Prey Benchmarks Are In!

[BFG10K]

I guess all of ATi's OpenGL work has paid off - keep an eye on the minimum framerate between the X1900XTX and the 7900GTX - ATi is usually significantly faster when AA & AF are enabled.

Click.

(The site must be getting hammered so it's a bit slow at the moment).

 

[ElFenix]

using 6.6 cats?

 

[BFG10K]

The test page says 6.5.

 

[mylok]

nope using 6.5

 

[josh6079]

Hm....interesting. Thanks for the find.

 

[Gautama2]

And yet, the 360 demo isnt out yet /cry

 

[Powermoloch]

Neat :thumbsup:

 

[Elfear]

Thanks for the link. Seems like everyone has been waiting for Prey benchmarks for very long time. I do find it a bit ironic that one of the major games that people recommended getting a 7900GT/GTX over an X1900XT/XTX for, turned out to run faster on the latter.

 

[Shamrock]

If you'll notice in the setup page, they dont even list a 7900GTX...why? did they use the standard 1300mhz reference design? Why not also use a 7950GTX? Why did they not use 2 7900GTX's in the SLi benchmark (even though it wouldnt be benched against ATi). It's just a demo, dont get your undies in a bunch. I'm not discrediting the ATi card, I just want to see real world benches, not benches with left out variables, left out top end cards, etc. Give them an EVGA 7900GTX Signature, or a 7950GTX.

there are so many variables about this, that it's not even worth visiting.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
If you'll notice in the setup page, they dont even list a 7900GTX...why? did they use the standard 1300mhz reference design? Why not also use a 7950GTX? Why did they not use 2 7900GTX's in the SLi benchmark (even though it wouldnt be benched against ATi). It's just a demo, dont get your undies in a bunch. I'm not discrediting the ATi card, I just want to see real world benches, not benches with left out variables, left out top end cards, etc. Give them an EVGA 7900GTX Signature, or a 7950GTX.

there are so many variables about this, that it's not even worth visiting.

i'm going to guess that the 7900GTX isn't in the setup page because they're sloppy.

i'm going to guess there isn't a 7950GTX because they don't have one.

with the frame rates capped at 60 fps sli benches on anything faster than a 7600gt are probable pointless.

 

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
If you'll notice in the setup page, they dont even list a 7900GTX...why? did they use the standard 1300mhz reference design? Why not also use a 7950GTX? Why did they not use 2 7900GTX's in the SLi benchmark (even though it wouldnt be benched against ATi). It's just a demo, dont get your undies in a bunch. I'm not discrediting the ATi card, I just want to see real world benches, not benches with left out variables, left out top end cards, etc. Give them an EVGA 7900GTX Signature, or a 7950GTX.

there are so many variables about this, that it's not even worth visiting.

It's digital wanderer's second home after B3D and chock full of fanatics - what did you expect?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's digital wanderer's second home after B3D and chock full of fanatics - what did you expect?

:roll:

The point is to show that ATI's OpenGL performance has improved dramatically.

Originally posted by: ElFenix
Give them an EVGA 7900GTX Signature...

Why? The 7900GTX Signature is just a factory overclocked model of the original 7900GTX. It is a fair comparison since they kept a plain 7900GTX and a plain X1900XTX.

...or a 7950GTX.

7950GX2? I agree, it should be in that bench if they are comparing high end cards.

If you'll notice in the setup page, they dont even list a 7900GTX...

In the setup page they don't (I agree, that needs to be stated in there if they are going to indeed test it) but in the charts it is there. What other card could they be testing against the X1900 and get that close?

 

[Gstanfor]

The point is to show that ATI's OpenGL performance has improved dramatically

It would hardly be possible for it to deteriorate much further so it had no place to go but up...

Personally I suspect Humus has been at the old shader replacement thing again - worked for Doom3...

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

The point is to show that ATI's OpenGL performance has improved dramatically

It would hardly be possible for it to deteriorate much further so it had no place to go but up...

I'll take as a pathetic way to make an agreement.

Stop trying to ignite things Gstandfor, we're soley interested in the new improvments here and it is always good to see companies improving their products, green or red.

 

[Hanners]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
If you'll notice in the setup page, they dont even list a 7900GTX...why? did they use the standard 1300mhz reference design? Why not also use a 7950GTX? Why did they not use 2 7900GTX's in the SLi benchmark (even though it wouldnt be benched against ATi). It's just a demo, dont get your undies in a bunch. I'm not discrediting the ATi card, I just want to see real world benches, not benches with left out variables, left out top end cards, etc. Give them an EVGA 7900GTX Signature, or a 7950GTX.

Good spot, I did miss the GeForce 7900 GTX out of my list of boards - For info though, yes, it's running at reference clock speed.

I didn't use a GeForce 7950 GTX, because they don't exist. I didn't use a GeForce 7950 GX2 because I don't have one, sadly. Nor do I have two GeForce 7900 GTX's to run in SLI.

Finally, yes, please send me more 7900 GTXs or 7950 GX2s!!

 

[Hanners]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It's digital wanderer's second home after B3D and chock full of fanatics - what did you expect?

Certainly some hot pot/kettle action going on in this post!

First, digitalwanderer didn't write the article. Secondly, Elite Bastards is anything but 'chock full of fanatics' - We have a few naturally, but not on staff and pretty evenly spread between NVIDIA and ATI. As you'd know if you actually ever visited, rather than making unfounded assumptions.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

The point is to show that ATI's OpenGL performance has improved dramatically

It would hardly be possible for it to deteriorate much further so it had no place to go but up...

I'll take as a pathetic way to make an agreement.

Stop trying to ignite things Gstandfor, we're soley interested in the new improvments here and it is always good to see companies improving their products, green or red.

He's a troll, you shouldn't expect much out of him.

 

[Gstanfor]

What makes you think I've never visited Hanners?

 

[BFG10K]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
It would hardly be possible for it to deteriorate much further so it had no place to go but up...

Must you troll in every thread you participate in?

Personally I suspect Humus has been at the old shader replacement thing again

That's quite an interesting theory given 6.5 pre-dates Prey.

This would therefore be unlike Tomb Raider (and many other harped TWIMTBP titles) where nVidia has to rush emergency beta drivers because they can't even meet basic rendering requirements like a stutter-free experience for user. :roll:

 

[BFG10K]

Give them an EVGA 7900GTX Signature,

I can understand requesting SLI benchmarks but why are we asking to bench single pre-overclocked nVidia cards against stock ATi cards?

Is it because nVidia is beaten at reference so we have to make things "fair" for them?

 

[Gstanfor]

That's quite an interesting theory given 6.5 pre-dates Prey.

This would therefore be unlike Tomb Raider (and many other harped TWIMTBP titles) where nVidia has to rush emergency beta drivers because they can't even meet basic rendering requirements like a stutter-free experience for user.

Well, the theory is based arount the supposition thai ATi has a dev-rel department and they get to see games prior to release (yes, I know, the real evidence that ATi has a dev-rel department is the HL2 shaders they wrote for valve, but still...)

As for nvidia, surely you don't need me to point out that their driver releases coincide with (a) new hardware, or (b) new games?

 

[LW07]

I'm really impressed with how the X1900XTX can handle 2048*1536 with 4xAA and 8xAF. And this is only the Demo! So the Full version should be even better! I am just impressed.
I got an X1900XT myself, so I should get performance really close to that, maybe a couple of frames slower in the minimum or average frame rates, but it should perform just about the same as that X1900XTX overall.

It's even better that they're using a more mainstream system with an Athlon 64 3500+ and 1 gig of ram, so we can get a more accurate idea about what our performance will be.

 

[BFG10K]

Well, the theory is based arount the supposition thai ATi has a dev-rel department and they get to see games prior to release

Quite the opposite actually - in the example of Oblivion ATi never got their hands on it until they purchased it retail off the shelves, yet their drivers ran the game well straight out of the gate.

Tomb Raider OTOH was TWIMTBP and with that label we'd expect nVidia driver programmers to be involved throughout the development process of the game, yet all we got was emergency beta drivers. I'd like to know just what happened to this "involvement" nVidia PR parrots.

(yes, I know, the real evidence that ATi has a dev-rel department is the HL2 shaders they wrote for valve

I'm still waiting for evidence from to prove this.

And no, "search the B3D forums" is not evidence.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

The point is to show that ATI's OpenGL performance has improved dramatically

It would hardly be possible for it to deteriorate much further so it had no place to go but up...

Personally I suspect Humus has been at the old shader replacement thing again - worked for Doom3...

Are you gonna do this in every benchmark thread? It is clear that you have no interest in discussion, just an interest in igniting flames. Why?
The XTX makes a nice showing here. May be better with Cat 6.6's.
I would like to see a better benchmark analysis myself, but I'm not going to discredit it just because the XTX did better.

 

[Gstanfor]

Why doesn't the Oblivion situation suprise me in the slightest? Sounds like normal operation for ATi dev-rel to me.

I don't know what you are fussing about with Tomb Raider, the demo worked just fine for me on my 6800, I'll let you know if anything changes when I install the 7900 tommorow, but I rather doubt it will (referring to your Ars "different render paths between nv4x/g7x here ). Perhaps you need to tune up your pc a little instead of blaming everything on drivers?

At any rate all nvidia (and presumably ATi when they aren't paid to code shaders) can do is advise the programmers, there is no guarantee the advice will be heeded, and some developers just seem to use TWIMTBP as a label.