President Obama 2011 State of the Union speech thread

[Zorkorist]

Thanks dm...

-John

 

[Zebo]

Are not the "teabaggers" outsiders?

and with that - what would one consider to be an outsider?

Not really.

Business leaders, generals, professors, etc I admit it's a fine line but I'm pretty tired of seeing all Yale and Harvard Presidents since Bush 1 who's constituency seems to be people they went to school with..

 

[Gigantopithecus]

"...if a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it" and "...I’m asking Congress to eliminate the billions in taxpayer dollars we currently give to oil companies" were my favorites, almost as hilarious as when Bush said we were going to Mars.

 

[101mpg]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110126/ap_on_re_us/us_state_of_union_fact_check

FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

From the AP

 

[nyker96]

You Lie!

 

[UberNeuman]

Not really.

Business leaders, generals, professors, etc I admit it's a fine line but I'm pretty tired of seeing all Yale and Harvard Presidents since Bush 1 who's constituency seems to be people they went to school with..

It's a incestuous bed... that fine line doesn't exist - which is why I tend to chuckle when folks keep wanting that one person to rise above it all and unite everyone...

 

[umbrella39]

I missed the show was too busy working. Who won? Are the sock puppets handling their alts with grace tonight or is it the usual free for all...

 

[Zorkorist]

I missed the show was too busy working. Who won? Are the sock puppets handling their alts with grace tonight or is it the usual free for all...

I'm pretty sure it was you, Umbrella39, that din't even watch the show, that won.

Collect your prize on the way out.

-John

 

[jackstar7]

The big problem is that multi-millionaires are in power. Put average Joe's in power and things will improve.

Average Joes was the WORST gym in the history of gyms. Them winning the dodgeball tournament was a joke. Why would you want them in charge of our nuclear arsenal and our trade agreements? Oh man... just so many reasons why that's a bad idea.

 

[her209]

Great speech by Obama. I thought it was better than the Tuscon speech. Funniest part was when Obama was talking about gays in the military and the camera cuts to the military leaders and Joint Chiefs and they're just stitting there stoic. I'm assuming they can't clap or show emotion which is why they just sat there.

 

[dmcowen674]

wtf did they not tell bachman where the camera was?

Two different cameras

 

[dmcowen674]

"...if a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it" and "...I’m asking Congress to eliminate the billions in taxpayer dollars we currently give to oil companies" were my favorites, almost as hilarious as when Bush said we were going to Mars.

It was the only mention of oil.

At least the hot red head said look at gas prices.

By the way up another 20 cents today, 45 cent raise in last two days, now have stations at $4.50 here. Will certainly be $6 by Memorial Day.

 

[Zebo]

That's what happens when you print up a few billion without assets or production matching what you printed. Blame Benny the B. But you have seen nothing yet. I'd look into a good mountain bike (roads are falling apart)


I'm with you David 100% this time drive for $5 is on.

 

[TalonStrike]

link to the full speech?

 

[dmcowen674]

link to the full speech?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/01/25/remarks-president-state-union-address

Full transcript of State of the Union Speech

 

[Hacp]

So basically it's investing in the future vs. cutting everything. Hmm... well, how about we do a bit of both? Can we close corporate tax loopholes and cut the billions we spend on building and maintaining enormous bombs designed to kill people AND invest in higher education and new scientific and technological breakthroughs?

You don't get it either. Raise taxes on corporations means they move jobs outside the US. Education doesn't matter. Its not like a US university produces better graduates than a University in India or China. They learn the same subjects. Corporations will have access to college graduates in those markets, even if they leave the US. You need to make the cost of doing business here lower. That's the key.

 

[IBMer]

You don't get it either. Raise taxes on corporations means they move jobs outside the US. Education doesn't matter. Its not like a US university produces better graduates than a University in India or China. They learn the same subjects. Corporations will have access to college graduates in those markets, even if they leave the US. You need to make the cost of doing business here lower. That's the key.

As much as I hate to say it, you are right. They do need to lower corporate taxes, (even though most don't really pay much at all). But something else they need to do is close the tax loophole for these 1 dollar CEO's making BILLIONS of dollars at an effective rate almost at the poverty level.

 

[shortylickens]

No, he actually said exactly the opposite. That he would work with Republicans in supporting legislation sponsored by them to enforce the law and protect our borders. They all the GOP-ers stood up.

They still won't do anything though. So whatever.. you people would sorely miss all the illegal $20/day-salaried Mexicans picking your fruits and veggies keeping our food costs down if they were all kicked out. Politicians have figured that out at least.

Ima have to call shens on the president. With his multiple campaign speeches made in spanish and fighting any state government who tries to actually deal with the invasion problem or enforce laws that the fed refuses to, I know damn well he wants them to stay here. Their kids (if born here) are automatic votes for Democrat down the line.

And I dunno what you mean by "you people" unless you are a Briton. I know damn well I have not benefited from illegals being here. I am not one of the rich white folks in Arlington who has mexican servants. I am one of the poor whites in Manassas who has to live right next to them. And they are not nearly as awesome as the ultra-libs make them out to be.

And they do NOT keep anything down in price. They just extend the profit margin for the rich whites who use them as indentured servants. In case you missed it inflation has been keeping a brisk pace all over the country. Shitty houses built by cheap mexican labor in particular are hideously overpriced. Just easy money for the development corporations.

But I do agree the government wont actually do anything. They are among the best employers of illegals. I was just curious as to Obamas official stance which seems to have taken a 180, and was surprised. I guess he's trying to appeal to more people.

 

[werepossum]

cliffnotes? Presidents always claim all this awesome stuff they want to get done, hardly any of it gets done unfortunately.

Or maybe I should just watch to not spoil anything?...hmmm

Sorry, been working an all-nighter so not visiting. What I liked:
Lower corporate taxes

Closing tax loopholes and simplifying tax code

Lauding America as a special nation - rather than a backward nation that hasn't embraced European-style socialism

Realistic summation of America's competition and problems with education (except left out dirt cheap Chinese labor)

None of us can predict with certainty . . . (One big problem I have with Obama is his apparent passion for Soviet-style, top-down central planning - this repudiates the concept that D.C. is in fact smarter than all of us.)

Linking research and education (at least, math and science) with innovation

Push for research in renewable energy, especially financed by removing oil company subsidies (I'll all for letting them drill wherever just as long as they post the funds for the clean-up, but subsidies?)

Grouping nuclear, natural gas, and clean coal with renewable energy

Race to the top in math and science (except I want to reward the winners, not those with plans to win given enough government money)

Freezing domestic discretionary spending at 2010 levels or five years (better to freeze at 2008 levels, but it's a start, and if we get honest value from the extra spending maybe we can grow our way out of deficit as in 1995 - 2000.)

Granted, there were things I didn't like, and the stuff I did like may well be no more than the lip service every President pays to things that poll well. But it struck me as a pretty un-Obama speech overall. (Granted I'm reading it, but who has time to listen to two hours when you can read it in ten minutes?) As always, the devil's in the details, but it gave me some measure of hope that Obama will pull a Clinton and move to the center. Assuming that the Republicans will meet him there, maybe we can at least stop digging deeper. Well, maybe at least slow down our digging acceleration.

 

[sandorski]

Good speech, balanced proposals.

 

[boomerang]

The State of the Union speech in 90 seconds.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/01/barack-obamas-state-of-union-speech-in.html

Bonus cartoon too.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

It was the only mention of oil.

At least the hot red head said look at gas prices.

By the way up another 20 cents today, 45 cent raise in last two days, now have stations at $4.50 here. Will certainly be $6 by Memorial Day.

You lie!!

http://www.chicagogasprices.com/

Crude oil and refined gas prices have been dropping for the last week.

 

[cKGunslinger]

The State of the Union speech in 90 seconds.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/01/barack-obamas-state-of-union-speech-in.html

And this is the reason why 99% of political satire and humor is left-leaning - the right absolutely sucks at it. :awe:

 

[PeshakJang]

By the way up another 20 cents today, 45 cent raise in last two days, now have stations at $4.50 here. Will certainly be $6 by Memorial Day.

The fuck you do. Take a picture of a $4.50 gas station. Highest prices downtown for premium are like $3.80-3.90, and averages have been falling.

 

[rcpratt]

Grouping nuclear, natural gas, and clean coal with renewable energy

Two of those things are not like the other.