.

I know Obama supporters out there is gonna dismiss what people like me have to say. And I know not many people in the US have gone through any brain washing, leader worshipping education system like I have. But this type of things is exactly what every undemocractic government do in their education system.

Now I don't know if Obama and his people did this intentionally or out of stupidity. But people really should be smarter and say something about it. If your kids thinks Obama/or the president is "inspirational", when he makes a speech, it is "historical", so what would they say next time the president makes a speech invading a country that has not attacked US. Hey, he is inspirational, he must be right, no need to question. Whatever he has to say is historical, it must be a great and righteous event.

I agree with you Obama/President should speak out about education, parenting and many more things. But let the people judge if he is inspirational or stupid, and don't let the department of education feed some divine image down the kid's throat.

Pretty much. This is how dictators work. If this was a new thing for Obama or all the fucking shit surrounding him, not a big deal. It's that this is a CONSTANT string of behavior.

Mr Obama's speech to US school children has been shown to be as the White House described. It is intended to say "work hard and take responsibility for your education". How can anyone be against the POTUS encouraging children to study hard, to attend and pay attention in their classes? And still for some people the speech only re-enforces their belief that he is a do-do head.

 

[OrByte]

Laura Bush Supports Obama? She's a Socialist too!!!

Laura Bush backs Obama on school speech
Mon Sep 7, 9:04 pm ET

WASHINGTON ? Former first lady Laura Bush on Monday expressed support for President Barack Obama's decision to speak to the nation's school children, saying it is "really important for everyone to respect the president of the United States."

In an interview with CNN, Mrs. Bush, a former school teacher, said, "There's a place for the president of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children" to stay in school. And she said parents and others also need to send that message.

Obama's planned remarks Tuesday to be broadcast by C-SPAN to many schools across the country has drawn protests from conservatives and some parents who said the president is trying to indoctrinate the nation's children. Some parents have said they plan to keep their children home from school because of the Obama speech.

"That's their right," Mrs. Bush said. "That certainly is the right of parents to choose what they want their children to hear in school."

"I also think it's also really important for everyone to respect the president of the United States," she said.

Obama in his speech will urge students to stay in school.

"What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country," Obama will tell the students, according to a transcript released Monday by the White House. "What you're learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future."

Mrs. Bush also decried the extreme political partisanship in the nation.

"We're polarized. ... A lot of people on the right, a lot of people on the left. We've seen that for the last eight years. ... We're still seeing it," she said.

Mrs. Bush praised Obama's performance under difficult circumstances. "He's tackled a lot to start with and that's made it difficult," she said.

She said her husband has refused to criticized Obama because he believes the new president "deserves the respect and no second guessing on the part of a former president."

Still, she said Vice President Dick Cheney, who has been sharply critical of Obama, "has every right to speak out. ... It's certainly Vice President Cheney's right to say whatever he wants to say."

Mrs. Bush was interviewed in Paris, where she was helping promote global literacy as part of a United Nations meeting.

 

[Modelworks]

Broward county Florida is making it mandatory for students to watch the speech.

http://www.browardschools.com/info/obama.htm

According to Superintendent James F. Notter, there have been several calls into the Superintendent?s Office suggesting and/or requesting that alternative space and activities be provided for those students wishing to ?opt out? of this activity.

?As one of the premier major school systems in America, we have consistently encouraged civics education in the broadest sense, e.g., Kids Voting, elected officials participating in Career Days, countywide broadcast of Inaugural address, etc.,? said Notter. ?Therefore, providing for a separation from this Address does not align with our practices and responsibility to provide a well rounded, quality education for all students. This is the first time an American President has spoken directly to students on the importance of education and the challenge to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for one?s learning.?

Even if you keep the kids home you cannot say that it is because of the speech, has to be kid was sick, etc.
He has opened a can of worms.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Broward county Florida is making it mandatory for students to watch the speech.

http://www.browardschools.com/info/obama.htm

According to Superintendent James F. Notter, there have been several calls into the Superintendent?s Office suggesting and/or requesting that alternative space and activities be provided for those students wishing to ?opt out? of this activity.

?As one of the premier major school systems in America, we have consistently encouraged civics education in the broadest sense, e.g., Kids Voting, elected officials participating in Career Days, countywide broadcast of Inaugural address, etc.,? said Notter. ?Therefore, providing for a separation from this Address does not align with our practices and responsibility to provide a well rounded, quality education for all students. This is the first time an American President has spoken directly to students on the importance of education and the challenge to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for one?s learning.?

Even if you keep the kids home you cannot say that it is because of the speech, has to be kid was sick, etc.
He has opened a can of worms.

I for one am glad. Every school has political leaders/figures/whatever come talk to them at one point or another, and they never make exceptions normally. Why they would alter this policy for the president of all people is beyond me.

I for one am glad there's at least one district that isn't giving in to the crazies.