We don't have open borders today.
Your anger at a reasonable post pointing out why substantial modifications to the 14th are unlikely is odd.
Your entire post is bull shit. I want the immigration laws changed and corrected to reflect what is acceptable. Note that does not include open borders, or catch and release which obviously is not working.
Who said that we did?
It was in your post talking about wanting to change the law.
Did you forget already? Pretty sure I quoted it.
Nobody implied that we had open borders already. I was only noting what I thought would be unacceptable in any changes....
Are you slow on the uptake or what?
His entire post about what he think republicans want to do is bull shit.
If either side in DC was reasonable they would change the 14th amendment to something that make sense in today's world and improve our immigration laws. Right now they are both garbage.
Which part don't you like?If either side in DC was reasonable they would change the 14th amendment to something that make sense in today's world and improve our immigration laws. Right now they are both garbage.
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
catch and release which obviously is not working.
Nobody implied that we had open borders already. I was only noting what I thought would be unacceptable in any changes....
Are you slow on the uptake or what?
His entire post about what he think republicans want to do is bull shit.
If either side in DC was reasonable they would change the 14th amendment to something that make sense in today's world and improve our immigration laws. Right now they are both garbage.
‘If either side was reasonable they would jettison a bedrock principle of the United States for the last century and a half and adopt my policy preference.’
Wait, you mean they haven't solved abortion yet? That's SO weird...The GOP doesn't want immigration reform, at all. They want to keep it nicely fucked up so they can fear monger the living shit out of it every two years.
Which part don't you like?
Detention is about the worst and absolutely the most expensive way to manage asylum seekers. Electronic or community monitoring is far cheaper and better for everyone. For example the pilot Family Case Management Program that involved community monitoring of central American families who applied for asylum was super effective (99% showed for court). It was discontinued because the Trump administration decided it didn't lead to enough denials and deportations, not that it was ineffective.
I didn't say anything about detention. I only stated that catch and release is not the answer.
Actions are illegal, not people, dipshit.The part where ILLEGAL Aliens can come into our country and have a baby and that baby is automatically a citizen.
Any other immigrant I have no issue with. The illegal ones should not be able to game the system.
I didn't say anything about detention. I only stated that catch and release is not the answer.
Actions are illegal, not people, dipshit.
I think you need to elaborate a bit more then on what you see as alternatives to catch and release if detention isn't one of them.
Our feelings are irrelevant; feel free to read the Atlantic article on the matter if you really need help understanding why the 14th is unambiguous.You have your opinion, I have mine...
Hint: I think you are wrong.
Why do you think the 14th amendment was written? Tell me I would like to hear your opinion.
The part where ILLEGAL Aliens can come into our country and have a baby and that baby is automatically a citizen.
Any other immigrant I have no issue with. The illegal ones should not be able to game the system.
Our feelings are irrelevant; feel free to read the Atlantic article on the matter if you really need help understanding why the 14th is unambiguous.
In case the unambiguous english is too coomplicated for you.
Their intention isn't to game the system but rather to make a living & raise their families in peace. Having American citizen children in no way protects them from deportation. Birth tourism by wealthy Chinese & Russians is gaming the system.
Your endless harangue is tedious. What you want & reality will never coincide.
Yes, if conservatives want to repeal birthright citizenship then they need to come forward with what they will offer.
I would consider trading it for the repeal of the second amendment, that’s my opening offer.
Deport them until they are approved since most cannot be trusted to appear for their hearing. What would be your suggestion?
Deport them to where? The country they're fleeing to seek asylum in this country?
Deport them until they are approved since most cannot be trusted to appear for their hearing. What would be your suggestion?
Several experts emphasized that using monitoring devices and providing immigrants with legal counsel correlated with higher attendance.
"I do think having appropriate legal representation for asylum claimants would help a lot," Margulies said. "Many may not know that they have good claims. Better legal advice would further improve the attendance rate."