Originally posted by: eskimospy
For an idea about what presidential speeches to school children have been like in the past, here's Ronald Reagan's speech to school kids in 1988. If Obama said half of the things our good friend Ronnie said (without a peep of opposition from the right I might add), the crazies would go absolutely berserk.
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Somewhere there are melancholy violins playing just for you, little man.
Fail. Kindly show us some evidence the left "screamed bloody murder" about this. All I see is one Congressman (though there were presumably some others) challenging the use of tax dollars for the speech. Not a word about pulling kids out of school, people blasting a speech they haven't heard because it's an evil plot to indoctrinate our children just like the Nazis, or any of the other mind-boggling lunacy we're seeing. Just a challenge on the use of tax dollars (and unless there was much more to it than a speech, I'd say even that complaint was misguided.)Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
"Screamed bloody murder"? A gross exaggeration, at best.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Fail. Kindly show us some evidence the left "screamed bloody murder" about this.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: rchiu
Have you guys actually read the lesson plan on the department of education website? Why do they have to ask how Obama "inspires" repeatedly if it's just "encourage kids to stay in school"?
Do you guys just ignore the fact or just trying to water down the facts to support Obama by any mean?
Seems fairly innocuous to me.
Edit: If in fact this message can do some good, and inner city minority students become inspired by Obama, then that's only a good thing. Hell, shouldn't Republicans love it if some inner city kids can break the poverty cycle, maybe NOT become pregnant or drug addicts at 15, finish school and make something of themselves? Think of how much that would do to end the welfare state we've built in the past 50 years.
Originally posted by: jpeyton
"Screamed bloody murder"? A gross exaggeration, at best.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
I don't even remember what Bush student speech you're talking about. Besides his memorable State of the Union addresses (nukular, terrer, Osama, 9/11), the country didn't pay attention to his speeches unless he made a memorable gaffe or miscalculation (Mission Accomplished!).
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JS80
lol "historic moment." what a megalomaniac.
Yes, because every US President for the past 100+ years hasn't advertised their speeches in the exact same way....
As with the Dems in Bush's first term, your faux outrage discredits your own cause. Like the boy who cried wolf, you should save your cries of alarm for more appropriate moments, so as to maintain some semblance of credibility.
Afraid my friend Google is letting me down. I found lots of links to right-wing sites repeating the same info in your link, namely that some Democrats criticized the use of tax dollars for what they called a political speech (again, a position I disagree with). What I didn't find was a single link showing any of the sorts of hysterics we're seeing here. Perhaps you'd have better luck at enlightening me.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Google is your friend, but it sounds like you've convinced yourself already. So be it.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Fail. Kindly show us some evidence the left "screamed bloody murder" about this.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
The rest of your rant I agree with.
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: rchiu
Have you guys actually read the lesson plan on the department of education website? Why do they have to ask how Obama "inspires" repeatedly if it's just "encourage kids to stay in school"?
Do you guys just ignore the fact or just trying to water down the facts to support Obama by any mean?
Seems fairly innocuous to me.
Edit: If in fact this message can do some good, and inner city minority students become inspired by Obama, then that's only a good thing. Hell, shouldn't Republicans love it if some inner city kids can break the poverty cycle, maybe NOT become pregnant or drug addicts at 15, finish school and make something of themselves? Think of how much that would do to end the welfare state we've built in the past 50 years.
Obama's policies are doing much more to keep these kids in poverty than any speech is going to do to help them get out. I wonder how much each of these kids will have to pay of his 10 trillion in deficit spending? He should tell them that if they try hard, and work hard, they will get taxed hard. Better to just keep being a lazy POS and collect your free food, free healthcare, and free housing. Let those stupid rich people work.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Afraid my friend Google is letting me down. I found lots of links to right-wing sites repeating the same info in your link, namely that some Democrats criticized the use of tax dollars for what they called a political speech (again, a position I disagree with). What I didn't find was a single link showing any of the sorts of hysterics we're seeing here. Perhaps you'd have better luck at enlightening me.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Google is your friend, but it sounds like you've convinced yourself already. So be it.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Fail. Kindly show us some evidence the left "screamed bloody murder" about this.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
The rest of your rant I agree with.
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah. I don't really have a problem with a speech to students. I entered this conversation only due to the appearance of politics being played - which I pointed out. It really boils down to 1 of 2 things. It's either innocent(as suggested by the BHO lappers) and the people around BHO and the NEA are just incompetent OR it really was a political deal and they got called on it so they'll back off. Like I said - I'm just glad some parents are paying attention(regardless of their history)
Forgive me for doubting what you "remember". Given the potential opportunity to attack the left as hypocrites, I'm betting the wing-nut blogs would be saturated with links to any significant "tantrums" by parents or anything else beyond what you've already shown. All you've been able to show is a few Democratic Congressmen objected to using tax dollars for what they saw as a political appearance. That isn't even remotely close to the reaction to Obama's speech.Originally posted by: blackangst1
I remember the left throwing tantrums about this speech...Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Afraid my friend Google is letting me down. I found lots of links to right-wing sites repeating the same info in your link, namely that some Democrats criticized the use of tax dollars for what they called a political speech (again, a position I disagree with). What I didn't find was a single link showing any of the sorts of hysterics we're seeing here. Perhaps you'd have better luck at enlightening me.Originally posted by: blackangst1
Google is your friend, but it sounds like you've convinced yourself already. So be it.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Fail. Kindly show us some evidence the left "screamed bloody murder" about this. All I see is one Congressman (though there were presumably some others) challenging the use of tax dollars for the speech. Not a word about pulling kids out of school, people blasting a speech they haven't heard because it's an evil plot to indoctrinate our children just like the Nazis, or any of the other mind-boggling lunacy we're seeing. Just a challenge on the use of tax dollars (and unless there was much more to it than a speech, I'd say even that complaint was misguided.)
This thread is truly amazing. I can't remember ever seeing such an asinine level of paranoia and deluded hysteria. It's not just the usual wing-nut media blowhards spreading their formulaic hate-mongering. It's the sheer number of ignorant fools who are lapping it up, chanting this absurd mantra in cult-like unison. As once panelist put it on Meet the Press this morning, "It's flat-out stupid." Indeed. Stupid and shameful.
I think I know what the real problem is, at least for many of these Chicken Littles. They're afraid the kids will listen to the speech without Dad standing by to scream at the TV, and they will see an intelligent, articulate man making perfectly rational and reasonable statements. They will see Obama isn't the maniacal fiend Dad constantly rants about, and they will maybe begin to realize Dad is crazed with partisan hatred. In short, the Chicken Littles are afraid their kids are going to realize Dad is a dipshit, and they may even begin to think for themselves. That's the kiss of death for any religious cult ... especially one based on irrational hatred and fear.
The rest of your rant I agree with.
Now you're changing the subject. Nobody's claiming there weren't all sorts of negative responses to the activities of the Bush administration. That has zero to do with this story. It is the reaction to this specific event, an innocuous "study hard and take responsibility for your own success" speech, that is so far over the top it defies any rational explanation. I don't even think one can explain it as the usual knee-jerk frothing from the lunatic fringe. Lacking anything better, I'll stick with my theory.and I think we all remember his speech at Yale which was filled qwith protesters...and there was a few (as in this outrage-a few) senators who opposed No Child Left Behind by Bush Jr, which was followed by talks at schools. Those are a few.
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Seems like some people are assuming this is going to be a propaganda piece. It's possible, but I'll withhold judgment. If I don't like he what he says I'll discuss it with my daughter afterward.
Besides, even if you absolutely hate what he has to say, isn't it better for your child to hear it and then be told "the truth" (whatever that may be) rather be sheltered from alternative viewpoints?
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Now you're changing the subject. Nobody's claiming there weren't all sorts of negative responses to the activities of the Bush administration. That has zero to do with this story. It is the reaction to this specific event, an innocuous "study hard and take responsibility for your own success" speech, that is so far over the top it defies any rational explanation. I don't even think one can explain it as the usual knee-jerk frothing from the lunatic fringe. Lacking anything better, I'll stick with my theory.
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yeah. I don't really have a problem with a speech to students. I entered this conversation only due to the appearance of politics being played - which I pointed out. It really boils down to 1 of 2 things. It's either innocent(as suggested by the BHO lappers) and the people around BHO and the NEA are just incompetent OR it really was a political deal and they got called on it so they'll back off. Like I said - I'm just glad some parents are paying attention(regardless of their history)
And where did you notice this appearance of politics?
CADsortaGUY, I see you've missed my last post. Care to answer it?
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Now you're changing the subject. Nobody's claiming there weren't all sorts of negative responses to the activities of the Bush administration. That has zero to do with this story. It is the reaction to this specific event, an innocuous "study hard and take responsibility for your own success" speech, that is so far over the top it defies any rational explanation. I don't even think one can explain it as the usual knee-jerk frothing from the lunatic fringe. Lacking anything better, I'll stick with my theory.
The subject is the left's opposition to speeches GOP POTUS's made at schools, right? Or did I miss something? Were you not in America in 2001 when Bush Jr was touring schools after NCLB? Did you not watch the news?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Now you're changing the subject. Nobody's claiming there weren't all sorts of negative responses to the activities of the Bush administration. That has zero to do with this story. It is the reaction to this specific event, an innocuous "study hard and take responsibility for your own success" speech, that is so far over the top it defies any rational explanation. I don't even think one can explain it as the usual knee-jerk frothing from the lunatic fringe. Lacking anything better, I'll stick with my theory.
The subject is the left's opposition to speeches GOP POTUS's made at schools, right? Or did I miss something? Were you not in America in 2001 when Bush Jr was touring schools after NCLB? Did you not watch the news?
You're not seriously attempting to equate the left's reaction to that with the current one, are you? That would require a significant distortion of history.
Originally posted by: monovillage
I just read Pres. Obama's speech that he's going to deliver to the students tomorrow. Looks like a good speech and i couldn't find anything in it that i found objectionable. I'll finish off with a quote from the speech. "Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America."
Thread over. If only people like Cad and Spidey would suddenly have one of those hollywood epiphanies and realize they wasted their whole life being a miserable paranoid psuedoracist.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Fail. Kindly show us some evidence the left "screamed bloody murder" about this. All I see is one Congressman (though there were presumably some others) challenging the use of tax dollars for the speech. Not a word about pulling kids out of school, people blasting a speech they haven't heard because it's an evil plot to indoctrinate our children just like the Nazis, or any of the other mind-boggling lunacy we're seeing. Just a challenge on the use of tax dollars (and unless there was much more to it than a speech, I'd say even that complaint was misguided.)Originally posted by: blackangst1
Republicans or those who oppose this speech: Lest you forget the left screamed bloody murder when Bush gave a speech to students. Its a fucking "dont do drugs stay in school" speech that AFAIK every president gives. This speech is not trend setting, historic, or evil. Its a non-issue.
This thread is truly amazing. I can't remember ever seeing such an asinine level of paranoia and deluded hysteria. It's not just the usual wing-nut media blowhards spreading their formulaic hate-mongering. It's the sheer number of ignorant fools who are lapping it up, chanting this absurd mantra in cult-like unison. As once panelist put it on Meet the Press this morning, "It's flat-out stupid." Indeed. Stupid and shameful.
I think I know what the real problem is, at least for many of these Chicken Littles. They're afraid the kids will listen to the speech without Dad standing by to scream at the TV, and they will see an intelligent, articulate man making perfectly rational and reasonable statements. They will see Obama isn't the maniacal fiend Dad constantly rants about, and they will maybe begin to realize Dad is crazed with partisan hatred. In short, the Chicken Littles are afraid their kids are going to realize Dad is a dipshit, and they may even begin to think for themselves. That's the kiss of death for any religious cult ... especially one based on irrational hatred and fear.