President is really winding up the anti-immigrant crowd - order to end birthright citizenship

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pauldun170

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I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person here who can use Google properly. Try "how many achors babies are born in the US every year?"

You can skip the breitbart link and go here:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...n-in-u-s-to-unauthorized-immigrants-declines/

Explains how the data was collected and everything.

It should be noted that the majority of these are not what we would call "anchor babies." My understanding that the term refers to "birth tourism" where people come to visit/vaction then have a baby here, then later apply for citizenship for the parent because their child is a US citizen. Most of these are people who came here illegally, then had kids, but are obviously not applying for citizenship while living here illegally.

Why didn't you include the latest research that you article linked to?

While the Center’s new analysis provides estimates about the number and share of U.S.-born babies with unauthorized immigrant parents, it’s important to note that the legal status of immigrant parents can change over time. For example, parents who have legal permission to be in the U.S. at the time of their child’s birth might later overstay their visas or otherwise become unauthorized. Similarly, parents who are unauthorized immigrants at the time of their child’s birth might later become lawful immigrants and then naturalized citizens. (This analysis also slightly revises earlier estimates published by Pew Research Center.)
 
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pcgeek11

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How many babies a year are classified as anchor babies?
What are the demographics of these children? What does the data say? How was it collected?


How many babies a year are classified as anchor babies?

It varies, the latest figures I have seen are 250,000 in 2016.

What are the demographics of these children?

I don't care.

What does the data say?

Read it for yourself.

How was it collected?

See the Pew Research.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ized-immigrant-parents-has-fallen-since-2007/

I realize it has declined since the "great Recession" high of 390,000 a year down to 250,000 in 2016. In my opinion any anchor babies are too many the way the law is written now. It only encourages gaming of the system.
 

ivwshane

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Good god you are a brainless parrot.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...w-birthright-citizenship-he-regrets-it-again/

On Wednesday, Reid, who served as the Senate majority leader from 2007 to 2015, reiterated in a statement that his 1993 comments were a “mistake."

“After I proposed that awful bill, my wife Landra immediately sat me down and said, ‘Harry, what are you doing, don’t you know that my father is an immigrant?’ She set me straight,” Reid wrote, adding that immigrants are the “lifeblood” of the United States.
 

senseamp

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If you don't like it, there is a process for repealing Amendments. Do you want a Democrat president to be able repeal the 2nd with an executive order too?
 
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Not a legal scholar here but the 14th amendment does say that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Regardless of what Trump says, I would think it takes more than an executive order to take away a constitutional right.

Sorry, but intuitively or logically, this rule doesnt make sense. Seems to me the child should have citizenship in the same country as the parents are citizens of. Or at least the mother should have to live in the US legally for a certain period of time. So if a mother from another country has a baby in the US, s/he (the baby) is a citizen of the US, right? Are they also a citizen of the country in which the parents are citizens as well? Doesnt really seem fair, since I worked for many years with a person from Vietnam who spent years and years, and many thousands of dollars, to get his parents to be allowed into the US.

Let me be clear, I think "The Wall" is ridiculous. I also strongly disagree with Trump's using the immigration issue as a fear-mongering tactic and his totally compassion-less handling of those who are in this country illegally, especially the way he separated families and treated children. However, immigration is a serious problem that needs to be solved. I would really like to hear the democrats come up with some sort of reasonable alternative plan, instead of just continually complaining about how terrible Trump is. In fact, I think this sort of response could prevent the dems from gaining control of the house (which I a desperately hoping they do), because I think a lot of people want to hear some constructive programs presented instead of just hand wringing over how bad trump is. And I mean this in a whole range of issues, not just immigration
 
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If you don't like it, there is a process for repealing Amendments. Do you want a Democrat president to be able repeal the 2nd with an executive order too?

Sounds good to me!!! And even if it was repealed, nobody would come into your house and take your precious guns away, or make responsible gun sales illegal.

Seriously though, the Constitution was not handed down from God. It was written by men like us, who weren't perfect, and were shaped by the time they lived in. I think all the amendments need to be interpreted in the context of today's society. I would of course agree that this should obviously not be done by executive order by one person, but by the courts.
 

pcgeek11

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It doesn't matter that "His wife set him straight". So we should go along with whatever Harry's wife says now? The anchor baby thing wasn't even a thought when the 14th amendment was written and goes against the intent of the amendment. It is a loophole that is being used and should be closed. I have always thought this even before now.

Go ahead and show us your real intellectual power and call me some more names.

LOL
 

ivwshane

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It doesn't matter that "His wife set him straight". So we should go along with whatever Harry's wife says now? The anchor baby thing wasn't even a thought when the 14th amendment was written and goes against the intent of the amendment. It is a loophole that is being used and should be closed. I have always thought this even before now.

Go ahead and show us your real intellectual power and call me some more names.

LOL

Do you ever wonder why people constantly call you a piece of shit? Its because of posts like this. Reid himself, you stupid fucking idiot, said that it was a mistake and a low point in his political career. His wife merely opened his eyes.

Like I said, you are a brainless parrot.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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It doesn't matter that "His wife set him straight". So we should go along with whatever Harry's wife says now? The anchor baby thing wasn't even a thought when the 14th amendment was written and goes against the intent of the amendment. It is a loophole that is being used and should be closed. I have always thought this even before now.

Go ahead and show us your real intellectual power and call me some more names.

LOL
Lol youre wrong.

Read em and weep.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"
 

feralkid

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Midway thru this story - Trump says border troops could hit 15K, surprising Pentagon - I found this gem:

Trump insisted the media is underestimating the caravans. “You have caravans coming up that look a lot larger than it’s reported actually. I’m pretty good at estimating crowd size. And I’ll tell you they look a lot bigger than people would think,” he told ABC.

Lol...



Yes, I found this particularly precious of him to say.

Oy.
 
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pcgeek11

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Do you ever wonder why people constantly call you a piece of shit? Its because of posts like this. Reid himself, you stupid fucking idiot, said that it was a mistake and a low point in his political career. His wife merely opened his eyes.

Like I said, you are a brainless parrot.

And there we go. Just say you have nothing but name calling because someone doesn't agree with you and Harry Reids wife. LOL

The best excuse is that his wife opened his eyes. No other reasoning... Got it.
 

pcgeek11

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Lol youre wrong.

Read em and weep.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws"


I know what it says. Do you think illegal immigration was an issue or even a thought when the 14th amendment was written? Do you know why the 14th amendment even came into existence?

HINT: It wasn't for illegals getting citizenship for their babies.
 

brycejones

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I know what it says. Do you think illegal immigration was an issue or even a thought when the 14th amendment was written? Do you know why the 14th amendment even came into existence?

HINT: It wasn't for illegals getting citizenship for their babies.

Illegal immigration wasn't an issue because back then we didn't have a bunch of hyped up authoritarians wanting to take the worst aspects of an HOA and apply it to people. This country was founded on the principle of being different and now your basic argument is "we should be the same as everyone else" when it comes to migration. Pay attention to the founding principles of the country.
 

pcgeek11

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Illegal immigration wasn't an issue because back then we didn't have a bunch of hyped up authoritarians wanting to take the worst aspects of an HOA and apply it to people. This country was founded on the principle of being different and now your basic argument is "we should be the same as everyone else" when it comes to migration. Pay attention to the founding principles of the country.

1. your basic argument is "we should be the same as everyone else" when it comes to migration.

No, it isn't at all. You have never seen me say that "we should be the same as everyone else".

We should revise the 14th amendment to correct it, it was not meant to allow anchor babies.

I am paying attention, it is a country of laws and obeying those laws. Illegal entry into the country is breaking the law. There are ways to enter legally.
 

ivwshane

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And there we go. Just say you have nothing but name calling because someone doesn't agree with you and Harry Reids wife. LOL

The best excuse is that his wife opened his eyes. No other reasoning... Got it.

Oh I'm sorry, when someone realizes how irrational they are being I didn't realize you were the arbitrator of what are the acceptable reasons for changing ones mind.

So you'll listen to people who tell you what you want to hear but you won't listen to those same people when they tell you they were wrong. You are a brainless parrot, got it.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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I know what it says. Do you think illegal immigration was an issue or even a thought when the 14th amendment was written? Do you know why the 14th amendment even came into existence?

HINT: It wasn't for illegals getting citizenship for their babies.
Hint: you dont like the 14th hence your very biased and historically incorrect interpretation.

The use of the word "persons" isnt accidental and makes clear what the intent was: citizenship extends to everyone born here.

It also makes clear that "persons" who arent diplomats are subject to the laws of the US.

You and your fellow nativists are attempting to destroy what the constitution stands for, and like the President, see it as an inconvenience to your desired policy outcomes, most of which are grounded in flat out racism.
 

soundforbjt

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1. your basic argument is "we should be the same as everyone else" when it comes to migration.

No, it isn't at all. You have never seen me say that "we should be the same as everyone else".

We should revise the 14th amendment to correct it, it was not meant to allow anchor babies.

I am paying attention, it is a country of laws and obeying those laws. Illegal entry into the country is breaking the law. There are ways to enter legally.

Fine, ammend it as the Constitution defines, 2/3 majority in both houses, or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures, and 38 out of 50 of States voting to ratifying it ...Good Luck.
Isn't that what you righties always say about the 2nd?
 
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