See I don't think it's about the debate one bit. I think it's just a p.r. stunt by Paul to drum up publicity and play up the outsider angle. Of course like most political stunts, the lemmings are eating it up so it's probably going to work.
Originally posted by: Fern
Otherwise, IMO, it's not a big deal as many make out. We've had a bazillion debates so far, most sucked. The people who caucus SURELY already know RP, they're all political junkies of the higherst order. I can't see where a debate at this late date is gonna do much (unless a candidate totally fscks it up).
Fern
Originally posted by: BoomerD
So, since this story has apparently been proven to be false, what's so urgent? Are the RP nutjobs going to continue to bombard Faux with calls and emails over something that only exists in their minds?
Originally posted by: BoomerD
So, since this story has apparently been proven to be false, what's so urgent? Are the RP nutjobs going to continue to bombard Faux with calls and emails over something that only exists in their minds?
Originally posted by: Sinsear
Originally posted by: BoomerD
So, since this story has apparently been proven to be false, what's so urgent? Are the RP nutjobs going to continue to bombard Faux with calls and emails over something that only exists in their minds?
You mean to tell me there is no vast conspiracy to keep Ron Paul from being heard? :laugh:
Originally posted by: BoomerD
So, since this story has apparently been proven to be false, what's so urgent? Are the RP nutjobs going to continue to bombard Faux with calls and emails over something that only exists in their minds?
Has Fox News Excluded Ron Paul? pt. 2
On December 27, the Associated Press reported: "The New Hampshire Republican Party is sponsoring a forum for Republican presidential candidates on Jan. 6, two days before the state's first-in-the-nation primary." Later in the article, the AP stated: "Participating in the forum will be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson."
On the evening of December 28, Jared Chicoine and Jordan Brown of our New Hampshire campaign staff, met in person with Fergus Cullen the New Hampshire GOP chairman to discuss whether or not Dr. Paul would be invited to participate in the presidential candidates forum scheduled for January 6. Mr. Cullen confirmed there will be an event on January 6, but he could not confirm whether or not Dr. Paul would be invited. We also learned the event would not be a debate with an audience, as has been held previously, but instead would be a forum in a closed studio with the candidates questioned only by Chris Wallace of Fox News.
A few hours after that meeting, we contacted Fox News seeking clarification. Later that night, we issued a press release while waiting to hear from Fox News.
On December 29, the Baltimore Sun featured a report by Jason George. Mr. George reported, "Calls and emails to Fox News spokespersons by the Tribune were not returned Saturday evening.
"An official at the New Hampshire GOP, which is co-sponsoring the event with Fox, said that Paul might still be included, but the planning for the debate was still coming together and it was ultimately Fox's call."
As of late afternoon today (December 30), we have nothing more to report.
Kent Snyder
Chairman, Ron Paul 2008
Has Fox News Excluded Ron Paul? pt. 3 (12/31/07)
Fergus Cullen, chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party, issued a press release this afternoon about Fox News' presidential candidates forum scheduled for January 6. His release is below.
We thank Mr. Cullen for his statement today and for his efforts with Fox News.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Date: December 31, 2007
Contact: Fergus Cullen, Chairman, New Hampshire Republican Party
NH REPUBLICANS: DON?T LIMIT DEBATE PARTICIPANTS
CONCORD ? New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen releases the following statement regarding primary weekend debates:
?Limiting the number of candidates who are invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first in the nation primary. The level playing field requires that all candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate ? not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast.?
?Therefore, the New Hampshire Republican Party calls upon all media organizations planning pre-primary debates or forums for both parties to include all recognized major candidates in their events.?
?The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.?
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why the need for discussions?
Point blank:
All Republican candiates that have registered with the FEC are invited to participate.
How much more simple does it have to be?
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why the need for discussions?
Point blank:
All Republican candiates that have registered with the FEC are invited to participate.
How much more simple does it have to be?
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why the need for discussions?
Point blank:
All Republican candiates that have registered with the FEC are invited to participate.
How much more simple does it have to be?
Tell that to Fox news.
This is the problem. The NH Republican party should come straight out and state that any candicate will be accepted.?The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.?
The movement will stall just like it did after Perot lost.
if the stage is too crowded, it's hard for any one candidate to make an impression.
OTOH, if it's too exclusive, what's the point?
it's a fine line to walk, though personally, I'd have just set an arbitrary standard of the top 5 national candidates or something along those lines.
it's interesting to compare the D debates, where you've really only got 3 major players (much as I <3 Biden and Richardson, they're really just props) versus the R debates, where it's like a 7-man clusterfuck.
Originally posted by: Perry404
Update from Ron Paul headquarters.
Has Fox News Excluded Ron Paul? pt. 2
On December 27, the Associated Press reported: "The New Hampshire Republican Party is sponsoring a forum for Republican presidential candidates on Jan. 6, two days before the state's first-in-the-nation primary." Later in the article, the AP stated: "Participating in the forum will be Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson."
On the evening of December 28, Jared Chicoine and Jordan Brown of our New Hampshire campaign staff, met in person with Fergus Cullen the New Hampshire GOP chairman to discuss whether or not Dr. Paul would be invited to participate in the presidential candidates forum scheduled for January 6. Mr. Cullen confirmed there will be an event on January 6, but he could not confirm whether or not Dr. Paul would be invited. We also learned the event would not be a debate with an audience, as has been held previously, but instead would be a forum in a closed studio with the candidates questioned only by Chris Wallace of Fox News.
A few hours after that meeting, we contacted Fox News seeking clarification. Later that night, we issued a press release while waiting to hear from Fox News.
On December 29, the Baltimore Sun featured a report by Jason George. Mr. George reported, "Calls and emails to Fox News spokespersons by the Tribune were not returned Saturday evening.
"An official at the New Hampshire GOP, which is co-sponsoring the event with Fox, said that Paul might still be included, but the planning for the debate was still coming together and it was ultimately Fox's call."
As of late afternoon today (December 30), we have nothing more to report.
Kent Snyder
Chairman, Ron Paul 2008
Source: RonPaul2008.com
Originally posted by: OokiiNeko
CSG said:The movement will stall just like it did after Perot lost.
Wrong. Flat out wrong. The enthusiasm died when Perot dropped out of the race.
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Why the need for discussions?
Point blank:
All Republican candiates that have registered with the FEC are invited to participate.
How much more simple does it have to be?
Tell that to Fox news.This is the problem. The NH Republican party should come straight out and state that any candicate will be accepted.?The New Hampshire Republican Party has notified FOX News of our position, and we are in ongoing discussions with FOX News about having as many candidates as possible participate in the forum scheduled for January 6.?
They shouild control the event, not Fox.
By stating they are in discussions, they are giving up control and allowing Fox to dictate the terms.
Fox should be allowed to broadcast the debate, not control it.
By having discussions, both sides can then point the finger when something like this happens.
NASHUA, N.H.--An online protest is growing over presidential candidate Ron Paul's exclusion from a Fox News debate here on Sunday, even though other Republicans receiving fewer votes in Iowa or scoring lower in the polls were invited.
Paul received a fifth-place 10 percent of the GOP vote in Iowa's caucus Thursday, ahead of Rudy Giuliani, who received 3.5 percent. He's also ahead of Fred Thompson in New Hampshire polls, polling 7 percent to Thompson's 2 percent.
But both Giuliani and Thompson still appear to be invited to Sunday evening's debate sponsored by Fox News and the New Hampshire Republican Party. Paul isn't.
That's irked many Paul supporters, who responded by flooding a Fox News Web page on the debate with over 580 comments and creating a "Protest Fox" Web site. It says: "We need to send a message to Fox's Rupert Murdoch & his fellow Neocon buddies that he is not Musharraf and the US is not Pakistan, yet! Fox News cannot just stifle public opinion. debate and impact a primary election by excluding Ron Paul just because they don't like his message of freedom and liberty."
They're also planning protests outside Fox News affiliates. Another likely protest site is Saint Anselm College in Manchester, N.H., which has given Fox News space for a broadcast studio. That's where Sunday's debate will take place.
So why the exclusion? It's hard to say, and Fox News hasn't exactly been forthcoming on this point.
For his part, Paul said he thinks it's because he--alone among Republican candidates--opposes the war in Iraq. After being excluded, Paul explained that he views Fox News as a "propagandist" for the war with editorial views that are hardly in keeping with traditional conservative limited-government principles, according to a story by the Boston Globe.
Adding to the intrigue is that the New Hampshire Republican Party, which is co-sponsoring the debate and presumably has some say in who's invited, published a statement this week saying the media should not be in the "business of excluding serious candidates and talks were continuing with Fox."
And adding to the insult, at least for Paul supporters, is that ABC News is sponsoring a debate at the same place--Saint Anselm College--the evening before. Unlike the Fox News debate on Sunday, however, Ron Paul will be invited to participate.
We need to send a message to Fox's Rupert Murdoch & his fellow Neocon buddies that he is not Musharraf and the US is not Pakistan, yet!
Originally posted by: loki8481
We need to send a message to Fox's Rupert Murdoch & his fellow Neocon buddies that he is not Musharraf and the US is not Pakistan, yet!
libertarian respect for private enterprises indeed.
if fox wants to exclude RP, that's their right.
it's also RP supporter's right to not watch and lower their ratings.
Originally posted by: KarmaPolice
If there was a rule saying that if he didn't get a high enough percent in Iowa he can't get in, or if he isn't polling well enough then he can't either, I would understand..kinda...but it doesn't make any sense. He finished ahead of Guiliani, and he is invited, doesn't matter if he didn't try to get the state or not, no one knows if he would have done well or not