President is really winding up the anti-immigrant crowd - order to end birthright citizenship

[fskimospy]

Far easier to start a company when you gain access to the best universities in the world and exit them without any student debt. If our universities extended to American citizens even a fraction of the attention afforded to attracting affluent foreign students, perhaps the ground wouldn’t have been quite so fertile for Trumpism. There was certainly a payoff.

So you’re saying foreigners are stealing our rightful university spots? Absolutely not!!! One of America’s greatest advantages is that we attract the best and brightest from around the world to our universities and they often stay here. We are in effect stealing everyone else’s smartest people.

This is so terrifyingly effective that other countries have long sought to limit their citizens’ access to US universities precisely because the US is getting the steal of a lifetime.

Given the wealth disparity in this country, and the corrupting influence of wealth on our government, the last thing we need is more wealth people.

I have frequently heard the argument we need fewer immigrants because they are poor. Now we need fewer immigrants because they are rich?

In reality we just need more more more immigrants. Lots more.

 

[BlueWeasel]

this is a fucking red herring to get people to stop talking about dead jews and alt right pipe bombs.

Exactly. I'm noticing a pattern here. Every time some horrific event happens, Trump spews stupid shit to get the attention back on him instead of honoring victims or focusing on the problem.

 

[fskimospy]

Look, I agree with you that anchor babies aren't ideal and encourage bad behaviour, but legislating from the bench is bad, period. It is the duty of congress, and not the courts, to pass laws. Morally, the ends don't justify the means. And pragmatically, people in your shoes should want to foster a culture that supports originalistic interpretations of the constitution seeing as it's a largely conservative document. There are far more ways to wilfully misinterpret the constitution towards liberal causes than conservative ones, so why give support to this "living document" bullshit that almost always works against you?

Because as soon as it works against him he will just claim the opposite.

 

[thilanliyan]

If our universities extended to American citizens even a fraction of the attention afforded to attracting affluent foreign students, perhaps the ground wouldn’t have been quite so fertile for Trumpism. There was certainly a payoff.

Universities do it because they get a lot of money from foreign students, they are running as businesses.

Maybe if the government spent less money on tax cuts for the wealthy they might be able to give local students a much easier time in terms of debt...but that kind of talk is too Venezuela-like apparently.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Universities do it because they get a lot of money from foreign students, they are running as businesses.

Maybe if the government spent less money on tax cuts for the wealthy they might be able to give local students a much easier time in terms of debt...but that kind of talk is too Venezuela-like apparently.

Our entire society is run like a business, leaving the majority distracted by pissing matches and fighting over crumbs.

 

[trenchfoot]

Universities do it because they get a lot of money from foreign students, they are running as businesses.

Maybe if the government spent less money on tax cuts for the wealthy they might be able to give local students a much easier time in terms of debt...but that kind of talk is too Venezuela-like apparently.

The very wealthy really didn't need the tax cuts. They were given those tax cuts simply to keep those monies out of the hands of the middle class and the poor via spending those revenues for essential social safety net services.

Starve the Beast.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So you’re saying foreigners are stealing our rightful university spots? Absolutely not!!! One of America’s greatest advantages is that we attract the best and brightest from around the world to our universities and they often stay here. We are in effect stealing everyone else’s smartest people.

This is so terrifyingly effective that other countries have long sought to limit their citizens’ access to US universities precisely because the US is getting the steal of a lifetime.

That is how we beat the rest of the industrialized world to the atom bomb, but we also probably wouldn’t have a migrant crisis if the best minds of the world helped to better their own societies. Iran comes to mind.

I have frequently heard the argument we need fewer immigrants because they are poor. Now we need fewer immigrants because they are rich?

I read an article the other day that video game message boards have become a fertile alt-right recruiting platform for targeting disgruntled middle class white males. Why do you suppose that is?

In reality we just need more more more immigrants. Lots more.

Like I said, to the extent that it neglects our own citizens such that is creates fertile ground for Trumpism, I think we need to solve that problem first.

 

[Jhhnn]

That is how we beat the rest of the industrialized world to the atom bomb, but we also probably wouldn’t have a migrant crisis if the best minds of the world helped to better their own societies. Iran comes to mind.

I read an article the other day that video game message boards have become a fertile alt-right recruiting platform for targeting disgruntled middle class white males. Why do you suppose that is?

Like I said, to the extent that it neglects our own citizens such that is creates fertile ground for Trumpism, I think we need to solve that problem first.

"We" don't have a migrant crisis in this Country. The Europeans have a migrant crisis, largely of our making.

The GOP exploits the Hell out of immigration as distraction from their own callous disregard for the needs of their constituents. And guns. And abortion. And Antifa. And voter fraud. And a lot of other bullshit as well. Keeps 'em nicely irrational & voting for their exploiters on a regular basis.

 

[Starbuck1975]

"We" don't have a migrant crisis in this Country. The Europeans have a migrant crisis, largely of our making.

The GOP exploits the Hell out of immigration as distraction from their own callous disregard for the needs of their constituents. And guns. And abortion. And Antifa. And voter fraud. And a lot of other bullshit as well. Keeps 'em nicely irrational & voting for their exploiters on a regular basis.

Yes we have a migrant crisis of exploited shadow labor that disproportionally impacts the lowest rung of the socio-economic ladder. Affluent liberals don’t care because how would they otherwise be able to afford their landscapers and house cleaners and nannies and organic produce and laborers for their HGTV inspired home makeovers and the hand car washes for their leased luxury cars

Europe has a refugee crisis.

Yes, the Republicans use fear to motivate their base. I suppose we could try addressing the underlying problems that fuel those fears.

 

[soundforbjt]

Yes we have a migrant crisis of exploited shadow labor that disproportionally impacts the lowest rung of the socio-economic ladder. Affluent liberals don’t care because how would they otherwise be able to afford their landscapers and house cleaners and nannies and organic produce and laborers for their HGTV inspired home makeovers and the hand car washes for their leased luxury cars

Europe has a refugee crisis.

Yes, the Republicans use fear to motivate their base. I suppose we could try addressing the underlying problems that fuel those fears.

Affluent liberals like the Nunes Family's dairy farms?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yes we have a migrant crisis of exploited shadow labor that disproportionally impacts the lowest rung of the socio-economic ladder. Affluent liberals don’t care because how would they otherwise be able to afford their landscapers and house cleaners and nannies and organic produce and laborers for their HGTV inspired home makeovers and the hand car washes for their leased luxury cars

Europe has a refugee crisis.

Yes, the Republicans use fear to motivate their base. I suppose we could try addressing the underlying problems that fuel those fears.

I’ve never heard wealthy liberal friends complain about paying someone to do their landscaping or wash their car.
I have heard wealthy conservative friends complain about stuff like you mentioned.
I know this is a personal observation and I’m sure it’s not scientific. I do feel you made a ton of generalizations
Otherwise I agree, elected people should deal with the hard problems. That’s why they are in office.

 

[sdifox]

Since this is about immigration and citizenship and ultimately law, I'll ask again. What can those thousands of soldiers do? What's the ROE?

They can be measured for SS uniform?

 

[sdifox]

Since Donald's claim to US citizenship is that he was born here, the second after he signs such an order he should be removed from office. He will no longer be a US citizen (his only basis for that status is his birth here-just like you and me). At last a silver lining to another stupid thing Trump does.

Don't forget the kids and grand kids get separared to the parents and sent off to some random camp.

 

[kage69]

Affluent liberals like the Nunes Family's dairy farms?

The English lexicon needs another entry like swiftboating, another term to denote the addition of sleaze, fraud and corruption. Maybe with just a hint of moron.

'With no morals, prior experience, or work ethic, Dave put the Nunes on his inherited business.'

 

[ch33zw1z]

Affluent liberals like the Nunes Family's dairy farms?

The joke is he thinks affluenza affects only liberals...lol.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Affluent liberals like the Nunes Family's dairy farms?

Them too, and the federal government should be going after the businesses that exploit said labor, but then the politicians would have to face the outcry of what milk and produce would cost if the people producing those things made a livable wage.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I’ve never heard wealthy liberal friends complain about paying someone to do their landscaping or wash their car.

Of course they won’t complain. The point is that liberals look the other way because they benefit from the low cost of services they would not otherwise enjoy if they had to pay a fair market value for the labor providing those services.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The joke is he thinks affluenza affects only liberals...lol.

Affluenza effects everyone...lol

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Exactly. I'm noticing a pattern here. Every time some horrific event happens, Trump spews stupid shit to get the attention back on him instead of honoring victims or focusing on the problem.

Seems to have been his pattern for a very long time now.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Affluenza effects everyone...lol

No, it doesn't.

But keep on hatin' those libtards.

 

[rvborgh]

interesting to say the least. One of the drafters of the 14th amendment (THE drafter?) says it was not intended for children of aliens.

https://twitter.com/dmartosko/status/1057278193344897024

 

[Starbuck1975]

No, it doesn't.

But keep on hatin' those libtards.

Sure it does. Keep on clutchin’ them pearls

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sure it does. Keep on clutchin’ them pearls

Irony. How quaint, it's only the libs you have a problem with. What an unbiased centrist you are.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Irony. How quaint.

I know, right!

 

[ch33zw1z]

I know, right!

So you dont have anything left? Got some Clinton hate to toss in?