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Ken g6

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Current challenge: Prime Sierpinski Problem (PSP) LLR, December 12-21 (04:19 UTC)

Happy new year! Here's the (tentative) list of this year's PrimeGrid challenges:

Code:
#  Date             Time UTC  Project  Duration  Challenge
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1   7-22 January    05:43:00  SoB-LLR  15 days   Conjunction of Venus & Jupiter Challenge
2   5-10 March      18:00:00  GCW-LLR  5 days    Year of the Pig(ging out on our CPU cycles :P) Challenge
3  24-31 May        00:00:00  TRP-LLR  7 days    Hans Ivar Riesel's 90th Birthday Challenge
4  15-20 July       20:17:00  PPS-LLR  5 days    50th Anniversary of the Moon Landing Challenge
5   3-10 August     00:00:00  ESP-LLR  7 days    Lennart Vogel Honorary Challenge
6  21-26 September  11:00:00  AP27     5 days    Oktoberfest Challenge
7  10-15 October    18:00:00  PPS-DIV  5 days    World Maths Day Challenge
8  24-29 October    00:00:00  321-LLR  5 days    50 years First ARPANET Connection Challenge
9   1-11 November   18:04:00  PSP-LLR  10 days   Transit of Mercury Across the Sun Challenge
10 12-22 December   04:19:00  GFN-21+  10 days   Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi! Summer Solstice Challenge

What you need:
  • One or more fast x86 processors, preferably with lots of cores. (Even slow ones might do!)
  • Windows (Vista or later 64-bit, or XP or later 32-bit), Linux, or MacOS 10.4+.
  • BOINC, attached to PrimeGrid (http://www.primegrid.com/).
  • Your PrimeGrid Preferences with only the above project(s) selected in the Projects section.
  • Patience! All of these projects run long, slow WUs, at least on your CPU. As a result, no challenge is less than five days long.

What may help LLR (all but two of the challenges):
  • An Intel Sandy Bridge or later ("Core series" other than first-generation) processor with AVX may be 20-70% faster than with the default application. Sadly, that does not include Pentium or Celeron processors, or AMD processors.
  • In most challenges - probably all of these since their WUs are so large - it helps to enable multi-core processing with app_config.xml. Leave hyper-threading on if you do this!
  • Faster RAM might help on many challenges, as long as it's stable.
What may help in other challenges:
  • A GPU helps in two challenges.
  • Juggling in some extra WUs may help in challenges where you run more than one WU on the CPU at a time. (Or, switching to use all cores on one WU at the end may work equally well.)
  • Turning on hyper-threading may help.

What won't help (but won't hurt either):
  • A large amount of RAM.
  • Any Android devices.

What won't help (and will hurt, sort of):
  • Unstable processors. (Invalid work will be deducted! If Prime95 worked recently on your processor, it should be stable.)
  • Work not downloaded anduploaded within the challenge. (It's not counted.) Should you not be able to be in front of one or more computers at that time, there are several options:
    • You can often set BOINC's network connection preferences to wait until a minute or two after challenge time.
    • And for short work units, you can just set the queue level very low (0.01 days). This also makes it more likely that you will be a prime finder rather than a double-checker. But you might want to raise their queue size after the challenge is underway.

Welcome and good luck to all!

P.S. If no one has posted stats lately, try tracking your stats with my user script. With that installed, visit the current challenge's Team stats link for TeAm stats.
 
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crashtech

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These (new to me) old Haswell-EP's are giving quite a bit of bang for the buck in PPS, as long as I ignore the electric bill. I'm guessing the new Ryzen 2's really shine in PPD per watt, but since I've gone almost totally high-density, I may have to wait not only for the new Threadripper, but also for it to come down in price. So, two more years, maybe? Or maybe figure out how to jam two X570 mini-ITX systems into one box?
 

Modular

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@Modular , akaik the G3900 does not have AVX enabled, so it's likely to underperform on this project. It might be interesting to let it complete a few WUs just to see how it compares to your i7, though.

The only optimization for your i7 on this project is to use 2 threads per task by using an app_config.xml in the project directory with this in it:
Code:
<app_config>
  <app_version>
       <app_name>llrPPS</app_name>
       <cmdline>-t 2</cmdline>
       <avg_ncpus>2</avg_ncpus>
   </app_version>
</app_config>


Thank you! I have this up and running now. Working well.
 
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Ken g6

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Day 2 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
11_____1190111____crashtech
18_____855216_____emoga
29_____531316_____Howdy
43_____382916_____biodoc
63_____275743_____phoenicis
78_____202769_____Orange Kid
81_____194757_____Ken_g6
108____114181___10esseeTony
203____38991______Modular
249____27073______zzuupp
283____14798______VirtualLarry

Rank__Credits____Team
3_____5734015____SETI.Germany
4_____4518618____Sicituradastra.
5_____4029991____[H]ard|OCP
6_____3827877____TeAm AnandTech
7_____2724589____Crunching@EVGA
8_____2373836____AMD Users
9_____1633751____Rechenkraft.net

A nice showing, and it looks a lot like our last race. With the exception of @StefanR5R.
 

Howdy

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My internet keeps crapping out, I now have my "storage" set for 1.5 days worth of work. Today was hot..............the next 3 are going to be Hell.............
 
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emoga

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Got some big time thunderstorms tonight and some major heat for the next day or two, might shut things down for a bit.
Sorry guys.
 

biodoc

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Also it looks like Coffeelake is still faster than Ryzen 2 in this particular project, but the difference is not as great as it used to be. Looks like about 12%, clock-for-clock.

Your 8700K has an average task run time of 1610 seconds (simulated HT off/6 cores) for a PPD of 54197.

With SMT off in bios (8 cores), my 3700X has an average task run time of 1759 seconds for a PPD of 66141.

EDIT: Is your 8700K overclocked?
 

crashtech

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@biodoc , I should have said clock-for-clock AND core-for-core, obviously the 3700X has an advantage due to the extra cores, but for sheer per-core crunching power without any other considerations (power draw) Intel is still on top. Your results point to a 9% difference per WU, that's not far off my initial observation. Maybe at some point I'll do some power measurements, but I would bet any amount of money that AMD is now on top in PPD/kWh
 

Ken g6

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Day 3 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
11_____1816166____crashtech
26_____918645_____emoga
27_____843797_____Howdy
44_____576364_____biodoc
59_____432402_____phoenicis
77_____308388_____Orange Kid
81_____282869_____Ken_g6
106____181877___10esseeTony
205____63283______Modular
219____56093______zzuupp
234____49043______VirtualLarry
444____2362_______Kiska

Rank__Credits____Team
3_____8642173____SETI.Germany
4_____6894785____Sicituradastra.
5_____6663486____[H]ard|OCP
6_____5530957____TeAm AnandTech
7_____4252871____Crunching@EVGA
8_____3590662____AMD Users
9_____2728906____Rechenkraft.net

Thanks for joining, @Kiska! With @emoga out, and a lot of us like me at least slowed by the heat, we really do need all the help we can get!
 

Modular

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I just got my Celeron G3930 up and running last night. It looks like both cores are running and crunching these WU's in 1 hour and 15 minutes or so. I don't know if that's any good or not, but my 4770k is taking about 40 minutes per WU and does 4 at a time. Maybe I'll mess with running the CFG to make the Celeron run 2 threads per and see if that makes it any faster.
 
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crashtech

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I just got my Celeron G3930 up and running last night. It looks like both cores are running and crunching these WU's in 1 hour and 15 minutes or so. I don't know if that's any good or not, but my 4770k is taking about 40 minutes per WU and does 4 at a time. Maybe I'll mess with running the CFG to make the Celeron run 2 threads per and see if that makes it any faster.
That's not terrible. For comparison, I have a Sandy Bridge Xeon with AVX (not AVX2) that finishes these tasks in about an hour. So the G3930 benefits from Skylake's uarch changes even while is suffers from lack of AVX. I think running 1 task of 2 threads might benefit you because the G3930's cache is small.
 
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Ken g6

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I've been so busy dealing with the hottest day of the year I forgot Day 4 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
11_____2660325____crashtech
26_____1262717____Howdy
39_____918645_____emoga
45_____824866_____biodoc
55_____699341_____phoenicis
70_____562116___10esseeTony
79_____444301_____Orange Kid
88_____377994_____Ken_g6
184____109769_____VirtualLarry
195____99158______Modular
203____95019______zzuupp
233____77789______Lane42
310____28214______Kiska

Rank__Credits____Team
3_____12299818___SETI.Germany
4_____10411667___[H]ard|OCP
5_____9930940____Sicituradastra.
6_____8160259____TeAm AnandTech
7_____6248285____Crunching@EVGA
8_____5855590____AMD Users
9_____4144269____Rechenkraft.net

I guess heat does tend to affect the Sic more than others.
 

Ed1

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2 threads with HT/SMT seems to be a universal default for this task, if you look at Stefan's charts, the worst leaving HT on did was cause a 3% regression compared to the best case on his big Xeons. Even so, I may try to use Process Lasso to virtually disable HT on the 2P systems and see what happens.
FWIW; Just a heads up if not known Process lasso 9.1+ (now 9.2) has new Instance balancer that may help in controlling many exe instances.

The new option prefixed with a ‘childof: setting with the exe (childof: boinc.exe ).
https://bitsum.com/product-update/processlasso-v901/
 
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Ken g6

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Preliminary final stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
12_____3131002____crashtech
25_____1496407____Howdy
46_____962984_____biodoc
49_____918645_____emoga
53_____837299_____phoenicis
57_____768420___10esseeTony
77_____516823_____Orange Kid
88_____439077_____Ken_g6
186____123496_____VirtualLarry
196____119055_____Lane42
197____117636_____Modular
198____117394_____zzuupp
283____48716______Kiska

Rank__Credits____Team
3_____14499992___SETI.Germany
4_____11830105___[H]ard|OCP
5_____11585501___Sicituradastra.
6_____9596959____TeAm AnandTech
7_____7339274____Crunching@EVGA
8_____7284007____AMD Users
9_____4973287____Rechenkraft.net

Pretty good for the hottest week of the year! We're stuck in the middle so I don't think our rank will change.

Let your computers get some rest, but not too much. There's another challenge in just two weeks!
 

VirtualLarry

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Aug 25, 2001
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Thanks for the stats, and thanks TeAm. Glad to participate, has been a while. (Been really slacking about some of these recent races, sorry peeps.)

So, this race is over? I just got my R5 3600 under water! I replaced my 2700 @ 4.0Ghz (WCG CPU cruncher), with my R5 3600. I wanted to see how it would crunch 12 threads of PrimeGrid PPS LLR under 240mm AIO WC. Since under air (65W Wraith Stealth, 95W Wraith Spire, 125W old-school AMD quad-heatpipe rectangular cooler with 80mm fan, and even a Gammaxx 400 w/120mm fan, all of them, temps would go to 95C+. Even at stock settings in my Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX board, with 1.0.0.3AB AGESA BIOS version.)

This may become my new machine, and I may look at replacing my two Rosewill Magnetar cases, because they don't have any top vents. This rig is in a Rosewill Stryker M, which has top vents / WC mounts, and a dust filter.
 
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VirtualLarry

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@VirtualLarry , what temps are you getting with the 3600 under water? Does it maintain high clocks under full load?
About 78-86C, 3950-3995Mhz, 12 threads crunching in BOINC. (Edit: Those would be WCG, this used to be my WCG CPU crunching box.) Would be nice if I could get an even 4000Mhz. I might try for a fixed all-core clock again on this rig with the WC.

Edit: Now on a fixed-core OC of 4000Mhz, 1.365V. I used the "AMD Overclock" option menu, to set fixed Mhz and vcore, and NOT the Asus menu items under "AI menu" or whatever it's called. Those didn't seem to work, it wouldn't boot. But setting the options under "AMD Overclock", seemed to override the Asus primary menu items, and then it Just Worked.

Temps actually seem BETTER, with a fixed 4000Mhz OC, 1.3625V. 76-78C, rather than 81-86C. Then again, maybe it's just that the water cooled down, or my PrimeGrid task finished.
 
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