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Ken g6

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Current challenge: Prime Sierpinski Problem (PSP) LLR, December 12-21 (04:19 UTC)

Happy new year! Here's the (tentative) list of this year's PrimeGrid challenges:

Code:
#  Date             Time UTC  Project  Duration  Challenge
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1   7-22 January    05:43:00  SoB-LLR  15 days   Conjunction of Venus & Jupiter Challenge
2   5-10 March      18:00:00  GCW-LLR  5 days    Year of the Pig(ging out on our CPU cycles :P) Challenge
3  24-31 May        00:00:00  TRP-LLR  7 days    Hans Ivar Riesel's 90th Birthday Challenge
4  15-20 July       20:17:00  PPS-LLR  5 days    50th Anniversary of the Moon Landing Challenge
5   3-10 August     00:00:00  ESP-LLR  7 days    Lennart Vogel Honorary Challenge
6  21-26 September  11:00:00  AP27     5 days    Oktoberfest Challenge
7  10-15 October    18:00:00  PPS-DIV  5 days    World Maths Day Challenge
8  24-29 October    00:00:00  321-LLR  5 days    50 years First ARPANET Connection Challenge
9   1-11 November   18:04:00  PSP-LLR  10 days   Transit of Mercury Across the Sun Challenge
10 12-22 December   04:19:00  GFN-21+  10 days   Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi! Summer Solstice Challenge

What you need:
  • One or more fast x86 processors, preferably with lots of cores. (Even slow ones might do!)
  • Windows (Vista or later 64-bit, or XP or later 32-bit), Linux, or MacOS 10.4+.
  • BOINC, attached to PrimeGrid (http://www.primegrid.com/).
  • Your PrimeGrid Preferences with only the above project(s) selected in the Projects section.
  • Patience! All of these projects run long, slow WUs, at least on your CPU. As a result, no challenge is less than five days long.

What may help LLR (all but two of the challenges):
  • An Intel Sandy Bridge or later ("Core series" other than first-generation) processor with AVX may be 20-70% faster than with the default application. Sadly, that does not include Pentium or Celeron processors, or AMD processors.
  • In most challenges - probably all of these since their WUs are so large - it helps to enable multi-core processing with app_config.xml. Leave hyper-threading on if you do this!
  • Faster RAM might help on many challenges, as long as it's stable.
What may help in other challenges:
  • A GPU helps in two challenges.
  • Juggling in some extra WUs may help in challenges where you run more than one WU on the CPU at a time. (Or, switching to use all cores on one WU at the end may work equally well.)
  • Turning on hyper-threading may help.

What won't help (but won't hurt either):
  • A large amount of RAM.
  • Any Android devices.

What won't help (and will hurt, sort of):
  • Unstable processors. (Invalid work will be deducted! If Prime95 worked recently on your processor, it should be stable.)
  • Work not downloaded anduploaded within the challenge. (It's not counted.) Should you not be able to be in front of one or more computers at that time, there are several options:
    • You can often set BOINC's network connection preferences to wait until a minute or two after challenge time.
    • And for short work units, you can just set the queue level very low (0.01 days). This also makes it more likely that you will be a prime finder rather than a double-checker. But you might want to raise their queue size after the challenge is underway.

Welcome and good luck to all!

P.S. If no one has posted stats lately, try tracking your stats with my user script. With that installed, visit the current challenge's Team stats link for TeAm stats.
 
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biodoc

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Just now I looked at three random PSP-LLR tasks at the PG web site. They had 1920K, 2M, and 2100K FFT length respectively (15 MB, 16 MB, 16.4 MB FFT data size). Popular processors don't have as much cache, and would rather shine at Cosmo (and later, at WCG).

So for Zen 2 processors, which have 16 MB L3 cache per CCX, 1 task per CCX is the only perhaps, the best option.

3600/3600X with 2 CCX (6 threads each): 2 concurrent tasks with 6 threads each.
3700X/3800X with 2 CCX (8 threads each): 2 concurrent tasks with 8 threads each.
3900X with 4 CCX (6 threads each): 4 concurrent tasks with 6 threads each.
 
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StefanR5R

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The 16 MB and 16.4 MB sized LLR tasks alone (not to mention other userspace and kernel data and code) already exceed the 16 MB L3$ available to one CCX. Judging from what I saw in the past on BDW-EP, this isn't going to cut into LLR performance dramatically, but gradually.

Now this suggests that perhaps putting a task onto two CCXs could be a viable alternative. But due to program thread synchronization overhead, I doubt that this will be beneficial on 4- and 3-core CCX SKUs (for throughput; run times are another matter to look into). There are some arcane 2-core and 1-core CCX SKUs in the server range, but I doubt that anybody interested in PrimeGrid has got some of these in use.

So I agree with "the only option" assessment, with the exception that there are still the astrophysics and molecular dynamics options. ;-)
 

Ken g6

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Day 1 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
41_____143317_____Ken_g6
49_____93024______Howdy
81_____32963______crashtech

Rank__Credits____Team
11____443187_____Team 2ch
12____430108_____AMD Users
13____308511_____Rechenkraft.net
14____269306_____TeAm AnandTech
15____261233_____The Knights Who Say Ni!
16____229731_____Metal Archives
17____211172_____Ukraine

Not too bad with everybody occupied with the FB sprint. I wonder how long that will last?

@Ken g6 .......I see how this is going to go down!!!

You, too, could set up some cloud computing instances. My cloud setup script makes it easy.
 

VirtualLarry

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My first three PG tasks on my 3600, are showing 20:48 elapsed, and 09, 10, and 14 hours remaining.

I've kept my prior settings, three tasks at a time, four threads each. Maybe I should change that to two tasks of 5-6 threads ea?

Edit: Changed to 2x tasks @ 5threads ea.
 

Markfw

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Day 1 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
41_____143317_____Ken_g6
49_____93024______Howdy
81_____32963______crashtech

Rank__Credits____Team
11____443187_____Team 2ch
12____430108_____AMD Users
13____308511_____Rechenkraft.net
14____269306_____TeAm AnandTech
15____261233_____The Knights Who Say Ni!
16____229731_____Metal Archives
17____211172_____Ukraine

Not too bad with everybody occupied with the FB sprint. I wonder how long that will last?


You, too, could set up some cloud computing instances. My cloud setup script makes it easy.
Silly question. Do you have to pay for cloud computing resources ? I would think its not free.
 

TennesseeTony

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After 10 minutes, BOINC says 12 more hours for one task (AMD 3800X with 16 threads). Is that right or questionable? Crap, hang on, only single channel RAM to get an OS installed.....

After 40 minutes, BOINC says about 6 hours per 16 thread task on a 3-series Ryzen, that sound okay?
 

Ken g6

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Day 2 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
36_____427680_____Howdy
46_____362238_____Ken_g6
70_____207283_____crashtech
119____87134______VirtualLarry
161____33150___10esseeTony
163____33087______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
11____1454817____Antarctic Crunchers
12____1372069____Team 2ch
13____1368376____Rechenkraft.net
14____1150574____TeAm AnandTech
15____1100690____The Knights Who Say Ni!
16____709784_____Metal Archives
17____687129_____BOINCstats

@Howdy, that must be a lot of your own hardware! 👍

With the FB sprint almost over, I hope others will take at least a brief run at this before bunkering WCG.
 
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Howdy

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Yes, it is.....actually more than I was going to involve on this challenge. I'll use it as an excuse that it's a test for the WCG challenge.
Well I guess it was "good" that I put more hardware on this challenge? I have a machine that ran only 1 task and it came up invalid. (Thankfully I had it set to "Won't get more tasks") Although it was a waste of power and crunching time, it's good that I found out it might not be as stable as I thought it was. It would have been pretty angering to have bunkered and had the possibility of lost time and had invalid tasks on WCG. Looks like I have some work to do!!
 

StefanR5R

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Overclocked RAM is one of the potential trouble sources at PrimeGrid/LLR.
(Or new RAM which never underwent a ~day-long memtest86 proof.)
 

Howdy

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Overclocked RAM is one of the potential trouble sources at PrimeGrid/LLR.
(Or new RAM which never underwent a ~day-long memtest86 proof.)
The RAM isn't overclocked by me or even running the XMP profile. Surprisingly, 321-LLR ran with no errors, PSP-LLR didn't complete 1 task. I will as you suggest run the memtest and see where I end up.
 

StefanR5R

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If a whole bunch of 321-LLR completed valid, then MIP and MCM should work out well too. Though once you can spare the time for a very long memtest run, go for that. (Short memtest runs give only an incomplete picture.)
 

Ken g6

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Day 3 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
38_____790593_____Howdy
47_____664173_____Ken_g6
71_____387899_____crashtech
101____234965_____VirtualLarry
115____181463_____biodoc
173____66301______SlangNRox
187____65404______Orange Kid
215____33150___10esseeTony
239____27048______zzuupp

Rank__Credits____Team
10____3523050____Storm
11____2730458____Rechenkraft.net
12____2614254____Antarctic Crunchers
13____2451001____TeAm AnandTech
14____2297058____Team 2ch
15____2034844____The Knights Who Say Ni!
16____1357617____BOINCstats

Now my real hardware is on this too. I'm hoping more people are working on work, but these PSP WUs are so long that they just haven't shown up yet.

Edit: Now that I think about it, 3PPD (People Per Day) isn't too bad.
 

Howdy

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If a whole bunch of 321-LLR completed valid, then MIP and MCM should work out well too. Though once you can spare the time for a very long memtest run, go for that. (Short memtest runs give only an incomplete picture.)
Going to go with a long mem test, I have some time and can lean on other machines for WCG. Thanks Stefan.
 
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