President Dean: Bush snubs Gay Community, assures Victory for Dean

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Strk
I never got the issue with this. It is just so lame that a gay couple cannot do what they want, but a hetero couple can get married, cheat on each other, physically abuse each other and get divorced and do it all over again, yet the gay couple is "ruining" the sanctity of marriage.

The only reason to ban it is a religious matter, which the government should have no say in. Personally, I think any 2 individuals should be allowed to marry each other by any legals means available outside of a place of worship.

I see the issue as being "marriage is religious". But - as we know - you don't have to get married in a church, and you don't have to be at all religious to get married. "Religious" and "civil" marriages are afforded the same rights and no distinction is made.

Now, couple a religious intolerence to homosexuality with a religious belief that "marriage is religious" and you see where they think they are coming from in wanting to refuse to allow gay couples to be "married". Doesn't stand up to much logic though really, does it?

Cheers,

Andy

 

[dirtboy]

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
I didnt know the election came down to Gays. HOW MANY GAYS ARE THERE?!

i dont know how many there are, but if there are more than originally thought, ill have to weld a big metal plate over my bum for protection!

 

[Fencer128]

Originally posted by: Genesys

i dont know how many there are, but if there are more than originally thought, ill have to weld a big metal plate over my bum for protection!

Is that funny? I don't find that funny (I don't know - maybe I'm too sensitive).

Cheers,

Andy

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm fur whatever gets me elected. Where are the votes? I don't give a sh!t who can marry or not; I care about winning. As long as the bigots don't want gay marriage, I'm fine with that. I'll support it.

Why does not supporting gay marriage = bigot?

Look up the meaning of bigot:

6 entries found for bigot.
big·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.


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[French, from Old French.]
Word History: Bigots may have more in common with God than one might think. Legend has it that Rollo, the first duke of Normandy, refused to kiss the foot of the French king Charles III, uttering the phrase bi got, his borrowing of the assumed Old English equivalent of our expression by God. Although this story is almost surely apocryphal, it is true that bigot was used by the French as a term of abuse for the Normans, but not in a religious sense. Later, however, the word, or very possibly a homonym, was used abusively in French for the Beguines, members of a Roman Catholic lay sisterhood. From the 15th century on Old French bigot meant ?an excessively devoted or hypocritical person.? Bigot is first recorded in English in 1598 with the sense ?a superstitious hypocrite.?

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Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
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bigot

\Big"ot\, a. Bigoted. [Obs.]

In a country more bigot than ours. --Dryden.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


bigot

\Big"ot\, n. [F. bigot a bigot or hypocrite, a name once given to the Normans in France. Of unknown origin; possibly akin to Sp. bigote a whisker; hombre de bigote a man of spirit and vigor; cf. It. s-bigottire to terrify, to appall. Wedgwood and others maintain that bigot is from the same source as Beguine, Beghard.] 1. A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite. [Obs.]
n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
2. A person who regards his own faith and views in matters of religion as unquestionably right, and any belief or opinion opposed to or differing from them as unreasonable or wicked. In an extended sense, a person who is intolerant of opinions which conflict with his own, as in politics or morals; one obstinately and blindly devoted to his own church, party, belief, or opinion.

To doubt, where bigots had been content to wonder and believe. --Macaulay.


Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.


bigot




Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University


bigot



A person who is religiously attached to a particular computer,
language, operating system, editor, or other tool (see
religious issues). Usually found with a specifier; thus,
"Cray bigot", "ITS bigot", "APL bigot", "VMS bigot", "Berkeley
bigot". Real bigots can be distinguished from mere partisans
or zealots by the fact that they refuse to learn alternatives
even when the march of time and/or technology is threatening
to obsolete the favoured tool. It is truly said "You can tell
a bigot, but you can't tell him much." Compare weenie.

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Source: The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing, © 1993-2003 Denis Howe


bigot

n. [common] A person who is religiously attached to a
particular computer, language, operating system, editor, or other
tool (see religious issues). Usually found with a specifier;
thus, `cray bigot', `ITS bigot', `APL bigot', `VMS bigot', `Berkeley
bigot'. Real bigots can be distinguished from mere partisans or
zealots by the fact that they refuse to learn alternatives even when
the march of time and/or technology is threatening to obsolete the
favored tool. It is truly said "You can tell a bigot, but you can't
tell him much." Compare weenie, Amiga Persecution Complex.
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Note especially this one:

n : a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

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Show me opposition to gay marriage not based on a prejudice, pre judgment, based on prior religious belief. The opposition to gay marriage is bigotry. Sorry. You have to look close before you can claim to be rational.

 

[TapTap]

Originally posted by: glenn1

President Dean: Bush snubs Gay Community, assures Victory for Dean

Yeah, i could see what that 5% of the population who is gay would immediately and as a bloc decide to vote for Dean, therefore making totally moot the votes of the other 95%.

Dean: "I will win the Gay vote!"
Bush: "Yaaawwwnnnnn....."

 

[Corn]

I'm prejudiced against and intolerant of larceny and murder for monetary gain. This obviously makes me a bigot.

Of course someone who simply does not "support" gay marriage isn't a bigot, except in the minds of simple extremists who can't differentiate between between tolerance and acceptance.

Then there's people like Moonie. Feeling they are the worst ever, grasp any and all opportunity to see and accuse others as they feel themselves. I blame Moonie's parents for his insanity.

 

[Pepsei]

That's a good point about atheists....

IN fvcking red China, I don't think they had marriages at first, your "spouse" is actually called your "lover".

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn
I'm prejudiced against and intolerant of larceny and murder for monetary gain. This obviously makes me a bigot.

If your position is so determined than indeed you are a bigot. We won't want you at the trial. I, on the other hand, can make a rational case against such behavior based on an assessment of rights.

Of course someone who simply does not "support" gay marriage isn't a bigot, except in the minds of simple extremists who can't differentiate between between tolerance and acceptance.

Of course he is. He's just not letting his bigotry lead him by the nose. Acceptance is the logical choice. No holding your nose hoping not to smell your bigotry.

Then there's people like Moonie. Feeling they are the worst ever, grasp any and all opportunity to see and accuse others as they feel themselves. I blame Moonie's parents for his insanity.

Shut your fat lip you idiot. You know what they'll do if they find out I've ratted them out. Oh please Corn, don't say anything bad against my folks. They'll kill me and likely go after you. Use your God Damned head. Don't you remember before you bought in when you were that little Corn brat. Jesus, use your head.

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And besides, Corn, when you finally begin your adventure within, you will see that although you blame your parents profoundly, as witnessed by your projection on me, you will eventually see that they were helpless too. They're no more responsible for what they did than you. There's no one we can really blame. It all had to be exactly like it was. But if you morn yourself enough, you'll be free. Good luck from a fellow traveler who's been places you haven't seen.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Corn
I'm prejudiced against and intolerant of larceny and murder for monetary gain. This obviously makes me a bigot.

Of course someone who simply does not "support" gay marriage isn't a bigot, except in the minds of simple extremists who can't differentiate between between tolerance and acceptance.

Then there's people like Moonie. Feeling they are the worst ever, grasp any and all opportunity to see and accuse others as they feel themselves. I blame Moonie's parents for his insanity.

You're making this more complicated than it needs to be. There are two schools of thought here:

There are those who understand that gay marriage is something between two gay people and has nothing to do with anyone else and are content to let people do what they want as long as they aren't hurting someone. That's tolerance. You're not necessarily going to do it yourself (or turn gay) nor are you going to go out and march in the streets, but you're content to live and let live.

And then there are those who don't like the idea of gay marriage (apparantly for religious reasons, mostly) and are actively trying to stop it, or outlaw it, or make it unconstitutional or what have you. Or they speak out against it and say that it's evil and unclean, etc. Or they prattle on and on about the "sanctity of marriage" (whatever that means). Those are the intolerant people. Or the bigots as some people will call them.

Make sense?

 

[alchemize]

Shut your fat lip you idiot. You know what they'll do if they find out I've ratted them out. Oh please Corn, don't say anything bad against my folks. They'll kill me and likely go after you. Use your God Damned head. Don't you remember before you bought in when you were that little Corn brat. Jesus, use your head.

Jesus, what an intolerant bigot. Doesn't like Corn's viewpoint on his parents.

New Flash: Being a bigot now means you cannot make a moral judgement, according to Moonbeam. There is no right, there is no wrong. Only a wide field of grey. How else can you justify the self-hate?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Corn
I'm prejudiced against and intolerant of larceny and murder for monetary gain. This obviously makes me a bigot.

Of course someone who simply does not "support" gay marriage isn't a bigot, except in the minds of simple extremists who can't differentiate between between tolerance and acceptance.

Then there's people like Moonie. Feeling they are the worst ever, grasp any and all opportunity to see and accuse others as they feel themselves. I blame Moonie's parents for his insanity.

You're making this more complicated than it needs to be. There are two schools of thought here:

There are those who understand that gay marriage is something between two gay people and has nothing to do with anyone else and are content to let people do what they want as long as they aren't hurting someone. That's tolerance. You're not necessarily going to do it yourself (or turn gay) nor are you going to go out and march in the streets, but you're content to live and let live.

And then there are those who don't like the idea of gay marriage (apparantly for religious reasons, mostly) and are actively trying to stop it, or outlaw it, or make it unconstitutional or what have you. Or they speak out against it and say that it's evil and unclean, etc. Or they prattle on and on about the "sanctity of marriage" (whatever that means). Those are the intolerant people. Or the bigots as some people will call them.

Make sense?

Sounds like you just defined Bigot 2 different ways. Those who agree with your opinion, and those who don't.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sounds like you just defined Bigot 2 different ways. Those who agree with your opinion, and those who don't.

Did I? Well, I'm not saying that people can't have an opinion that differs from my own. In fact, I can understand how they might. I simply defined the two major camps when it comes to gay marriage. One camp is trying to inflict their intolerance and prejudice on others, the other camp isn't. Can you figure out which one is which?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
Sounds like you just defined Bigot 2 different ways. Those who agree with your opinion, and those who don't.

Did I? Well, I'm not saying that people can't have an opinion that differs from my own. In fact, I can understand how they might. I simply defined the two major camps when it comes to gay marriage. One camp is trying to inflict their intolerance and prejudice on others, the other camp isn't. Can you figure out which one is which?

a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own

You said one opinion is intolerant. Which is intolerant of that intolerant opinion You said the other opinion is tolerant. Which is tolerant of that opinion. Your bigoted to your 2 defined opinions

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
You said one opinion is intolerant. Which is intolerant of that intolerant opinion You said the other opinion is tolerant. Which is tolerant of that opinion. Your bigoted to your 2 defined opinions

Now, you're just being purposely obtuse. It doesn't matter what I think of the other opposing opinion, it's how each camp deals with the original issue. Meaning, there are two opposing opinions: pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage. How do those camps deal with the issue? Who acts with intolerance?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize
You said one opinion is intolerant. Which is intolerant of that intolerant opinion You said the other opinion is tolerant. Which is tolerant of that opinion. Your bigoted to your 2 defined opinions

Now, you're just being purposely obtuse. It doesn't matter what I think of the other opposing opinion, it's how each camp deals with the original issue. Meaning, there are two opposing opinions: pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage. How do those camps deal with the issue? Who acts with intolerance?

Isn't the pro-gay intolerant of those who opine that gay marriage is wrong? That was my point...

I honestly don't see the difference. Both sides want to legislate what is legal and what is illegal, based on their viewpoints on what is right and what is wrong.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Isn't the pro-gay intolerant of those who opine that gay marriage is wrong? That was my point...

I honestly don't see the difference. Both sides want to legislate what is legal and what is illegal, based on their viewpoints on what is right and what is wrong.

Well, if you look closely, one party wants to legislate what other people can or can't do, the other want to legislate what they themselves can or can't do. It seems like a minor detail, but it makes all the difference.