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Ken g6

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Current challenge: Prime Sierpinski Problem (PSP) LLR, December 12-21 (04:19 UTC)

Happy new year! Here's the (tentative) list of this year's PrimeGrid challenges:

Code:
#  Date             Time UTC  Project  Duration  Challenge
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1   7-22 January    05:43:00  SoB-LLR  15 days   Conjunction of Venus & Jupiter Challenge
2   5-10 March      18:00:00  GCW-LLR  5 days    Year of the Pig(ging out on our CPU cycles :P) Challenge
3  24-31 May        00:00:00  TRP-LLR  7 days    Hans Ivar Riesel's 90th Birthday Challenge
4  15-20 July       20:17:00  PPS-LLR  5 days    50th Anniversary of the Moon Landing Challenge
5   3-10 August     00:00:00  ESP-LLR  7 days    Lennart Vogel Honorary Challenge
6  21-26 September  11:00:00  AP27     5 days    Oktoberfest Challenge
7  10-15 October    18:00:00  PPS-DIV  5 days    World Maths Day Challenge
8  24-29 October    00:00:00  321-LLR  5 days    50 years First ARPANET Connection Challenge
9   1-11 November   18:04:00  PSP-LLR  10 days   Transit of Mercury Across the Sun Challenge
10 12-22 December   04:19:00  GFN-21+  10 days   Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi! Summer Solstice Challenge

What you need:
  • One or more fast x86 processors, preferably with lots of cores. (Even slow ones might do!)
  • Windows (Vista or later 64-bit, or XP or later 32-bit), Linux, or MacOS 10.4+.
  • BOINC, attached to PrimeGrid (http://www.primegrid.com/).
  • Your PrimeGrid Preferences with only the above project(s) selected in the Projects section.
  • Patience! All of these projects run long, slow WUs, at least on your CPU. As a result, no challenge is less than five days long.

What may help LLR (all but two of the challenges):
  • An Intel Sandy Bridge or later ("Core series" other than first-generation) processor with AVX may be 20-70% faster than with the default application. Sadly, that does not include Pentium or Celeron processors, or AMD processors.
  • In most challenges - probably all of these since their WUs are so large - it helps to enable multi-core processing with app_config.xml. Leave hyper-threading on if you do this!
  • Faster RAM might help on many challenges, as long as it's stable.
What may help in other challenges:
  • A GPU helps in two challenges.
  • Juggling in some extra WUs may help in challenges where you run more than one WU on the CPU at a time. (Or, switching to use all cores on one WU at the end may work equally well.)
  • Turning on hyper-threading may help.

What won't help (but won't hurt either):
  • A large amount of RAM.
  • Any Android devices.

What won't help (and will hurt, sort of):
  • Unstable processors. (Invalid work will be deducted! If Prime95 worked recently on your processor, it should be stable.)
  • Work not downloaded anduploaded within the challenge. (It's not counted.) Should you not be able to be in front of one or more computers at that time, there are several options:
    • You can often set BOINC's network connection preferences to wait until a minute or two after challenge time.
    • And for short work units, you can just set the queue level very low (0.01 days). This also makes it more likely that you will be a prime finder rather than a double-checker. But you might want to raise their queue size after the challenge is underway.

Welcome and good luck to all!

P.S. If no one has posted stats lately, try tracking your stats with my user script. With that installed, visit the current challenge's Team stats link for TeAm stats.
 
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emoga

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Primegrid and Rakesearch are the only boinc projects that currently use it (that I'm aware of)

Don't worry Mark, Threadripper/Ryzen is still the best performance per dollar'in most projects' (especially the ones you care about)
 
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Day 1 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
13_____495313_____emoga
63_____92781______Ken_g6
191____9204_______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
6_____1153048____Crunching@EVGA
7_____844754_____The Knights Who Say Ni!
8_____837556_____BOINC@MIXI
9_____597299_____TeAm AnandTech
10____443678_____Storm
11____421413_____Alien Prime Cult
12____366296_____Team 2ch

Way to go, @emoga! Not much from the rest of us yet.
 

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Day 2 stats:
Rank___Credits____Username
14_____1038692____emoga
67_____224692_____Ken_g6
89_____141832___10esseeTony
163____63089______Howdy
217____23258______SlangNRox
285____4315_______zzuupp
Rank__Credits____Team
6_____2810497____Crunching@EVGA
7_____1772500____The Knights Who Say Ni!
8_____1766967____BOINC@MIXI
9_____1495880____TeAm AnandTech
10____1469526____Rechenkraft.net
11____1094300____Storm
12____961836_____Alien Prime Cult

Edit: Cleaned up from posting from my phone. I don't know why it worked last time but not this time.

Anyway, I had a little accidental dump from stuff I was doing with another project, and that put us over RKN.
 
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StefanR5R

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Very interested in how well the new 'AVX-512 app' does.
You probably saw Michael Goetz's post from May 23 already:
CPUs with a second AVX512 unit benefit from the new version. But CPUs without that second unit (or rather, with that unit disabled), perform worse than with the previous FMA3 application version.

In other words, the LLR program scales negatively to AVX512, but processors with extra hardware compensate for it. Or in yet other words, AVX512 support in the program is a compromise necessitated by Intel making that additional vector execution units available only to AVX512 code.
 
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StefanR5R

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I quickly looked around other people's hosts at primegrid.com, saw one with three TRP-LLR WUs from May, and they had (in chronological order) 896K, 896K, and 768K as FFT length.
[...]
Saw another computer with 768K, 800K, 896K, 960K, 864K, 960K long FFTs in TRP-LLR WUs.
As I am slowly approaching the point in time when I need to begin fetching TRP-LLR tasks, I looked once more through a few dozen validated results and found a range of 720K...960K FFT lengths (5.6...7.5 MByte FFT data size). As expected, 960K appears to become more common now, but it is still the maximum as far as I saw.
 

StefanR5R

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Currently, team "AWS Users" is right behind us. I suppose there is little to do but to let them pass. We on the other hand should be able to catch up with some of the teams currently in front of us.
 

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Day 3 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
20_____1126770____emoga
57_____429965_____crashtech
80_____285338_____Ken_g6
112____176132___10esseeTony
140____132762_____Howdy
202____60053______zzuupp
238____32945______SlangNRox
367____3606_______xii5ku

Rank__Credits____Team
7_____2706457____The Knights Who Say Ni!
8_____2663992____BOINC@MIXI
9_____2488921____Rechenkraft.net
10____2247574____TeAm AnandTech
11____1944227____AMD Users
12____1791530____Storm
13____1508336____Alien Prime Cult
 

Howdy

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So I am going to have to assume that these TRP projects are different lengths in digits, my completion times are all over the place on the same machine.

Fixed it- looking through my chicken scratch notes that sometimes make sense and referring to saved E-mails- It's all in getting the app_config set correctly on the machine you are working on. Thinking maybe I should put a post-it-note with the correct CPU settings on each machine for the project at hand
 
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Howdy

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Well, there were 2 blurs go speeding past me and I could only catch part of their tags:
xii**u and a cras***c*
Them damn kids and their hot rods!!!
There are a few others that moved out of the "rest area" too.
 
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Well, this is weird, my main computer can't access this site. But I think I can post stats anyway.

Stats for team TeAm AnandTech
Rank___Credits____Username
18_____1751186____emoga
36_____1076721____xii5ku
37_____1041756____crashtech
81_____427669_____Ken_g6
93_____354575_____Howdy
152____176132___10esseeTony
186____127604_____zzuupp
257____47860______phoenicis
271____38770______Kiska
282____32945______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____13671426___Sicituradastra.
5_____10355977___[H]ard|OCP
6_____6649620____Crunching@EVGA
7_____5075221____TeAm AnandTech
8_____4322904____Rechenkraft.net
9_____3825993____The Knights Who Say Ni!
10____3760809____BOINC@MIXI
 

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I wondered whether we'd meet up with some of our friends in this challenge, and made a spreadsheet.
Code:
                     Crunching@EVGA    TeAm AnandTech    meet-  time
                     score    pace     score    pace     up     left
                     (M)      (M/d)    (M)      (M/d)    (d)    (d)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
May 24  00:00 UTC    0.000             0.000                    7.0
May 24  12:00 UTC    0.485             0.275                    6.5
May 25  00:00 UTC    1.140    1.140    0.588    0.588           6.0
May 25  12:00 UTC    1.886    1.401    0.987    0.712           5.5
May 26  00:00 UTC    2.750    1.610    1.487    0.899           5.0
May 26  12:00 UTC    3.497    1.611    1.760    0.773           4.5
May 27  00:00 UTC    4.312    1.562    2.204    0.717           4.0
May 27  12:00 UTC    5.287    1.790    3.342    1.582           3.5
May 28  00:00 UTC    6.244    1.932    4.563    2.359    3.9    3.0
May 28  12:00 UTC    7.272    1.985    5.814    2.472    3.0    2.5
May 29  00:00 UTC    8.306    2.062    7.166    2.603    2.1    2.0
May 29  12:00 UTC    9.311    2.039    8.547    2.733    1.1    1.5
May 30  00:00 UTC   10.379    2.073    9.978    2.812    0.5    1.0
May 30  12:00 UTC                                               0.5
May 31  00:00 UTC                                               0.0


post updated:
-- added May 29 00:00 UTC data
-- added May 29 12:00 UTC data
-- added May 30 00:00 UTC data
 
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StefanR5R

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As I am slowly approaching the point in time when I need to begin fetching TRP-LLR tasks, I looked once more through a few dozen validated results and found a range of 720K...960K FFT lengths (5.6...7.5 MByte FFT data size). As expected, 960K appears to become more common now, but it is still the maximum as far as I saw.
"grep FFT slots/*/*.txt" shows a few tasks with "Using zero-padded FMA3 FFT length 1M" now.
I wonder whether the zero-padding occupies cache the same as actual FFT data do.
 

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Day 5 stats, with the forums back to normal, I hope:

Rank___Credits____Username
18_____2135691____emoga
25_____1791559____xii5ku
28_____1640676____crashtech
81_____532443_____Howdy
82_____532253_____Ken_g6
178____176132___10esseeTony
182____165348_____zzuupp
204____129629_____phoenicis
265____58204______Kiska
309____32945______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____16404069___Sicituradastra.
5_____12329520___[H]ard|OCP
6_____8320267____Crunching@EVGA
7_____7194883____TeAm AnandTech
8_____5536181____Rechenkraft.net
9_____4575697____The Knights Who Say Ni!
10____4504109____BOINC@MIXI

Argh, somebody passed me. @Howdy do that?
 

StefanR5R

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Here is my chart again, though with one change. In the previous table, "pace" was the last 24h difference. Now it is the last 12h difference, times 2.
Code:
                     Crunching@EVGA    TeAm AnandTech    meet-   time
                     score    pace     score    pace     up      left
                     (M)      (M/d)    (M)      (M/d)    (d)     (d)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
May 24  00:00 UTC    0.000             0.000                     7.0
May 24  12:00 UTC    0.485    0.970    0.275    0.550            6.5
May 25  00:00 UTC    1.140    1.310    0.588    0.626            6.0
May 25  12:00 UTC    1.886    1.492    0.987    0.798            5.5
May 26  00:00 UTC    2.750    1.728    1.487    1.000            5.0
May 26  12:00 UTC    3.497    1.494    1.760    0.546            4.5
May 27  00:00 UTC    4.312    1.630    2.204    0.888            4.0
May 27  12:00 UTC    5.287    1.950    3.342    2.276    5.97    3.5
May 28  00:00 UTC    6.244    1.914    4.563    2.442    3.18    3.0
May 28  12:00 UTC    7.272    2.056    5.814    2.502    3.27    2.5
May 29  00:00 UTC    8.306    2.068    7.166    2.704    1.79    2.0
May 29  12:00 UTC    9.311    2.010    8.547    2.762    1.02    1.5
May 30  00:00 UTC   10.379    2.136    9.978    2.862    0.55    1.0
May 30  12:00 UTC   11.494    2.230   11.199    2.442    1.39    0.5
May 31  00:00 UTC                                                0.0
 

Ken g6

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Oops, I forgot to do stats because I was too focused on figuring out which project to focus on!

Day 6.5 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
17_____3397847____xii5ku
19_____2947902____emoga
23_____2523601____crashtech
75_____868239_____Howdy
82_____724848_____Ken_g6
138____334102_____phoenicis
174____251782_____zzuupp
211____176132___10esseeTony
298____58204______Kiska
324____40868______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____21878939___Sicituradastra.
5_____16150851___[H]ard|OCP
6_____11614665___Crunching@EVGA
7_____11323532___TeAm AnandTech
8_____7772001____Rechenkraft.net
9_____6343999____AMD Users
10____6037496____The Knights Who Say Ni!

Awfully close.
 

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Day 7 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
16_____4018400____xii5ku
19_____3189332____emoga
23_____2791986____crashtech
74_____972045_____Howdy
81_____820338_____Ken_g6
94_____673531_____phoenicis
171____274896_____zzuupp
194____219757___10esseeTony
284____76684______Kiska
327____45801______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
3_____31079220___SETI.Germany
4_____23462832___Sicituradastra.
5_____17332080___[H]ard|OCP
6_____13082774___TeAm AnandTech
7_____12719486___Crunching@EVGA
8_____8460427____Rechenkraft.net
9_____7033990____AMD Users

Looks like we beat EVGA! Though of course work will have to be validated to confirm that.
 
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