Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: Hayabusarider
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
It made me sick how he kept tring to link the horrors of 911 with saddam. Even the CIA says they can't find a link but he goes on mouthing away with it knowing full well it will gain public support for it's false link
In related news Saddam Destroyed 6 missles out of the suspected 30 or so al rassams he has today. I told this was'nt about WMD. Never has been. We need a base in the middle east and Saddam needs to go.
---Disclaimer-not aimed at Carbonyl, but using his first sentence for a point.
What follows is a general rant.---
The rest of his argument is as fallacious as the link to 9/11
Saddam IS an SOB. If you want to go after him because of his treatment of his people, then you have an argument. If it is because of the "threat" of Saddam, then no you do not. Saddam has not been a threat since the Gulf War, and I want to see solid, evidence to that effect if you disagree. But, but he has WMD's! Hells bells, Bush people practically invented that phrase. A helluva lot of people around the region do too. Think Iran doesn't? I have news for you, Iran has had more terrorists in it than Iraq ever had. Saddam wants to stay in power, but to do that he knew he would have to stay put or get ousted. Someone prove otherwise. The burden of proof is on you, because you have the more serious position of supporting the killing of Iraqis.
But, but 9/11!! I say, But but the Easter Bunny! Saddam has as much to do with one as another. The politicians have played the USA like an violin. The tune they use is fear, and so many desparately want to dance to that tune.
I am not proud of my leadership. I am ashamed of them.
Will backing down, dropping the sanctions and letting Saddam continue in his defiance of the UN make things better? Before you say more inspections be prepared to tell me why they will work now when they have not worked for the past twelve years.
At this point we have screwed the pooch so badly that I do not think anything will fix it. If Bush had been a doctor and hacked off the limbs of a person and someone came to me and asked "well what can YOU do about it" I would say "nothing". If that person then said "well if you cant fix it, then you have to accept it" Nonsense. The point isn't about my acceptance of mutilation, but about the hack job to begin with.
About inspections - they are irrelevent now. IMO inspections were there as a mechanism for hope. Hope is gone. Bush wanted Saddam dead, but managed to convince some people he never meant what he in fact said and many people bought it. I read his lips the first time. He is going to get his great white whale.
Only after 9/11 has Saddam suddenly become a danger, but no one can demonstrate IN FACT that he is. Assume he has banned weapons. Prove conclusively that Saddam intended to attack the US, or another invasion of a neighboring country. If you want to make an argument for his removal based on the treatment of his people, you would have a better chance of convincing me. No, Saddam has been many things, but most recently he seems to me more of a scapegoat than anything else.
Bush selected a path that almost certainly will lead to war. If Bush wished, even now he could approach the UN with a plan to forcefully disarm Iraq without full scale war. If he had approached France, Russia, Germany, China with something other than a club purposfully poorly disguised as diplomacy a la Rumsfeld, something might have been accomplished, since Bush determined he must make an issue of Iraq. Then again, he never wanted disarmanemt, he wanted Saddams head on a platter.
Bottom line is I have no practical solutions, since practical solutions were never wanted. Rational suggestions are not taken up by irrational people (Bush). No, the pooch is indeed screwed.