President is really winding up the anti-immigrant crowd - order to end birthright citizenship

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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Nope, anchor babies need to be stopped.

Lol, then back to the original problem, employers who make illegal immigrants want to come here. It's not this hard, you just want to hate on people because you think they're the problem. It's all the derp, with some herp.
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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Everyone within the boundaries of the United States is subject to the jurisdiction of its laws. The only exception to this is the children of diplomats as they are expressly places outside of the jurisdiction of the US.

Michael Anton is either very stupid or very dishonest. Or both!
perfect match to slow

so if he does do this and it passes judicial muster then we basically have no constitution.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
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Do you know what the definition of "invasion" is? They fit it perfectly, they are invading.

Googled it:

"an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force."

It's the primary definition every single time.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/invasion
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/invasion
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/invasion
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/invasion
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/invasion

Only a terrified fool would characterise the approach of unarmed people with no hostile or military objective towards the country with the most powerful and well-equipped military force as an invasion. The idea is utterly absurd.
 

fskimospy

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I’m kind of excited to see conservatives make the argument that the 14th amendment was intended to exclude illegal immigrants though. It will (once again) show how completely moronic and intellectually bankrupt their views on ‘original meaning’ are when applied to the constitution.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
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I actually agree with doing a limited version of this to end birth tourism--i.e. not for all non-citizens, but for anyone who isn't a legal permanent resident or here on a long term work visa. Birth tourism should not be a thing.

This should be left to Congress though, and tied to a permanent DACA fix for those eligible within the cutoff date. But of course, leave it to the Donald to go for the absolute shittiest version of any policy proposal.
 
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I dont know a ton about all the rules of this, but if you were on vacation pregnant and gave birth way early, does that child have citizenship even though you are just on vacation in our country? If so, that would be kind of silly, but not at all for the reasons im sure Trump has.
 

K1052

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I’m kind of excited to see conservatives make the argument that the 14th amendment was intended to exclude illegal immigrants though. It will (once again) show how completely moronic and intellectually bankrupt their views on ‘original meaning’ are when applied to the constitution.

I'm actually kinda curious to see the extreme legal contortions in an argument that it was intended to exclude illegal immigrants when there was literally no such thing in the 1860s.
 
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K1052

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I dont know a ton about all the rules of this, but if you were on vacation pregnant and gave birth way early, does that child have citizenship even though you are just on vacation in our country? If so, that would be kind of silly, but not at all for the reasons im sure Trump has.

Yes, reason does not matter only presence.
 

fskimospy

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I'm actually kinda curious to see the extreme legal contortions in an argument that it was intended to exclude illegal immigrants when there was literally no such thing in the 1860s.

I’m sure Clarence Thomas will oblige if it gets that far.

It would be a novel criminal law argument though - ‘You can’t convict me of that murder, my parents are illegal immigrants from Honduras!’
 
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K1052

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I’m sure Clarence Thomas will oblige if it gets that far.

It would be a novel criminal law argument though - ‘You can’t convict me of that murder, my parents are illegal immigrants from Honduras!’

I dunno if Roberts will be cool with that, it's a bit much even for him. I'd suspect they would not hear the case anyway especially if lower courts decide it's bullshit, which it is.
 

K1052

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Well i find that silly. I wouldnt want my child to have citzenship in a country i just happened to be in on vacation. Especially the US right now

A bunch of countries have birthright citizenship. Plan accordingly!
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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"Michael Anton, a former national security adviser for Trump, pointed out in July that "there’s a clause in the middle of the amendment that people ignore or they misinterpret – subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

"What they are saying is, if you are born on U.S. soil subject to the jurisdiction of the United States – meaning you’re the child of citizens or the child of legal immigrants, then you are entitled to citizenship,” Anton told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson in July. “If you are here illegally, if you owe allegiance to a foreign nation, if you’re the citizen of a foreign country, that clause does not apply to you.”"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

Hope Trump has the judges in place he needs to stop anchor babies.
By that definition Baron Trump is an anchor baby. Kick his ass out first.
 
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fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I dont know a ton about all the rules of this, but if you were on vacation pregnant and gave birth way early, does that child have citizenship even though you are just on vacation in our country? If so, that would be kind of silly, but not at all for the reasons im sure Trump has.

One of the primary reasons it was made so wide and inclusive was the fear that citizenship would be stripped from the freed slaves by a future congress. This way there was no wiggle room.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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One of the primary reasons it was made so wide and inclusive was the fear that citizenship would be stripped from the freed slaves by a future congress. This way there was no wiggle room.

And prevents revocation of citizenship and voting rights from political opponents. This happens today and some of the world's countries that don't have these protections.

It's a stupid fucking idea to repeal this. Only a short-sighted fool could come up with something so daft.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Googled it:

"an instance of invading a country or region with an armed force."

It's the primary definition every single time.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/invasion
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/invasion
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/invasion
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/invasion
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/invasion
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/invasion

Only a terrified fool would characterise the approach of unarmed people with no hostile or military objective towards the country with the most powerful and well-equipped military force as an invasion. The idea is utterly absurd.

When your weeping raped women are stumbling through the rubble of ruined American cities, you will think differently. ;colbert;
 

Simon96

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I hope he will support and make some positive moves for immigrants and yes even if they are illegally staying here then still make some proper strategy to vacate them.
 

fskimospy

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I dunno if Roberts will be cool with that, it's a bit much even for him. I'd suspect they would not hear the case anyway especially if lower courts decide it's bullshit, which it is.

Yes but it was also widely thought that the legal challenges to the ACA were comically misguided bullshit and they almost won. You never know with these guys.

Still, despite the evil behind this argument it would be amusing to watch conservatives argue with a straight face that illegal immigrants who are currently incarcerated by the US government are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the US’.
 
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"Michael Anton, a former national security adviser for Trump, pointed out in July that "there’s a clause in the middle of the amendment that people ignore or they misinterpret – subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

"What they are saying is, if you are born on U.S. soil subject to the jurisdiction of the United States – meaning you’re the child of citizens or the child of legal immigrants, then you are entitled to citizenship,” Anton told Fox News’ Tucker Carlson in July. “If you are here illegally, if you owe allegiance to a foreign nation, if you’re the citizen of a foreign country, that clause does not apply to you.”"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...executive-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

Hope Trump has the judges in place he needs to stop anchor babies.

Yup, just like guns being held by a “well trained militia”
Can’t wait for the next Democrat President, who knew gun control would be so simple.

*for the record I’m all for an honest good discussion about birthright citizenship, practically nowhere else in the world does it.
Same with healthcare nowhere else in the world does it like us.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Yes but it was also widely thought that the legal challenges to the ACA were comically misguided bullshit and they almost won. You never know with these guys.

Still, despite the evil behind this argument it would be amusing to watch conservatives argue with a straight face that illegal immigrants who are currently incarcerated by the US government are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the US’.

I do not exclude the possibility that the court could actually do something monumentally dumb and harmful. It's happened several times.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Yup, just like guns being held by a “well trained militia”
Can’t wait for the next Democrat President, who knew gun control would be so simple.

*for the record I’m all for an honest good discussion about birthright citizenship, practically nowhere else in the world does it.
Same with healthcare nowhere else in the world does it like us.

Both Canada and Mexico do it? In the Americas birthright citizenship is the rule, not the exception.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
 

Paul98

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Jan 31, 2010
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Yup, just like guns being held by a “well trained militia”
Can’t wait for the next Democrat President, who knew gun control would be so simple.

*for the record I’m all for an honest good discussion about birthright citizenship, practically nowhere else in the world does it.
Same with healthcare nowhere else in the world does it like us.

Agreed, Trump once again being the problem. There will no reasonable discussion about this because of him, he has zero interest in reasonable discussion, thus his followers, the GOP lackeys, and his propaganda stations won't be looking for it ether.
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Yea, Axios printed Trump's lie that nobody else has birthright citizenship. Huge mistake to be making so late in the game with somebody who lies so much in volume and frequency the guys at Websters are going to have to create a new word for it like "Trumping".
 
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