Prey benchmarks [techpowerup]

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amenx

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Looks like at 1:37 Nvidia is not rendring most of the lighting in the room (table, floor,..). Bug or cheating?
(The vid uploader) BoostClock: "Just double-checked the differences I reported above: the dull room lighting with the GTX1060 is definitely caused by the orbit of the space station and the sun position. Sorry about the confusion!"

giantmonkey101: the game uses day and night cycles ........so the lighting can change
 
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Raduque

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Hmm... 106fps at max settings 1080p on a desktop 970. My overclocked mobile 970 should easily give me 75fps with the AA turned down a bit. Looks promising!
 

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Okay so I've played the game and when you have "game mode" enable in the latest windows creators update, it seems to cause stutters as the CPU usage is really weird. I've tested this only on the latest drivers though, though I've found the same problem with older drivers as well with The Witcher 3, with game mode on there are stutters.

With game mode off there are no issues with Prey or The Witcher 3.
 

Phynaz

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(The vid uploader) BoostClock: "Just double-checked the differences I reported above: the dull room lighting with the GTX1060 is definitely caused by the orbit of the space station and the sun position. Sorry about the confusion!"

giantmonkey101: the game uses day and night cycles ........so the lighting can change

Oh no, Nvidia isn't cheating!

/s
 

beginner99

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That is an interesting read, even on a gtx1080 there is stutter. That the driver specially for the game causes more stutter than the old one is strange. Use the Geforce driver 381.89 WHQL is the advice.

It delivers higher fps and that's what reviewers will show in their graphs and drive sales. Who cares about user experience?
Typical NV tactic.
 

Head1985

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GTX1080 27-30% faster than 1070
GTX1080TI 30-35% faster than 1080
TITANXP 6% faster than 1080TI.

1080TI 70-75%faster than 1070
TITANXP 85% faster than 1070

It will be interesting to see volta x70 card.How Nv want match TITANXP if its 85% faster than GTX1070 when GTX1070 manages only 50% increase from GTX970 and it was on new node?Either volta x70 will bring best performance gain in history or nv wont make it this time with x70 card tie old high end.
 
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And maybe that explains the huge variation int eh benches where the RX 580 clearly beats the GTX 1060 from clearly losing to it.

That is an interesting theory. If there is no daylight, one would assume there is less need for light calculations. Especially dynamic lighting when there is for example light falling through a rotating fan. Or the light angle constantly changes because of the camera position. If there is culling beforehand doing the Light and shadow calculations depending on the day and night cycle there would be some variation.
But that would be easily provable because gpu cards from both manufacturers would see the a difference in fps if so depending on night or day time.
 

Jason Ives

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Should probably ask the reviewer why all benchmarks weren't run at the same time of day since there is so much less lighting to render/calculate. You have to ask yourself how they didn't notice this while benchmarking or how they failed to consider it might make a difference in the results.
 

tamz_msc

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Should probably ask the reviewer why all benchmarks weren't run at the same time of day since there is so much less lighting to render/calculate. You have to ask yourself how they didn't notice this while benchmarking or how they failed to consider it might make a difference in the results.
There difference was caused by a spacecraft orbiting externally occluding the light source, not due to a day/night cycle.
 

amenx

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Should probably ask the reviewer why all benchmarks weren't run at the same time of day since there is so much less lighting to render/calculate. You have to ask yourself how they didn't notice this while benchmarking or how they failed to consider it might make a difference in the results.
Not sure why this vid is getting all this attention. Its one small youtuber with 386 subscribers doing 1 vs 1 cards. You want something more substantive or 'professional' see the TPU review.
 

tamz_msc

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Not sure why this vid is getting all this attention. Its one small youtuber with 386 subscribers doing 1 vs 1 cards. You want something more substantive or 'professional' see the TPU review.
Because this 'small' reviewer replicated the findings of a professional website like PCGH.de regarding stuttering and frame time issues on the NVIDIA 382.05 driver?
 

Bacon1

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Because this 'small' reviewer replicated the findings of a professional website like PCGH.de regarding stuttering and frame time issues on the NVIDIA 382.05 driver?

Not to mention sites like Computerbase / PCGH constantly find IQ issues and report on them while I don't think I've ever seen sites like TPU report on those issues let alone notice them during testing. Feel like they don't even watch their own benchmarks running or play the game but just script it.
 
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amenx

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So reverting to 381.89 resolves this. OK. Usually guru3d do performance reviews for big games with FCAT charts. Was wondering why they havent done one for Prey yet. Probably know its driver related and are waiting for new driver. Whatever, since its driver related, looks like a very temporary issue with an immediate work-around for time being. Wow, what a scandal.
 
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So reverting to 381.89 resolves this. OK. Usually guru3d do performance reviews for big games with FCAT charts. Was wondering why they havent done one for Prey yet. Probably know its driver related and are waiting for new driver. Whatever, since its driver related, looks like a very temporary issue with an immediate work-around for time being. Wow, what a scandal.

The assumption is that the game ready driver seems to give a few percent more fps at the expense of stutter. Uninformed people might make the wrong assumption with regard to maximum fps. Then again, the game runs great with every pretty modern video card. So, using or not using the game ready driver is a non issue. But marketing...
 

Head1985

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Not to mention sites like Computerbase / PCGH constantly find IQ issues and report on them while I don't think I've ever seen sites like TPU report on those issues let alone notice them during testing. Feel like they don't even watch their own benchmarks running or play the game but just script it.
Yes big sites are worst.Btw who do you think find out about GTX970 3,5GB?It was people on our little czech forum then we report it to bigger forums and rest story you already know.
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Head1985

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Yikes, that thread. So much denial in the face of data
Yeah its funny read it now Point is big sites usually run 30s benchmark and dont care about anything.Some youtubers or sites like pcgameshardware have much better in depth reviews.Thats why they found stuttering.
On other side even they didnt found that about GTX970.But they probably dont run test with afterburner OSD.We found it about GTX970 because it never goes above 3.4-3.6GB at that time so we talked about it with other people with GTX970 and GTX980 and we started testing and we made conclusion that its not 256bit card and it cant utilize 4GB ram like GTX980 can.It was just like GTX660TI.
I think most close was techreport because 970 was much slower in pixel fillrate than it should be.Because 970 have less rops.

btw same thing is with GTX1070 its also much slower in pixel fillrate than it should be on paper because it missing whole GPC.But rops are there in this time(so its 8GB 256bit) but pixel fillrate is at 48rops peak rate because that missing GPC.
 
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Guru

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There is no issue with the new drivers, its an issue with game mode on windows with the new creators update. If they disable the stupid feature, it won't cause stutters.

Its a problem in several games. Its useless regardless as the gains are like 1-2fps, literally worthless.

Its a lot more effective to get a light and lean antivirus for example, than use game mode. Also remove needless background applications and you would easily gain 3-4fps no game mode needed.
 
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amenx

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Yikes, that thread. So much denial in the face of data
Yeah, a thread closed by mod for beating dead horse. An issue that, again, resolved by driver updates and no repeat of the memory problem beyond what would affect the GPU power of similar tier/vram cards. You would think the 970 never would have went on to be NVs biggest seller well after the initial reports had the issue continued afterwards. Nevertheless, interesting that what again appears to be a temporary minor driver issue (with easy workaround) is blown out of proportion.
 
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amenx

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Also interesting who the dead horse beaters are and their penchant for continuing it well after resolution in other unrelated threads.
 

tamz_msc

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There is no issue with the new drivers, its an issue with game mode on windows with the new creators update. If they disable the stupid feature, it won't cause stutters.

Its a problem in several games. Its useless regardless as the gains are like 1-2fps, literally worthless.

Its a lot more effective to get a light and lean antivirus for example, than use game mode. Also remove needless background applications and you would easily gain 3-4fps no game mode needed.
Nowhere in the article does it say that the frame time spikes are due to game mode.
 

railven

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Someone here mentioned the Gaming Mode on Windows 10 Content Creator's Update (or whatever it's called). Can confirm that adds stuttering to a few games for me (WoW/Trails) and it seemed at least for me what was affecting G-Sync in some games. Highly recommend anyone with the Windows update to turn it off. Even Linus found some issues with it in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfoJO_eThTY

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Timestamp for when he discuses minimum frame taking a hit:
https://youtu.be/LfoJO_eThTY?t=244
 
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