Primary reason for HL2 delay was not Source leak. Foul play by ATi and Gabe?!

[VIAN]

Link

All I have to say about this is: Gabe Newell is a D|ck.

Possibly ATI too.

 

[reever]

Doom3 "coming summer 2003"

 

[VIAN]

BS, Valve took it to the last minute.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Lying about a game being released and including a voucher to sell people ATi cards and generate revenue to keep Valve's ship afloat, while slandering the competition in the same breath is worse than cheating on a synthetic bench IMO. I've posted before I believe they scammed people for those very purposes, so I'm not at all surprised they lied and cheated the public and their faithful customers. I hope the wheel of Karma kicks 'em right in the nuts.

 

[kingmike]

ID has never given a release date, nor have they talked down another companys product. lol

 

[UnTech]

Originally posted by: VAIN
Link

All I have to say about this is: Gabe Newell is a D|ck.

Possibly ATI too.

Isn't that a little harsh?


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[EarthwormJim]

Originally posted by: VIAN
Link

All I have to say about this is: Gabe Newell is a D|ck.

Possibly ATI too.

Thanks for letting us know Captain Obvious.

 

[kingmike]

Lets hope they keep quiet and just release the darn game. It sure would be nice to have Doom 3 and Halflife 2 this summer

 

[VIAN]

Thanks for letting us know Captain Obvious.

You're welcome Private Knowitall.

 

[Acanthus]

By the time HL2 comes out, all the ATi fanbois are gonna 5 coupons and they can play their horribly outdated graphics in multiplayer with themselves on dual core opteron systems.

In other words, i dont expect HL2 this year either.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Lying about a game being released and including a voucher to sell people ATi cards and generate revenue to keep Valve's ship afloat, while slandering the competition in the same breath is worse than cheating on a synthetic bench IMO. I've posted before I believe they scammed people for those very purposes, so I'm not at all surprised they lied and cheated the public and their faithful customers. I hope the wheel of Karma kicks 'em right in the nuts.

when people bought those cards that included the voucher they knew that there was a wait period of unknown time until they got the game

 

[VisableAssassin]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Lying about a game being released and including a voucher to sell people ATi cards and generate revenue to keep Valve's ship afloat, while slandering the competition in the same breath is worse than cheating on a synthetic bench IMO. I've posted before I believe they scammed people for those very purposes, so I'm not at all surprised they lied and cheated the public and their faithful customers. I hope the wheel of Karma kicks 'em right in the nuts.

when people bought those cards that included the voucher they knew that there was a wait period of unknown time until they got the game

but I doubt they would have expected THIS long or this kind of a wait man.

 

[jasonja]

Somebody care to sum up what it said, that link doesn't seem to work for me.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Lying about a game being released and including a voucher to sell people ATi cards and generate revenue to keep Valve's ship afloat, while slandering the competition in the same breath is worse than cheating on a synthetic bench IMO. I've posted before I believe they scammed people for those very purposes, so I'm not at all surprised they lied and cheated the public and their faithful customers. I hope the wheel of Karma kicks 'em right in the nuts.

Oh yeah. I have posted the same in other forums, this has "scam" written all over it. How many people bought ATI cards based on the DX9 PS2 performance they were going to get? And now when DX9 PS 2 games are finally showing up, all those cards are a joke at DX9.
LOL- wait- hasn't someone been saying that for a year and a half here all the time???????

Oh yeah, it was me.

:roll:

 

[VIAN]

Valve kicked off quite a scandal last Fall when they chose ATI over NVIDIA for sponsorship of their upcoming guaranteed-hit, Half-Life 2. Such choices are made all the time, of course, but this instance was a little different. Valve's honcho programmer, Gabe Newell, publicly shamed NVIDIA and their then-current products at the time, saying that they weren't up to snuff for the new DirectX 9 code in beta (or alpha?) builds of Half-Life 2 (and technically, they weren't). NVIDIA was caught with its pants down for basically cheating at Pixel Shader performance, but the company also said that Valve had failed to ask them about the matter. ATI then enjoyed the perception that buying ATI meant you were guaranteed a better Half Life 2 experience, but then, that was ages ago back when some people expected to see the game even before Halloween. Now the scene is a little different. Was Valve out of line by publicly panning the compatibility of an NVIDIA product with its own game when its own game wasn't even finished? "No," most people thought, because it was almost ready. Right? Wrong. The famous source code leak gunked up the whole works, right? Wrong. At least, not according to a print interview covered by Games Fusion.

But was the leak the main reason behind the game's delay? "No, the fundamental reason was because we underestimated the amount of work left to do and how long it was going to take, especially when the team were so demoralised after the leak." And what's still left to do on the game? "Tuning, tuning and more tuning," comes Gabe's reply.

The situation is made worse by the fact that Valve routinely made it sound as if the game was just inches away from being finished, and then consistently blamed the source code leak for further delays. While one could just chalk that up to product hype, the curious mix of a hardware partner and a public shaming of that partner's competitor leave a bitter taste in some mouths, especially since Newell could have just admitted that the game wasn't going to be ready for quite some time. Currently people expect to see the game this Summer, but it may be well into the Fall when it finally arrives.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Lying about a game being released and including a voucher to sell people ATi cards and generate revenue to keep Valve's ship afloat, while slandering the competition in the same breath is worse than cheating on a synthetic bench IMO. I've posted before I believe they scammed people for those very purposes, so I'm not at all surprised they lied and cheated the public and their faithful customers. I hope the wheel of Karma kicks 'em right in the nuts.

when people bought those cards that included the voucher they knew that there was a wait period of unknown time until they got the game

Dude, most believed they would be playing HL2 on the card they bought the voucher with. At the very least a playable demo by Sept. of '03 it may be a full year from that date before they see the game. I noticed you are selling a 9800pro, upgrading to a r420 card are we? I fear many who believed they would be playing HL2 on thier 9600XT w/voucher won't have that card by the time the game gets here Worse yet, it'll probably run craptacular on a 9600XT*just a guess* thanks to the tweaking they are doing to the game now.

Of course ATi and Valve made a killing on the scam, I thought this was amusing link

Rollo, what did your efforts get you? That's right, they labeled you fanboy and dubbed you Trollo :disgust: Now those same blindly loyal followers will post here to defend, rationalize, and spin this obvious scam by which they were duped :roll: No one likes to be the sucker born every minute so they will deny, deny, deny! :laugh: Bring on the flames, I'm Johnny Storm:The Human Torch baby! :sun:

 

[PointlesS]

if it doesn't run well on a 9600XT then how will it run on a fx5200 or mx400 which is what the vast majority of people (sadly) have? I doubt you'll be running full details with everything on at a high (1024x768+) resolution...but I would expect the game to run pretty smooth in 1024x768 medium to high details...even the hl2 leak ran relatively decent on a lot of computers...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: PointlesS
if it doesn't run well on a 9600XT then how will it run on a fx5200 or mx400 which is what the vast majority of people (sadly) have? I doubt you'll be running full details with everything on at a high (1024x768+) resolution...but I would expect the game to run pretty smooth in 1024x768 medium to high details...even the hl2 leak ran relatively decent on a lot of computers...

1.The voucher didn't come with those cards so what's your point agian?

2.We don't know what is being done to the game so that beta may not mean dick to what the finished product will be.

3. Certainly it will run on those older, sloooower cards, just in craptacular fashion I believe.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Quoting a small article about graphics technology in Doom 3 from the June 2004 Popular Science magazine states...

id Software's long-awaited Doom 3 ($55), which comes out next month

They don't declare a solid date, but it is written in there as if they are quite certain it is coming "next month" June issue available in May, so would that mean end of July at latest? July certainly is dead middle of the summer. Doom 3 should be here soon, if not I won't be too dissapointed, I care more about a game than pretty graphics or neat environment tricks. I'm definately looking most forward to T:V.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Originally posted by: EarthwormJim

Originally posted by: VIAN
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All I have to say about this is: Gabe Newell is a D|ck.

Possibly ATI too.

Thanks for letting us know Captain Obvious.

Took the words right outta my mouth....

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
...I fear many who believed they would be playing HL2 on thier 9600XT w/voucher won't have that card by the time the game gets here Worse yet, it'll probably run craptacular on a 9600XT*just a guess* thanks to the tweaking they are doing to the game now...

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: PointlesS
if it doesn't run well on a 9600XT then how will it run on a fx5200 or mx400 which is what the vast majority of people (sadly) have? I doubt you'll be running full details with everything on at a high (1024x768+) resolution...but I would expect the game to run pretty smooth in 1024x768 medium to high details...even the hl2 leak ran relatively decent on a lot of computers...

...1.The voucher didn't come with those cards so what's your point agian?...

Did the voucher come with the 9600XT or not?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Bring on the flames, I'm Johnny Storm:The Human Torch baby! :sun:

Bring on the flames indeed...you're fuggin right, so they're gonna be all over your ace.

 

[BFG10K]

But was the leak the main reason behind the game's delay? "No, the fundamental reason was because we underestimated the amount of work left to do and how long it was going to take, especially when the team were so demoralised after the leak." And what's still left to do on the game? "Tuning, tuning and more tuning," comes Gabe's reply.

So initially the leak was the problem but things changed, mainly as a result of the leak. So what? Release dates change all the time. The voucher thing probably was a little over the top but fundamentally this isn't all that strange.

In any case I love it how nVidia fanboys are now using this to discredit Gabe and call him a liar about his anti-nVidia comments. Make no mistake, nVidia was cheating at the time (and are possible doing so today as well) and ATi's SM 2.0 performance was superior across the board. The fact that the game slipped makes no difference to the fact that Gabe knows what he's talking about when it comes to 3D coding.

And finally, this topic should be in software since it has absolutely nothing to do with video. Yet again VIAN is using the forum as his personal dumping ground.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
...I fear many who believed they would be playing HL2 on thier 9600XT w/voucher won't have that card by the time the game gets here Worse yet, it'll probably run craptacular on a 9600XT*just a guess* thanks to the tweaking they are doing to the game now...

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: PointlesS
if it doesn't run well on a 9600XT then how will it run on a fx5200 or mx400 which is what the vast majority of people (sadly) have? I doubt you'll be running full details with everything on at a high (1024x768+) resolution...but I would expect the game to run pretty smooth in 1024x768 medium to high details...even the hl2 leak ran relatively decent on a lot of computers...

...1.The voucher didn't come with those cards so what's your point agian?...

Did the voucher come with the 9600XT or not?

I was referring to the nV cards he was comparing the 9600XT too :roll: </clarification>

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

But was the leak the main reason behind the game's delay? "No, the fundamental reason was because we underestimated the amount of work left to do and how long it was going to take, especially when the team were so demoralised after the leak." And what's still left to do on the game? "Tuning, tuning and more tuning," comes Gabe's reply.

So initially the leak was the problem but things changed, mainly as a result of the leak. So what? Release dates change all the time. The voucher thing probably was a little over the top but fundamentally this isn't all that strange.

In any case I love it how nVidia fanboys are now using this to discredit Gabe and call him a liar about his anti-nVidia comments. Make no mistake, nVidia was cheating at the time (and are possible doing so today as well) and ATi's SM 2.0 performance was superior across the board. The fact that the game slipped makes no difference to the fact that Gabe knows what he's talking about when it comes to 3D coding.

And finally, this topic should be in software since it has absolutely nothing to do with video. Yet again VIAN is using the forum as his personal dumping ground.

I don't know what you just read but quote unquote

But was the leak the main reason behind the game's delay? "No, the fundamental reason was because we underestimated the amount of work left to do and how long it was going to take, especially when the team were so demoralised after the leak." And what's still left to do on the game? "Tuning, tuning and more tuning," comes Gabe's reply.

quite distinctly says it wasn't ready anyways and the leak only exacerbated things.

BTW, this has everything to do with video since the voucher was bundled with a video card and I've never seen you have a problem with discussing how much better PS2 games run on ATi hardware in this forum. Now take off your junior mod hat already :roll: