President Obama 2011 State of the Union speech thread

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sandorski

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Largely. Mandates make up a huge proportion of budgets. In NY the single biggest item is Medicaid and still growing is mandated.

The cost of federal compliance is incredible, and constitutes a very large portion of a states budget. When you hear "cutting the federal budget" that is polispeak for "we're going to have the states pick up the tab".

All well and good, however it appears to be a Tax Revenue shortfall at the State level. Unless you have some info on it, I'll have to just assume you're pulling things out of your ass.
 

Craig234

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Yah...I caught a couple of those mentioned.



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He sure is charismatic when he's reading those teleprompters though.

The teleprompter attack is is sort of 'you're confessing to be an idiot' in one sentence.

The 'charisma' 'attack' is little better.

Freezing spending totals and redoubling efforts in specific areas is not inconsistent. You cut something else.

So, he made a proposal last year that didn't pass. He can't push it again?
 

werepossum

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The problem with solar is the cost to implement. Obama made a lot of comments about the roofing guys making a business out of solar roofing tiles but he didn't reveal how much of that is subsidized by the government and how much it cost taxpayers.
So true. I did a payback analysis a year or so ago for solar power sufficient to go completely off the grid; the answer was never, without subsidies, even before we consider the cost of batteries and inverters. The technology is mature enough to make a big dent in our peak energy requirements with solar - break even or better for solar on a typical one family home on the grid - but the manufacturing has to evolve to a lower energy, lower cost method. Right now there is no payback even for simple on-grid metered solar panel installations without government taking money from someone else and giving it to you. I think we're close, though. When we can cut the cost per KWH in half, we'll start seeing lots more solar installations and corresponding cuts in oil usage.
 

CanOWorms

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What's fascinating is the distinct lack of references to our so-called traditional European allies. I think that Russia is the only European country he specifically named. I think this should cement in everyone's mind that Obama is truly reorienting American foreign relations.
 
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What's fascinating is the distinct lack of references to our so-called traditional European allies. I think that Russia is the only European country he specifically named. I think this should cement in everyone's mind that Obama is truly reorienting American foreign relations.

It was the State of the Union, as in the Union of the States, not the European Union. I'm not surprised that he didn't bring Europe up beyond Russia - and the only reason he brought Russia up was because of the New START.

But whatever, you have an anti-Europe hardon. Carry on.
 

Darwin333

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Seriously?

I haven't heard from the Palin in a while, but it appears she really does become less intelligent with each appearance she makes. And considering from where she began, I'm not sure how much she has left to give.. :hmm:

LMAO

The "WTF State of the Union speech"
 

Hayabusa Rider

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All well and good, however it appears to be a Tax Revenue shortfall at the State level. Unless you have some info on it, I'll have to just assume you're pulling things out of your ass.

That's ok. Since this is commonly known and you are sidestepping the issue I'll just assume you are being the ass that people are pulling things from. You could easily have verified what NY pays on medicaid but decided not to.
 

sandorski

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That's ok. Since this is commonly known and you are sidestepping the issue I'll just assume you are being the ass that people are pulling things from. You could easily have verified what NY pays on medicaid but decided not to.

Unfunded programs are commonly known, yes. This is not why NC is cutting now though. They have a Tax Revenue shortfall due to high Unemployment and the poor Economy.
 

Mathlete

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I'll give you my top 8... Ronald Reagan.

-John

Sorry but I don't believe in 86 Reagan gave a SOTU. I believe that the night he was going to give the SOTU the Challanger exploded and he addressed that. I could be wrong.

Edit: Never mind, I guess he gave it a week later.
 
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