*** President Bush's thoughts on Iraq

[Red Dawn]

I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

To make matters worse, the people he has convince would not take the lemonaide if it was free....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

To make matters worse, the people he has convince would not take the lemonaide if it was free....

The American Public? I truly believe that it's Rumsfiled, Powell and Blair that are the ones who are doing the best job of selling this Military action inspite of Dubya.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

Yeah but Clinton would of stolen a shirt from a dying man.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

Yeah but Clinton would of stolen a shirt from a dying man.

Hmmm.. I didn't know Clinton had anything to do with this Administration.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

To make matters worse, the people he has convince would not take the lemonaide if it was free....

The American Public? I truly believe that it's Rumsfiled, Powell and Blair that are the ones who are doing the best job of selling this Military action inspite of Dubya.

I am referring to those against war at any price. Nothing would convince those people.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: LH Its fvcking war, people die, lots of people die, unless you are the US and are technologically superior. So what if the US buried bodies as they advanced the front line. I could care less about Iraqi military personal being killed and buried, or being buried alive.

You think they have a volunteer army? You know that most of his troops are likely young teenagers? Sorry, you don't GAF.

I repeat, it was a fvcking WAR. Press on the front line cause unneeded problems.

Great, I'll go beat the sh*t out of some whippy teenager, if it makes American's feel macho it should work for me too.

If that is indeed what going to happen, it's an unfortunate side effect of war. It sucks, but too bad. Stop making a war sound like we're beating up children - because we're not.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

Yeah but Clinton would of stolen a shirt from a dying man.

Hmmm.. I didn't know Clinton had anything to do with this Administration.

No Klinton has nothing to do with this administration.

I was just following up on your analogy about Bush's inability with Clinton's slickness.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

Yeah but Clinton would of stolen a shirt from a dying man.

Hmmm.. I didn't know Clinton had anything to do with this Administration.

No Klinton has nothing to do with this administration.

I was just following up on your analogy about Bush's inability with Clinton's slickness.

Hey if Dubya was just a chip off the old Block he'd be a better communicator.

 

[althor27]

Originally posted by: GroundedSailor

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
You are all looking like idiots insulting the President like this. You have nothing against the President, so therefore you personally attack him.

What do you want, specifics? Do your research.

All you democrats do is insult, insult, insult because Bush is not a great speaker. I would rather have a bad speaker than have a GREAT speaker who lies to us all the time, ie Clinton.

See this!

Ok doofus. Everyone has seen your little graphic, so you can stop trying to get people to click on it anytime now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It made me sick how he kept tring to link the horrors of 911 with saddam. Even the CIA says they can't find a link but he goes on mouthing away with it knowing full well it will gain public support for it's false link

In related news Saddam Destroyed 6 missles out of the suspected 30 or so al rassams he has today. I told this was'nt about WMD. Never has been. We need a base in the middle east and Saddam needs to go.

---Disclaimer-not aimed at Carbonyl, but using his first sentence for a point.

What follows is a general rant.---

The rest of his argument is as fallacious as the link to 9/11
Saddam IS an SOB. If you want to go after him because of his treatment of his people, then you have an argument. If it is because of the "threat" of Saddam, then no you do not. Saddam has not been a threat since the Gulf War, and I want to see solid, evidence to that effect if you disagree. But, but he has WMD's! Hells bells, Bush people practically invented that phrase. A helluva lot of people around the region do too. Think Iran doesn't? I have news for you, Iran has had more terrorists in it than Iraq ever had. Saddam wants to stay in power, but to do that he knew he would have to stay put or get ousted. Someone prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on you, because you have the more serious position of supporting the killing of Iraqis.

But, but 9/11!! I say, But but the Easter Bunny! Saddam has as much to do with one as another. The politicians have played the USA like an violin. The tune they use is fear, and so many desparately want to dance to that tune.

I am not proud of my leadership. I am ashamed of them.

 

[SlowSS]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SlowSS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I was watching O'Riely and Gary Hart was on. He sounded as confused as can be.

The problem with Bush is that he couldn't sell a glass of Ice Cold Lemonade to a man dying of thirst.

Yeah but Clinton would of stolen a shirt from a dying man.

Hmmm.. I didn't know Clinton had anything to do with this Administration.

No Klinton has nothing to do with this administration.

I was just following up on your analogy about Bush's inability with Clinton's slickness.

Hey if Dubya was just a chip off the old Block he'd be a better communicator.

Yup, he must of been conceived from one of the weaker sperm.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: hagbard
"Get out journalists...we don't want you to report what you see". I paraphrase here a bit.

Hagbard, why don't you actually try to learn something before about the situation before you open your mouth and stick your foot in. Wait, I'm forgetting whom I am talking to.



Pentagon Releases Reporters' Iraq Slots


News organizations slated to have journalists embedded with military units heading to Iraq were told Wednesday and Thursday morning how many slots they would get and, in many cases, to which units they would be assigned, according to a Pentagon official. He told E&P that U.S. troops expected to see combat would get the most reporters.

"We've tried to ensure coverage in-depth, which means units that are most likely to see combat get good, meaningful newspaper coverage, TV coverage, and other broadcast coverage," said Col. Jay DeFrank, director of press operations for the U.S. Department of Defense . "It is not based on the safety of the units." Journalists will not be allowed to carry firearms.

DeFrank confirmed Thursday that more than 500 journalists will be embedded with troops involved in the expected invasion of Iraq. DeFrank declined to reveal the exact number of embedded slots being assigned. He said the number could fluctuate as units are deployed and as access for reporters in different countries changes. "The journalists still have to get approval [to enter] the countries," he said. "Some may shut them out."
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Once again Hagbard got it completely wrong and tried to put his anti-American spin on something he knows nothing about. It's getting rather old.

 

[Conky]

It's amazing how many of you guys are suckered by Saddam's pathetic gestures at disarming.

He has a stash of over 100 missiles(which he originally claimed not to have) and he destroys 5 or 6 a day. If he was serious he would put them in a huge pile, invite CNN to film, and blow them up in one big bang.

I stand behind the President. Saddam needs to be dealt with finally.

 

[NightTrain]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

But, but 9/11!! I say, But but the Easter Bunny! Saddam has as much to do with one as another. The politicians have played the USA like an violin. The tune they use is fear, and so many desparately want to dance to that tune.

Perhaps I'm just gullible but until 9/11, I didn't care if Iraq had WOMD or not. I didn't care about anything outside of my own little world. Watching that second tower fall...seemingly in slow motion...I got to thinking that there are some very scary people in the world who actually want *me* dead just because I'm an American.

I am not proud of my leadership. I am ashamed of them.

If another 9/11 happens, no one will ask if you did everything in you power to prevent it. I'm glad I'm not in their position either.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
You are all looking like idiots insulting the President like this. You have nothing against the President, so therefore you personally attack him.

Ad Hominem attacks are the most common fallacy you will see come up in a debate. However I will accept your challenge and step up to the plate. First Bush is as much a detriment to the proper functioning of the Security Council as Saddam, probably more so. The argument here lies in the fact that while saddam is pushing the limits (and breaking) UN resolution 1441, Bush has said if the Security Council does not back us we will do it any way, in effect this removes the power from the security council and places it in the hands of a sole hegemon: The United States. While I do agree that appeasement has failed in the past and will continue to fail, I disagree with the way our president is going about it. His axis of evil speech is arguably one of the worst speeches in diplomatic terms ever given. Calling out countries as part of an "Axis of Evil" can not improve relations. Next, we must consider the legitimacy of this war, and whether our attention should be turned toward a more dangerous adversary: North Korea. Bush has yet to provide any solid evidence of WMD's in Iraq, the evidence they used was that of trucks leaving sites shortly before weapons inspectors showed up, while this is certainly suspicious, there is no way of knowing what is in those trucks, this evidence does not provide a clear link and therefore the link fails. I do not agree with continuing to send weapons inspectors to Iraq indefinitely, nor do I believe we should continue to give saddam more time, however you have to questions the reasoning. Now onto the crisis with North Korea. They have a far more dangerous dictator running their country. PY can be likened to Stalin in some regards. His military first policy is unecessarily aggressive, and quite detrimental to his own people. He has pulled out of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty shortly after it was discovered he was pursuing an atomic weapons program. Now, the bush administration is doing nothing to ease this crisis, they will not even term it a crisis, we need to have diplomats over there, being stern, but reasonable, do not appease, but don't be too staunch. I hope this is enough evidence against the issues at hand to satiate you for the time being. I am tired and have to get up early tomorrow for a trip.

 

[DigitalLove]

Did anyone notice his eyes kept wondering down as if he was looking at a cheat sheet?

I noticed he skipped a reporter, saying that he'll get back to him and had to go to another reporter first because it was in the "script." WTF?!?! So the whole press conference was scripted?

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It made me sick how he kept tring to link the horrors of 911 with saddam. Even the CIA says they can't find a link but he goes on mouthing away with it knowing full well it will gain public support for it's false link

In related news Saddam Destroyed 6 missles out of the suspected 30 or so al rassams he has today. I told this was'nt about WMD. Never has been. We need a base in the middle east and Saddam needs to go.

---Disclaimer-not aimed at Carbonyl, but using his first sentence for a point.

What follows is a general rant.---

The rest of his argument is as fallacious as the link to 9/11
Saddam IS an SOB. If you want to go after him because of his treatment of his people, then you have an argument. If it is because of the "threat" of Saddam, then no you do not. Saddam has not been a threat since the Gulf War, and I want to see solid, evidence to that effect if you disagree. But, but he has WMD's! Hells bells, Bush people practically invented that phrase. A helluva lot of people around the region do too. Think Iran doesn't? I have news for you, Iran has had more terrorists in it than Iraq ever had. Saddam wants to stay in power, but to do that he knew he would have to stay put or get ousted. Someone prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on you, because you have the more serious position of supporting the killing of Iraqis.

But, but 9/11!! I say, But but the Easter Bunny! Saddam has as much to do with one as another. The politicians have played the USA like an violin. The tune they use is fear, and so many desparately want to dance to that tune.

I am not proud of my leadership. I am ashamed of them.

Will backing down, dropping the sanctions and letting Saddam continue in his defiance of the UN make things better? Before you say more inspections be prepared to tell me why they will work now when they have not worked for the past twelve years.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: DigitalLove
Did anyone notice his eyes kept wondering down as if he was looking at a cheat sheet? I noticed he skipped a reporter, saying that he'll get back to him and had to go to another reporter first because it was in the "script." WTF?!?! So the whole press conference was scripted?

No, I think he was looking at a list of their names and deciding who to pick.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: DigitalLove
Did anyone notice his eyes kept wondering down as if he was looking at a cheat sheet?

He did have a cheat sheet, the idea is to avoid saying something that would upset an ally.

This is a critial time, and Bush knows he can mis-speak. He accepts his limitations and uses cheat sheets. So what?

I noticed he skipped a reporter, saying that he'll get back to him and had to go to another reporter first because it was in the "script." WTF?!?! So the whole press conference was scripted?

The questions were not scripted, but who he would call opon was. All that was decided in advance is who would get to ask questions.

: ) Hopper

 

[bentwookie]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: DigitalLove
Did anyone notice his eyes kept wondering down as if he was looking at a cheat sheet? I noticed he skipped a reporter, saying that he'll get back to him and had to go to another reporter first because it was in the "script." WTF?!?! So the whole press conference was scripted?

No, I think he was looking at a list of their names and deciding who to pick.

I you watch press briefings you know reporters just blurt out questions if they aren't picked...they just tried to keep it orderly for primetime.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: DigitalLove
Did anyone notice his eyes kept wondering down as if he was looking at a cheat sheet?

I noticed he skipped a reporter, saying that he'll get back to him and had to go to another reporter first because it was in the "script." WTF?!?! So the whole press conference was scripted?

Dang man, of all the burning and important questions to be discussed about the possible entry of the US into a war and you find that the most important.

 

[DigitalLove]

The questions were not scripted, but who he would call opon was. All that was decided in advance is who would get to ask questions.

Ahh I see, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: NightTrain
Sanctions against Iraq were put in place by the UN when GW was living in Texas.

Running a baseball team no less, not even remotely involved with politics.

The US support of Israel began with Truman.

Yes, and it only began because 24 hours after Israel was formed, it was attacked by 4 other Arab nations.

: ) Hopper

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: hagbard
No reason? How about sanctions against Iraq which lead to a million deaths...support for Israel which has done everything Iraq is accused of, stationing troops in their holy land, etc....

do you EVER stop whining, honestly? You live in this little fantasy world where everyone is just peachy to everyone else. Obviously at this point in time Iraq is considered a bigger threat than Iran, and this is the reason for the sudden push towards Iraq. Bush has more advisors who have better understanding of world policy than you, in your little world that extends no farther than your nose, so please dont attempt to act as if you have some omniscient view on the world.

And you live in a world with make believe enemies. Iraq isn't a threat, most of the world knows that. Moreover, more think that the US is a threat. Who will be the next threat? Iran? Syria? France? Just produce a pack of lies and go for it. And no, I don't stop "whining".

Good God, who wants France?