PrimeGrid Challenges 2019

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Ken g6

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Current challenge: Prime Sierpinski Problem (PSP) LLR, December 12-21 (04:19 UTC)

Happy new year! Here's the (tentative) list of this year's PrimeGrid challenges:

Code:
#  Date             Time UTC  Project  Duration  Challenge
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1   7-22 January    05:43:00  SoB-LLR  15 days   Conjunction of Venus & Jupiter Challenge
2   5-10 March      18:00:00  GCW-LLR  5 days    Year of the Pig(ging out on our CPU cycles :P) Challenge
3  24-31 May        00:00:00  TRP-LLR  7 days    Hans Ivar Riesel's 90th Birthday Challenge
4  15-20 July       20:17:00  PPS-LLR  5 days    50th Anniversary of the Moon Landing Challenge
5   3-10 August     00:00:00  ESP-LLR  7 days    Lennart Vogel Honorary Challenge
6  21-26 September  11:00:00  AP27     5 days    Oktoberfest Challenge
7  10-15 October    18:00:00  PPS-DIV  5 days    World Maths Day Challenge
8  24-29 October    00:00:00  321-LLR  5 days    50 years First ARPANET Connection Challenge
9   1-11 November   18:04:00  PSP-LLR  10 days   Transit of Mercury Across the Sun Challenge
10 12-22 December   04:19:00  GFN-21+  10 days   Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi! Summer Solstice Challenge

What you need:
  • One or more fast x86 processors, preferably with lots of cores. (Even slow ones might do!)
  • Windows (Vista or later 64-bit, or XP or later 32-bit), Linux, or MacOS 10.4+.
  • BOINC, attached to PrimeGrid (http://www.primegrid.com/).
  • Your PrimeGrid Preferences with only the above project(s) selected in the Projects section.
  • Patience! All of these projects run long, slow WUs, at least on your CPU. As a result, no challenge is less than five days long.

What may help LLR (all but two of the challenges):
  • An Intel Sandy Bridge or later ("Core series" other than first-generation) processor with AVX may be 20-70% faster than with the default application. Sadly, that does not include Pentium or Celeron processors, or AMD processors.
  • In most challenges - probably all of these since their WUs are so large - it helps to enable multi-core processing with app_config.xml. Leave hyper-threading on if you do this!
  • Faster RAM might help on many challenges, as long as it's stable.
What may help in other challenges:
  • A GPU helps in two challenges.
  • Juggling in some extra WUs may help in challenges where you run more than one WU on the CPU at a time. (Or, switching to use all cores on one WU at the end may work equally well.)
  • Turning on hyper-threading may help.

What won't help (but won't hurt either):
  • A large amount of RAM.
  • Any Android devices.

What won't help (and will hurt, sort of):
  • Unstable processors. (Invalid work will be deducted! If Prime95 worked recently on your processor, it should be stable.)
  • Work not downloaded anduploaded within the challenge. (It's not counted.) Should you not be able to be in front of one or more computers at that time, there are several options:
    • You can often set BOINC's network connection preferences to wait until a minute or two after challenge time.
    • And for short work units, you can just set the queue level very low (0.01 days). This also makes it more likely that you will be a prime finder rather than a double-checker. But you might want to raise their queue size after the challenge is underway.

Welcome and good luck to all!

P.S. If no one has posted stats lately, try tracking your stats with my user script. With that installed, visit the current challenge's Team stats link for TeAm stats.
 
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StefanR5R

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BTW, "Max # of simultaneous PrimeGrid tasks" means the per-host limit of tasks in progress, enforced by the PrimeGrid server.
"Multi-threading: Max # of threads for each task" presets the respective command line parameter of a task at the moment when you download the task.
 

Howdy

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BTW, "Max # of simultaneous PrimeGrid tasks" means the per-host limit of tasks in progress, enforced by the PrimeGrid server.
"Multi-threading: Max # of threads for each task" presets the respective command line parameter of a task at the moment when you download the task.

Which in effect is an "app_config" setting correct?
 

StefanR5R

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The former does not have an equivalent in app_config. This is a purely server-side thing.

The latter can be overridden with app_config, similar to the "old" times. Example:
XML:
<app_config>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>llr321</app_name>
        <plan_class>mt</plan_class> <!-- this is new -->
        <cmdline>-t 6</cmdline>
        <avg_ncpus>6</avg_ncpus>
    </app_version>
</app_config>
Of course you don't need such an app_config block, or possibly no app_config.xml file in the first place, if the web settings are more practical for you.

PS, AFAIK the web setting affects a task only at the moment when you download it. (Can somebody confirm?) The app_config setting affects the task when it is started, and every time when it is resumed.
 

VirtualLarry

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Which is set up in your Prime Grid Preferences on your account.
Thanks. I normally use "local prefs", but then I went to my client, selected (on the prefs page) "use web prefs", and when I click on the PrimeGrid project under Projects, and click on Options, Computing Preferences, it says it's using Web Preferences from www.worldcommunitygrid.com. Is there a way to direct the client to use web prefs from www.primegrid.com? I don't see the option. (Edit: Running 7.14.2 - newest I believe.)

Edit: Seems to have "taken hold", I had done "no new tasks" last night, and it was running it's last PrimeGrid 321 LLR task, and I went to the PrimeGrid web site, and limited it to 3 tasks with 4 threads each (I have 6C/12T CPU), and then after fidding with Project, Update, and "Use web prefs", then it seems to have worked. I allowed new tasks for PrimeGrid, and I downloaded two more tasks, that each are labeled "4 CPUs" on them.
 
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crashtech

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BOINC Computing Preferences are separate from Primegrid Preferences. Are you sure you are clicking on the correct one in your account page on PrimeGrid?
 

StefanR5R

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I normally use "local prefs", but then I went to my client, selected (on the prefs page) "use web prefs"
As crashtech implied, this feature is unrelated. It covers other settings, such as % CPUs used, run when on battery, etc.

The two PrimeGrid job control options which Howdy pointed to are always active, no matter what. (As mentioned, the LLR threading related option is overridden by app_config if you have one with corresponding entries.)
 

VirtualLarry

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BOINC Computing Preferences are separate from Primegrid Preferences. Are you sure you are clicking on the correct one in your account page on PrimeGrid?
Yes, I clicked on PrimeGrid Preferences on the web site. I guess I only needed to do Project, Update, to get those to "stick" and not "use web prefs" (which sets my CPU time % to 60%, for some reason.)

Anyways, I think that I have it sorted now. It's showing 6hrs/WU completion estimates now. For 3 WUs at a time.
 

Ken g6

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Day 2 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
22_____903379_____crashtech
31_____534147_____Howdy
70_____283382_____Ken_g6
80_____252054_____biodoc
85_____245105_____Orange Kid
104____188270_____emoga
124____139231_____SlangNRox
150____94489___10esseeTony
162____82307______zzuupp
182____69472______VirtualLarry
187____68020______xii5ku
223____43507______Lane42
248____25381______phoenicis
254____25225______Rudy Toody

Rank__Credits____Team
5_____4400361____AMD Users
6_____4181898____[H]ard|OCP
7_____3630430____Crunching@EVGA
8_____2953976____TeAm AnandTech
9_____2541336____Antarctic Crunchers
10____2212444____BOINC@MIXI
11____2046995____Rechenkraft.net

I managed to mess up my firewall configuration yesterday, and I lost almost a day of cloud computing. But it's better now.

I guess a lot of people are on a Yoyo. (One of my machines is there too.) I hope you don't get sick!
 

zzuupp

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Part time stats, since the Nats are losing.

5..AMD Users............4 799 495.78_ 761
6..[H]ard|OCP...........4 516 252.55_ 717
7..Crunching@EVGA...... 3 907 842.09_ 620
8..TeAm AnandTech...... 3 148 817.00_ 501
9..Antarctic Crunchers. 2 724 506.69_ 433
10.BOINC@MIXI...........2 419 007.44_ 384
11.Rechenkraft.net......2 312 927.31_ 366

Rank..Name Team Score Tasks
23....crashtech.TeAm AnandTech..985 555.81 @ 157
38....Howdy.....TeAm AnandTech..552 879.09 @ 88
75....Ken_g6 TeAm AnandTech 283 382.83 @ 45
84....Orange Kid.....TeAm AnandTech 263 823.11 @ 42
88....biodoc....TeAm AnandTech 252 054.42 @ 40
107...moga......TeAm AnandTech 194 499.67 @ 31
128...SlangNRox TeAm AnandTech 145 477.21 @ 23
153...10esseeTony...TeAm AnandTech 100 733.58 @ 16
176...zzuupp....TeAm AnandTech 82 307.60 @ 13
185...Lane42....TeAm AnandTech 74 824.60 12
189...VirtualLarry..TeAm AnandTech 69 472.73 @ 11
194...xii5ku....TeAm AnandTech 68 020.20 @ 11
213...phoenicis TeAm AnandTech 50 560.72 @ 8
259...Rudy Toody.TeAm AnandTech 25 225.43 @ 4
 

StefanR5R

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Two observations about PG challenges over time:
  • It took about two years from the introduction of multithreaded LLR until more people began to look into its proper use for their hardware. (Lots of people are still learning it; CNT's multithreading pioneers made an effective effort to help their members in this regard.)
  • It took pretty much exactly two years from when user mexxus pioneered the use of gratis cloud computing instances until more people began to look into cheap cloud computing options for PG challenges.

--------
I had quite a bit of fun competing with my few home computers against the big guys back in the days when hardly anybody was able to optimize LLR properly, or ran massive amounts of rented computers. --- Excuse the nostalgia. :-)
 
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Ken g6

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Day 3 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
21_____1522093____crashtech
35_____844638_____Howdy
71_____467370_____Ken_g6
88_____371269_____Orange Kid
116____264148_____emoga
118____252054_____biodoc
128____215416_____SlangNRox
132____201537_____phoenicis
149____163727_____VirtualLarry
163____145260___10esseeTony
173____138124_____Lane42
177____126676_____zzuupp
233____68020______xii5ku
295____25225______Rudy Toody

Rank__Credits____Team
5_____7334136____AMD Users
6_____6840801____[H]ard|OCP
7_____5807251____Crunching@EVGA
8_____4805564____TeAm AnandTech
9_____4207546____Antarctic Crunchers
10____3830605____Rechenkraft.net
11____3543271____BOINC@MIXI

Feels like we're stuck in the ice around the Antarctic Crunchers. But at least they haven't passed us.
 

Ken g6

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I was too busy working on a secret project to remember to post stats yesterday.

So here's day 4.5 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
18_____2596628____crashtech
30_____1725238____xii5ku
34_____1326509____Howdy
73_____752074_____Ken_g6
91_____567750_____Orange Kid
116____443833___10esseeTony
127____349165_____SlangNRox
132____341594_____biodoc
134____340169_____emoga
156____259218_____Lane42
159____252643_____phoenicis
160____252508_____VirtualLarry
186____189548_____zzuupp
287____61970______Kiska
344____25225______Rudy Toody

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____11980810___Sicituradastra.
5_____11812291___AMD Users
6_____10835978___[H]ard|OCP
7_____9484079____TeAm AnandTech
8_____9102585____Crunching@EVGA
9_____6670966____Antarctic Crunchers
10____6388024____Rechenkraft.net
 

Ken g6

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Preliminary final stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
18_____2915567____crashtech
25_____2370987____xii5ku
33_____1478225____Howdy
71_____841466_____Ken_g6
89_____634184___10esseeTony
92_____624973_____Orange Kid
113____494219_____biodoc
130____387206_____SlangNRox
141____340169_____emoga
158____284362_____VirtualLarry
163____271930_____Lane42
173____252643_____phoenicis
188____208624_____zzuupp
278____80991______Kiska
357____25225______Rudy Toody

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____13302811___Sicituradastra.
5_____12864064___AMD Users
6_____11821436___[H]ard|OCP
7_____11210776___TeAm AnandTech
8_____10134259___Crunching@EVGA
9_____7306098____Antarctic Crunchers
10____7127036____Rechenkraft.net

It's nice we're ahead of EVGA, but I think if we'd done less on the FB sprint we could have been up to 4th!

Anyway, I rode a cloud to my best finish in at least a long time.
 

Ken g6

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The next challenge has started! Yes, already!

I'm running 7 tasks on 7 machines (one per machine), 6 of them DO instances. (To use up my free credit.) Two of my real machines are still on the FB sprint.
 

VirtualLarry

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Sigh, we barely got to catch a breather from the last challenge. Andmy spacebar is sticking.

Anyways, I'min on myR5 3600.

Crumbs I think. Seems to be working now. I pulled off the spacebar, and wiped around under it with some paper towel. Oh, the perils of eating at your keyboard.
 

StefanR5R

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Just now I looked at three random PSP-LLR tasks at the PG web site. They had 1920K, 2M, and 2100K FFT length respectively (15 MB, 16 MB, 16.4 MB FFT data size). Popular processors don't have as much cache, and would rather shine at Cosmo (and later, at WCG).

It's a pity that this subproject isn't supported on GPUs, which have plenty of RAM bandwidth compared with CPUs.

PS, EPYC processors make for wonderful cloud server CPUs. Their segmented cache creates a natural barrier for "noisy neighbor" workloads like LLR. Top end cloud server CPUs and hypervisors have some quality-of-service features in place to contain workloads like this, but I think that even with those enabled, a VM running LLR will be leeching off of hardware resources shared with other VMs.
 
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