PrimeGrid LLR Races Thread 2015

Ken g6

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Current race: Sophie Germain Prime Search (LLR), November 14-17 (18:00 UTC)

Welcome to another year of PrimeGrid races! Here's the (tentative) list of all races for this year:

Code:
1. 3-11  January    18:00 SOB-LLR, PSP-LLR, ESP-LLR   Year of the Sheep Challenge  8 days
2. 15-20 March      07:41 SR5-LLR                     Solar Eclipse Challenge      5 days
3. 23 April - 1 May 18:00 GFN-WR, GFN-Short (GPUs!)   World Expo Challenge         8 days
4. 12-15 June       18:00 SOB/PSP/ESP-Sieve           PrimeGrid Birthday Challenge 3 days
5. 10-12 August     18:00 TRP-Sieve                   Perseid Shower Challenge     2 days
6. 10-15 September  18:00 CUL-LLR                     Reign Record Challenge       5 days
7. 4-9 [s]7[/s] October    18:00 TRP-LLR                     World Animal Day Challenge   [s]3[/s] 5 days
[b]8. [s]12[/s] 14-17 Nov.    18:00 SGS-LLR                     Leonids Shower Challenge     [s]5[/s] 3 days[/b]
9. 19-22 December   04:48 PPS-Sieve (GPUs!)           Winter Solstice Challenge    3 days

The first and third races allow working on any of the projects listed. In both cases projects on the left provide more credit but require more CPU (or GPU) time.

The rest of the advice in this post is specifically about LLR races, which are 5 out of the 9 races.

What you need:
  • One or more fast x86 processors. (Even slow ones will do!)
  • Windows (Vista or later 64-bit, or XP or later 32-bit), Linux, or MacOS 10.4+.
  • BOINC, attached to PrimeGrid (http://www.primegrid.com/).
  • Your PrimeGrid Preferences with only the above project(s) selected in the Projects section.

What may help:
  • An Intel Sandy Bridge, Ivy Bridge, or Haswell-based ("Core series" other than first-generation) processor with AVX may be 20-70% faster than with the default application. Sadly, that does not include Pentium or Celeron processors, or AMD processors.
  • Turning off hyper-threading. It really does help, even more than just doing half as much work as you have virtual cores.
  • Faster RAM might help on many races, as long as it's stable.
  • A 64-bit OS may help a little.
  • [post=30943822]Juggling[/post] in some extra WUs.

What won't help (but won't hurt either):
  • A large amount of RAM.
  • Any GPUs.
  • Any Android devices.

What won't help (and will hurt, sort of):
  • Unstable processors. (Invalid work will be deducted! If Prime95 worked recently on your processor, it should be stable.)
  • Work not downloaded and uploaded within the challenge. (It's not counted.) Should you not be able to be in front of one or more computers at that time, there are several options:
    • You can often set BOINC's network connection preferences to wait until a minute or two after race time.
    • On Linux [post=29529001]my race script[/post] might work.
    • And for short work units, you can just set the queue level very low (0.01 days). This also makes it more likely that you will be a prime finder rather than a double-checker. But you might want to raise their queue size after the challenge is underway.

Welcome and good luck to all!

P.S. If no one has posted stats lately, try tracking your stats with my user script. With that installed, visit the current race's Team stats link for TeAm stats.
 
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Bradtech519

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I'll throw my laptops at it and my fx 8350. So the project won't use avx on my fx 8350? Or is it avx2 they are using?
 

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Also which tasks do you guys plan on accepting? Any of the ones they give credit for in this race? Or specific ones in the scope of what counts?
 

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So the project won't use avx on my fx 8350?
That's right. Sorry.
Also which tasks do you guys plan on accepting? Any of the ones they give credit for in this race? Or specific ones in the scope of what counts?
The first and third races allow working on any of the projects listed. In both cases projects on the left provide more credit but require more CPU (or GPU) time.
I might try SoBs for the first round on a machine with AVX. For those without AVX I'll be skipping that and starting with PSP.
Some timings taken from the race thread:

The challenge runs for 192 hours.

Intel Haswell @ 3.6Ghz with 2400 memory:
SoB: 105 hours
PSP: 40.5 hours.
ESP: 6.25 hours.

Intel Sandy Bridge 2600K @ 4.4Ghz (4 cores running) with 1866 memory 9-10-9-24 timings:

SoB: ~125.5 hrs
PSP: ~56 hrs
ESP: ~7.5 hrs

Intel Ivy Bridge 3570K @ 3.7Ghz with 1600 memory 8-8-8-24 timings:

SoB: ~145 hrs
PSP: ~59 hrs
ESP: ~8.5 hrs

Intel Ivy Bridge 3570K @ 4.4Ghz with 2400 memory 10-12-12-31 timings:

SoB: ~118 hrs
PSP: ~50 hrs
ESP: ~7 hrs

AMD Phenom II 970BE @ 3.7Ghz with 1333 memory 7-7-7-21 timings:

SoB: No chance.
PSP: ~124 hrs
ESP: ~18.5 hrs
 

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My two laptops have a Core I5 4200m & Core I7 3520m. I think I'll leave the SoB AVX work units checked. Hopefully the FX 8350 doesn't pick them up.
 

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My two laptops have a Core I5 4200m & Core I7 3520m. I think I'll leave the SoB AVX work units checked.
I'm leaving it checked on my i5-2540m. Looks like it will do one in <170 hours at ~2.9GHz, using ThrottleStop. It's actually throttling on power draw at that point, but it's in my basement so it's cool enough.

Hopefully the FX 8350 doesn't pick them up.
Michael Goetz said:
Miklos M. said:
Since there are three subprojects listed for the next challenge, how can I designate the one I would like to work on, since my slower computer may not be able to finish in time two of the longer projects?

Use different venues for each computer, and select a different project to run on each venue.
 

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Thanks for posting the timings. I think I'll be doing PSPs to start.
 

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Looks like I just have ESP & PSP checked. Leaving SOB off for now. As of now it's going to be my FX 8350 & Core I5 4200M. The I7 3520m isn't here with me. I may use it tomorrow. I'll be out of the house and have it on me for work.
 

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About an hour until the race starts. It looks like others have figured out [post=30943822]juggling[/post], so we probably should too.
  • If your SoB WUs will take between 96 and 128 hours you can juggle in 50% more on dual-core or better processors.
  • If your SoB WUs will take between 96 and 110 hours on a quad-core, you can juggle in 3 WUs.
  • If you really work at it diligently, you can juggle in one more WU on a quad-core that takes between 128 and 153 hours to finish an SoB, but that's a lot harder.

Also note that recent BOINC versions for Windows will calculate completion time more accurately - see the PrimeGrid news on the front page.
 

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I'm in and running off two systems. Primegrid is giving me some record temps on my CPU. Socket temp is 66c and package core temps 59c. Socket temps on pogs/universe usually are around 52c & core temps in the low to mid 40s. I believe the max is 70c socket 61c core.

I have 2 LLR & 6 ESP tasks running. Even with unchecking llr_sob it still gave me some tasks from it. It would take 258 hours to complete per BOINC on my FX 8350 stock.
 

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Brad, looks like your BOINC version is new enough that it should be calculating run times accurately. The race is 192 hours, so you might as well abort the SoBs on your FX.

My Q9400 hadn't completed 1% of the PSPs I had it doing in 2 hours. Therefore it was going to take ~200 hours. I aborted two and am running ESPs instead; that might allow for more memory bandwidth and speed up computation on the other two PSPs. I hope. I'll give them another hour or so. Edit: Nope, didn't help, all ESPs on that machine then.
 
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I have also gone 100% ESP tasks. It was hit and miss on which PSP tasks would finish in the duration of the event. I'd rather everything I do count than get a long WU that goes all day while I'm at work & come home to cancel 10-12 hours that could have went towards a task that would count.

Got anywhere from 23-28 hours before the first round of eight ESP_LLR tasks are done on my FX8350. The four tasks running on the I5 4200m will be done in 19-23 hours.
 
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Wow, there's SomethingSketchy and fast on this TeAm. Ryan is the first member of our TeAm to return work, and one of only six people overall to do so!

I completed an Extended Sierpinski Problem via my Haswell laptop (Core i7 4700MQ @ 2.4GHz) in 24,181.69 seconds (403.028 minutes). I'm not sure what other people are seeing with their processors, but looks like the Haswell CPUs are extremely fast for this competition, even with HT turned on.
 

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Day 1 stats:

Rank___Credits____Username
43_____14549______geecee
85_____7131_______Ryan
124____2512_______SlangNRox

Rank__Credits____Team
14____38362______HUNGARY - HAJRA MAGYARORSZAG! HAJRA MAGYAROK!
15____26919______SETI.USA
16____24585______SwissTeam 1
17____24193______TeAm AnandTech
18____24044______Nemesis Germany
19____16682______europe64
20____16672______Canada

Kinda low in the rankings, but it's hard to predict anything with all the PSP and SoB WUs still being worked on.
 

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Brad, looks like your BOINC version is new enough that it should be calculating run times accurately. The race is 192 hours, so you might as well abort the SoBs on your FX.

My Q9400 hadn't completed 1% of the PSPs I had it doing in 2 hours. Therefore it was going to take ~200 hours. I aborted two and am running ESPs instead; that might allow for more memory bandwidth and speed up computation on the other two PSPs. I hope. I'll give them another hour or so. Edit: Nope, didn't help, all ESPs on that machine then.

I didn't double check my progress until this morning & realized the same thing. ESPs are now running
 

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I've got SOB WUs running:

6 at 14% on the 4790K
5 at 15% on the 4770K

And 4 PSP at 16% on the i7 920

The PSP and SOB better be worth LOTS of points!
 

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Based on other peoples' results from a month or two back, it looks like each SoB is worth ~50,000 points! Each ESP seems to be worth ~2,500. I dunno about PSP. I have two SoBs and two PSPs in progress.
 

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From the Primegrid thread:

stream said:
According to data from my systems after first day, it seems that standard or moderately overclocked Haswell CPUs will require about 100 hours to finish one set of SoB tasks. I.e. if they try to run second set, they will miss the deadline of the challenge by very small amount (4-8 hours). So be aware.

Or better yet, wait until the WUs are at 75% and [post=30943822]juggle in three[/post]
 
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