President Obama's 23 orders concerning firearms

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*kjm

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Yeah and it only took a half dozen or so to do it!

Your in Madison Wi the deer hunting capital of WI and I would bet almost 80% of homes have the weapons we are talking about. Do you feel unsafe, are you willing to make all the people we are talking about that have never been in any trouble ever law breakers?
 

Matt1970

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However, your first response left a lot to be desired. You demontrate a blind spot when it comes to escessive violence in games. The escalation of game graphic violence is going to draw a political response just as it did with assault arms Minors buying and immersing in games that glorify violence andt the despersonalization of other human beings. All the game industry had done is use the old three monkeys -see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil since Sandy Hook. Violence in modern games is a serious issue and deserves airing but nobody wants to take a litte heat.

That's still the same problem, just a different symptom. Until we fix the problems we are just going to end up with different things to blame and new laws to protect society from the “causes”. The problem is society and the values or lack thereof people have today. If someone never had the value of human life instilled into them then sure a video game can cause them to act out the very scenarios portrayed in the game, but just think of how many millions play those games that don’t act out the scenarios.
 
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Why wouldn't it say police officer?

Here, SRO's are uniformed city police officers that are assigned to the school. Handle security, traffic duty, etc. It's a full time job by a regular cop in a regular squad car. Instead of driving to the station in the morning, he just drives to the school. I know some, and they are generally the older, experienced guys.

Not a cut to the guys that do it, but it's not quite the normal routine of a regular patrolman. However, they have to attend all sporting events as well, so not just the 8-3 type hours.
 
Jan 25, 2011
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Your in Madison Wi the deer hunting capital of WI and I would bet almost 80% of homes have the weapons we are talking about. Do you feel unsafe, are you willing to make all the people we are talking about that have never been in any trouble ever law breakers?

Wisconsin has also had six mass shootings in the last 8 years. I cringed when I read this line from an article after reading your post.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/183548731.html

In November 2004, six people were killed when 35-year-old Hmong immigrant Chai Vang shot eight people while deer hunting in northern Wisconsin.

Some in Wisconsin just might feel safer.
 

Doppel

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Feb 5, 2011
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The pro-gun I've always seen are basically of the view that

1) Do not limit my access to anything because I'm not a homicidal nut case
2) Limit access to homicidal nutcases

Every time a crazy fuck does something crazy it threatens access to weapons by the non-crazies.

Most of what I saw on Obama's list seems like a decent idea. I have no idea how much of it, if any of it, will truly help, but seriously there really are no major penalties for straw purchases? Shameful. IMO, you're an arms trafficker if you're knowingly buying a gun for somebody who would fail a background check and that shit must be punished harshly.

What isn't on his list, which is less likely to help, is banning weapons based on how they look or how many rounds in a mag. He does want congress to do this, though. It's unlikely to do anything at all.

Ensuring background checks are done on all legal gun purchases certainly seems like it would limit access to guns to crazies only, since the majority of gun murders are by people who didn't even get it legally (I think I saw that pie chart on wiki).

What he's outlined I don't think is a problem for pretty much all gun owners. What he wants to do (limit AR and mags) is, and it won't help.

The research is a good idea, knowledge is power and research should always be expanded in important issues.
 

Matt1970

Lifer
Mar 19, 2007
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Here, SRO's are uniformed city police officers that are assigned to the school. Handle security, traffic duty, etc. It's a full time job by a regular cop in a regular squad car. Instead of driving to the station in the morning, he just drives to the school. I know some, and they are generally the older, experienced guys.

Not a cut to the guys that do it, but it's not quite the normal routine of a regular patrolman. However, they have to attend all sporting events as well, so not just the 8-3 type hours.

We had one in our school too. He was just known as the narc but his official title was Liaison Officer. We also had a Vice Principal and another staff member that were reserve Sheriffs so we had that end covered.
 

*kjm

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Wisconsin has also had six mass shootings in the last 8 years. I cringed when I read this line from an article after reading your post.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/183548731.html



Some in Wisconsin just might feel safer.

In your link if the laws would have been enforced would it have happened? If someone had a concealed carry what then?

As for the 2004 incident he was from out of state hunting on private land without permission and all hell broke loose…. Again he was in the wrong.

One other thing is you’re not a US citizen so I don’t care what you think…. I’m a vet and I think I have more input than you do.
 

*kjm

Platinum Member
Oct 11, 1999
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The pro-gun I've always seen are basically of the view that

1) Do not limit my access to anything because I'm not a homicidal nut case
2) Limit access to homicidal nutcases

Every time a crazy fuck does something crazy it threatens access to weapons by the non-crazies.

Most of what I saw on Obama's list seems like a decent idea. I have no idea how much of it, if any of it, will truly help, but seriously there really are no major penalties for straw purchases? Shameful. IMO, you're an arms trafficker if you're knowingly buying a gun for somebody who would fail a background check and that shit must be punished harshly.

What isn't on his list, which is less likely to help, is banning weapons based on how they look or how many rounds in a mag. He does want congress to do this, though. It's unlikely to do anything at all.

Ensuring background checks are done on all legal gun purchases certainly seems like it would limit access to guns to crazies only, since the majority of gun murders are by people who didn't even get it legally (I think I saw that pie chart on wiki).

What he's outlined I don't think is a problem for pretty much all gun owners. What he wants to do (limit AR and mags) is, and it won't help.

The research is a good idea, knowledge is power and research should always be expanded in important issues.

Only thing is any one that is a law abiding person is not going to hurt anyone with their weapon unless forced to. Police want high power weapons because the bad guys have them and I approve.... but bad guys have them and I want the same rights as the Police to protect my family.
 

exdeath

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What he's outlined I don't think is a problem for pretty much all gun owners. What he wants to do (ban AR and mags) is, and it won't help.

FTFY

Don't use "limit" and "ban" interchangeably. One implies there is still eventual access, one prohibits access entirely for now and forever. One is worse than the other.
 

exdeath

Lifer
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However, your first response left a lot to be desired. You demontrate a blind spot when it comes to escessive violence in games. The escalation of game graphic violence is going to draw a political response just as it did with assault arms Minors buying and immersing in games that glorify violence andt the despersonalization of other human beings. All the game industry had done is use the old three monkeys -see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil since Sandy Hook. Violence in modern games is a serious issue and deserves airing but nobody wants to take a litte heat.

One good I can see of this: will Call of Duty finally get shit canned? God we can only hope. Time to make some other types of video games again yay! Think anybody remembers how to make anything other than a first person military shooter?
 

*kjm

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One good I can see of this: will Call of Duty finally get shit canned? God we can only hope. Time to make some other types of video games again yay! Think anybody remembers how to make anything other than a first person military shooter?

And only 10 mil of our money do get it done:'(
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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The left bashes the NRA for saying "Good Guy with a gun" but then praises Obama for using one of it's suggestions.

Crazy how that works. To think reasonable people take ideas from different sources to come up with reasonable solutions. The left bashes the NRA because that's the only solution it ever offers, "anything to sell more guns and ammo" is their motto.

Why didn't he do these things 4 years ago instead of waiting till now and standing on the graves of children to do them? Could it be that he wanted to wait till after his election? Could it be that he was a bit worried that a push for these gun control items might cost him and his political allies an election? Could it be that this is/was a cynical political ploy?

Why yes, yes it is and it's pretty routine for Obama and his lickspittle supporters to act this way.

It looks like the resident conspiracy nut has found a new conspiracy!
 

micrometers

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Do you guys realize that Obama is basically enforcing existing laws more effectively? This is EXACTLY what the NRA always says needs to be done. Don't pass new laws. Enforce existing laws better.
 

Ausm

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Your in Madison Wi the deer hunting capital of WI and I would bet almost 80% of homes have the weapons we are talking about. Do you feel unsafe, are you willing to make all the people we are talking about that have never been in any trouble ever law breakers?

Where and when have I said I want to persecute law abiding gun owning citizens?
 

Doppel

Lifer
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One good I can see of this: will Call of Duty finally get shit canned? God we can only hope. Time to make some other types of video games again yay! Think anybody remembers how to make anything other than a first person military shooter?
Would you give up all your guns if the gaming industry was wholesale banned from CoD and clones like it?
 
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The problem with these orders are simple: There are 0 Specifics. This is going to be a big brother judgement on you - instead of simply identifying what rules/regulations are being enacted.
 

Genx87

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/obama-to-announce-gun-control-proposals-shortly/?hpt=hp_c1

I don't see anything in the list that takes rights away from law abiding citizens.

They seem sensible to me and should have been enacted long ago.

I wish he would do more stuff like this on other issues.

Thanks for the link. I couldnt find the actual list yesterday. These all seem sensible enough on the surface. I also support a background check on all weapon sales regardless if it is a private sale. I dont support the AWB or 10 round magazine idea.
 

exdeath

Lifer
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Would you give up all your guns if the gaming industry was wholesale banned from CoD and clones like it?

Nope.

I don't believe a game should be banned either, I was just taking a cheap shot at the scourge of the game industry.
 
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