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Ken g6

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Current challenge: Prime Sierpinski Problem (PSP) LLR, December 12-21 (04:19 UTC)

Happy new year! Here's the (tentative) list of this year's PrimeGrid challenges:

Code:
#  Date             Time UTC  Project  Duration  Challenge
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1   7-22 January    05:43:00  SoB-LLR  15 days   Conjunction of Venus & Jupiter Challenge
2   5-10 March      18:00:00  GCW-LLR  5 days    Year of the Pig(ging out on our CPU cycles :P) Challenge
3  24-31 May        00:00:00  TRP-LLR  7 days    Hans Ivar Riesel's 90th Birthday Challenge
4  15-20 July       20:17:00  PPS-LLR  5 days    50th Anniversary of the Moon Landing Challenge
5   3-10 August     00:00:00  ESP-LLR  7 days    Lennart Vogel Honorary Challenge
6  21-26 September  11:00:00  AP27     5 days    Oktoberfest Challenge
7  10-15 October    18:00:00  PPS-DIV  5 days    World Maths Day Challenge
8  24-29 October    00:00:00  321-LLR  5 days    50 years First ARPANET Connection Challenge
9   1-11 November   18:04:00  PSP-LLR  10 days   Transit of Mercury Across the Sun Challenge
10 12-22 December   04:19:00  GFN-21+  10 days   Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! Oi! Oi! Oi! Summer Solstice Challenge

What you need:
  • One or more fast x86 processors, preferably with lots of cores. (Even slow ones might do!)
  • Windows (Vista or later 64-bit, or XP or later 32-bit), Linux, or MacOS 10.4+.
  • BOINC, attached to PrimeGrid (http://www.primegrid.com/).
  • Your PrimeGrid Preferences with only the above project(s) selected in the Projects section.
  • Patience! All of these projects run long, slow WUs, at least on your CPU. As a result, no challenge is less than five days long.

What may help LLR (all but two of the challenges):
  • An Intel Sandy Bridge or later ("Core series" other than first-generation) processor with AVX may be 20-70% faster than with the default application. Sadly, that does not include Pentium or Celeron processors, or AMD processors.
  • In most challenges - probably all of these since their WUs are so large - it helps to enable multi-core processing with app_config.xml. Leave hyper-threading on if you do this!
  • Faster RAM might help on many challenges, as long as it's stable.
What may help in other challenges:
  • A GPU helps in two challenges.
  • Juggling in some extra WUs may help in challenges where you run more than one WU on the CPU at a time. (Or, switching to use all cores on one WU at the end may work equally well.)
  • Turning on hyper-threading may help.

What won't help (but won't hurt either):
  • A large amount of RAM.
  • Any Android devices.

What won't help (and will hurt, sort of):
  • Unstable processors. (Invalid work will be deducted! If Prime95 worked recently on your processor, it should be stable.)
  • Work not downloaded anduploaded within the challenge. (It's not counted.) Should you not be able to be in front of one or more computers at that time, there are several options:
    • You can often set BOINC's network connection preferences to wait until a minute or two after challenge time.
    • And for short work units, you can just set the queue level very low (0.01 days). This also makes it more likely that you will be a prime finder rather than a double-checker. But you might want to raise their queue size after the challenge is underway.

Welcome and good luck to all!

P.S. If no one has posted stats lately, try tracking your stats with my user script. With that installed, visit the current challenge's Team stats link for TeAm stats.
 
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Ken g6

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Day 3.2 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
59_____368574_____biodoc
62_____347918_____Orange Kid
67_____327813_____xii5ku
68_____324560_____Ken_g6
76_____284343_____crashtech
102____167184_____phoenicis
106____151652___10esseeTony
190____33675______zzuupp

Rank__Credits____Team
9_____2596577____The Knights Who Say Ni!
10____2263320____Crunching@EVGA
11____2099096____Antarctic Crunchers
12____2005723____TeAm AnandTech
13____1786563____Storm
14____1320177____Ukraine
15____1094829____Team 2ch

That's better participation. And we moved up one place so far.
 

Modular

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Let us know the final time on a work unit. My 5820K is similar, but I am using HT and 100% CPU. I am seeing 31,000 sec run time/120,000 total CPU time running 4 threads per task.

The first one to complete looks like it took 67,000 sec run time and 107,000 sec CPU time. I'm not sure how accurate that is as it was also part of the first batch of 8 that were running concurrently for 12 hours before I made the changes, though. I'll see what the numbers look like and report back as the day wears on.
 
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StefanR5R

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It's overwhelming that every project has it's own little (or big) ecosystem with forums, users, etc.
I agree. I am always glad if a team mate helps with some pointers, or if I find out that I made notes about a project when I ran it previously.

The first one to complete looks like it took 67,000 sec run time and 107,000 sec CPU time. I'm not sure how accurate that is as it was also part of the first batch of 8 that were running concurrently for 12 hours before I made the changes, though. I'll see what the numbers look like and report back as the day wears on.
Here are results with another Haswell 4C/8T processor with ESP-LLR:
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/primegrid-cpu-benchmarks.2496448/post-39457805
As this was a year ago, ESP tasks were somewhat smaller (FFT data size then: 9.2 MB, now: 10.0 MB).

Post #1 of that thread has got a table of contents BTW. :-)
Alas the info in this thread is slowly but steadily aging.
 
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Ken g6

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Hey, I'm early...er. Day 4.1 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
53_____538406_____biodoc
62_____504317___10esseeTony
64_____487623_____xii5ku
68_____464724_____Orange Kid
70_____446990_____crashtech
74_____425469_____Ken_g6
87_____315500_____phoenicis
199____50533______VirtualLarry
200____50512______zzuupp
228____25335______Modular
240____16782______Kiska

Rank__Credits____Team
7_____4342940____Rechenkraft.net
8_____3799474____BOINC@MIXI
9_____3392526____The Knights Who Say Ni!
10____3326194____TeAm AnandTech
11____3033309____Crunching@EVGA
12____2770409____Antarctic Crunchers
13____2575966____Storm

Well, I got passed. But so did EVGA.
 

Orange Kid

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Tony is on quite the run, has passed us all and resides at the top of the heap. Crashes self-crunching machine is cruzing past without a driver. Only phoenicis is left to go by and then to relax in middle.
The TeAm has passed the Ni! sayers too.
 

StefanR5R

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As this was a year ago, ESP tasks were somewhat smaller (FFT data size then: 9.2 MB, now: 10.0 MB).
Current run times are noticeably increased for me, relative to when I joined this challenge. One of the tasks which I have currently running has got an FFT length of 1440K, i.e. FFT data size of 11.25 MB. (grep -r FFT /var/lib/boinc/slots)

Edit:
Correction, it's 6 out of the 20 most current tasks which have this larger FFT length.
 
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biodoc

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FFT length of 1440K, i.e. FFT data size of 11.25 MB

I've got 2/4 of those on 3700X's now.

I fired up my Ivy Bridges yesterday but they are still working on tasks that were downloaded when I asked for work. I'm running those with 1 task per 10 cores (simulated HT off). Essentially 1 tasks per socket. The tasks complete in ~15,000 seconds.
 

TennesseeTony

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Tony is on quite the run, has passed us all and resides at the top of the heap........

Yeah....what's up with that? I'm only running my Haswells and one Skylake, so that is .... 124 threads, HT on, 100% CPU. Maybe it's cache size? I noticed yesterday on the 5820k that running more than two tasks substantially slowed it's progress, from 8+ hours to 11+ hours (4 threads each). I am running 4 tasks per processor on the big XEONs, which have more cache (7 threads/task).
 

Ken g6

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Day 5.1 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
46_____844689___10esseeTony
49_____826482_____biodoc
54_____789862_____xii5ku
68_____603698_____crashtech
70_____567107_____Orange Kid
74_____542047_____Ken_g6
80_____485971_____phoenicis
183____101046_____VirtualLarry
190____87658______zzuupp
227____45622______Modular
239____33600______Kiska

Rank__Credits____Team
5_____8882146____AMD Users
6_____7587648____[H]ard|OCP
7_____5511698____Rechenkraft.net
8_____4927786____TeAm AnandTech
9_____4768388____BOINC@MIXI
10____4341101____The Knights Who Say Ni!
11____3886124____Crunching@EVGA

I am running 4 tasks per processor on the big XEONs, which have more cache (7 threads/task).
I am running only two, at 7 threads each, on mine. Though three might be optimal.
 

Ken g6

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Day 6 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
26_____1599944____xii5ku
38_____1207564___10esseeTony
47_____1068958____biodoc
67_____754365_____crashtech
72_____673271_____Orange Kid
74_____651382_____phoenicis
77_____638441_____Ken_g6
183____123504_____zzuupp
196____101046_____VirtualLarry
246____50432______Kiska
257____45622______Modular

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____11181540___Sicituradastra.
5_____10003185___AMD Users
6_____9193262____[H]ard|OCP
7_____6914534____TeAm AnandTech
8_____6623931____Rechenkraft.net
9_____5598457____BOINC@MIXI
10____5159744____The Knights Who Say Ni!

Yay, 7eAm! I think it would be [H]ard to get 6th.
 

StefanR5R

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Juggling in some extra WUs may help in challenges where you run more than one WU on the CPU at a time. (Or, switching to use all cores on one WU at the end may work equally well.)
I'm trying a combination of both. I've got two of those pesky cloud users in my back; don't want them to pass me in the last minute. :-)
 
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Ken g6

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Day 7 (preliminary final) stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
21_____2597924____xii5ku
34_____1641251___10esseeTony
40_____1354316____biodoc
64_____925318_____crashtech
72_____817648_____phoenicis
73_____814728_____Orange Kid
78_____765882_____Ken_g6
185____142294_____zzuupp
214____101046_____VirtualLarry
235____72895______Modular
242____67288______Kiska

Rank__Credits____Team
4_____13321695___Sicituradastra.
5_____11146325___AMD Users
6_____10901383___[H]ard|OCP
7_____9300595____TeAm AnandTech
8_____8389341____Rechenkraft.net
9_____6619631____BOINC@MIXI
10____6102689____The Knights Who Say Ni!

7AA7's the way we like it! I'm guessing @StefanR5R managed to shoo those pesky clouds away too.
 

VirtualLarry

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Thanks for the stats! Sorry that I bowed out after 12 WUs (two batchs of 6, I'm on a 6C/12T R5 3600 CPU), I didn't think that I had enough time for a third batch. Maybe if I had managed them better, I could have squeezed them in. I switched back over to WCG.

On the plus side, with 12 threads of WCG, my CPU temps is 71-77C in Ryzen Master, versus 89-92C with PrimeGrid.
(I don't think that the WCG projects use AVX/AVX2. If they do, it's not nearly as intense as PrimeGrid uses them, on PPS LLR or ESP.)
 

crashtech

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So this happened while we were paying attention to Seti:

https://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=8750&nowrap=true#132260
PrimeGrid will be switching to a preferences-based method for setting up multi-threading in the near future.
If you are using app_config.xml (probably to set up multi-threading) it's going to stop working when the multi-threading system goes live. If you want your app_config.xml to continue working, you should make modifications now that will allow it to work both before and after the change.

Only LLR projects are affected.

Every <app_version> block for an LLR project should be duplicated, with the duplicate having a <plan_class>mt<plan_class> line added to it. For example, this is the before and after for ESP, set up for 4 threads:


Code:
<app>  
    <name>llrESP</name>  <fraction_done_exact>1</fraction_done_exact>     
    <report_results_immediately>1</report_results_immediately>
 </app>

 <app_version>  
    <app_name>llrESP</app_name> 
    <cmdline>-t 4</cmdline>  
    <avg_ncpus>4</avg_ncpus> 
</app_version>

 <app_version> 
     <app_name>llrESP</app_name>
     <plan_class>mt</plan_class>
     <cmdline>-t 4</cmdline> 
     <avg_ncpus>4</avg_ncpus> 
</app_version>
 
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StefanR5R

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Thanks for the heads up.
The planned web prefs would need to be switched back and forth for each LLR subproject:
Michael Goetz said:
1) In the preferences selection, there will be selections for "max jobs" and "max cpus", similar to the settings in app_config.

2) Unlike app_config, these two settings apply to ALL apps. You can't chose 1 thread for SGS and 4 for SoB. When you change apps, you need to change your multithreading settings if you want to run a different number of threads.
Furthermore, different computers would need different "locations" for the web prefs. Sticking with individual app_config.xml's for each computer, with sections for each LLR subproject, will probably be more convenient for myself.
 
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crashtech

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Thanks for the heads up.
The planned web prefs would need to be switched back and forth for each LLR subproject:

Furthermore, different computers would need different "locations" for the web prefs. Sticking with individual app_config.xml's for each computer, with sections for each LLR subproject, will probably be more convenient for myself.
Agreed, I really don't prefer setting up locations unless it's the only way.
 

VirtualLarry

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6 21-26 September 11:00:00 AP27 5 days Oktoberfest Challenge

I want to be "Primed" and Ready for this challenge, I assume it will utilize GPUs too?

What kind of GPU to buy? Have they worked out the RX 5700 (XT) (Navi) OpenCL issues yet, with DC apps? If not, then I'm toying with buying a new GPU, depending on available discounts at the beginning of next month when I get my check, between:
GTX 1660 ti $250
RTX 2060 $300
RTX 2060 Super $400
RTX 2070 (Refurb) $400
RTX 2070 Super $500-520

My budget is roughly $400, estimated, so it would be stretching it to get the 2070 Super, but if I were able to sell some of my parts / older RX 570 GPUs, I could probably swing it, and that would put me in a good position for the F@H race in Dec., I feel too.

There is also a GTX 1650 ti coming out, rumored in Oct. 2019, but that will be limited still to 4GB GDDR5, which makes it old news already. (Though, there might be models without a 6-pin PCI-E power connector, those will be ones to watch for OEM rig upgrades.)
 
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StefanR5R

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When you edit the primegrid web preferences, it currently says
Recent average CPU time: 28:21:58​
Recent average GPU time: 2:30:36​

They have a list with relative GPU performance.

The GPU application requires 1.5 GB VRAM, from what I understand.

2018 info:
One task per GPU is sufficient for full GPU utilization on large Pascals.
On Linux kernels, the nopti kernel command line parameter decreases GPU job runtime somewhat.
 
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