Prince dead? -- confirmed

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SKORPI0

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Prince doctor who treated singer in weeks before his death identified as police raid Paisley Park estate

A doctor who treated Prince in the weeks ahead of his death has been identified in a search warrant.
Police obtained a warrant for North Memorial Medical Centre in Minneapolis where Dr. Michael Todd Schulenberg, a family practitioner, worked, according to TMZ.
The warrant authorised the search for all medical records, prescriptions and doctor’s notes for the late singer.
The website reports that police interviewed the doctor and he acknowledged that he had treated the Raspberry Beret star twice in April - once on April 7 and again on April 20 which was the day before he was found dead in a lift.
He also said he prescribed medication for Prince, which were reportedly supposed to be filled at Walgreen's, where he visited four times in the week before his death.
He also reportedly told police he ran tests on the singer and was at Prince’s home the day he died in order to give him the test results.
It's unclear what the tests were for.
 

BoomerD

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Not surprised at the final cause...well, maybe I kind of am, after all, I don't get why talented musicians would abuse such drugs...but they do...and because of that, I'm really NOT surprised that drug OD was the cause of his death.
 

zinfamous

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We don't know, it might have been intentional.

maybe, maybe not--but unintentional ODing on opioids + sleeping pills + alcohol, et al. is getting more an more common.

each one of those is highly addictive on its own and really only takes one thoughtless incident of improper mixing for someone to check out.
 

alien42

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Not surprised at the final cause...well, maybe I kind of am, after all, I don't get why talented musicians would abuse such drugs...but they do...and because of that, I'm really NOT surprised that drug OD was the cause of his death.

this has absolutely nothing to do with him being a musician and everything to do with his needing a double-hip replacement and dealing with serious pain, just like plenty of normal Americans.
 
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this has absolutely nothing to do with him being a musician and everything to do with his needing a double-hip replacement and dealing with serious pain, just like plenty of normal Americans.

bingo.
I'd speculate that his tolerance for pain meds was through the roof and he needed to really load up to get any kind of pain relief.
Still hard to believe he's gone
 

zinfamous

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doesn't change the fact he's a dummy for OD'ing on it.

I don't think you get it. You don't have to be a dummy to OD this way. You can be, but it isn't a requirement in the least.

This is very easy to do because these pills are relatively benign on their own in typical doses, with regular users.
 

purbeast0

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I don't think you get it. You don't have to be a dummy to OD this way. You can be, but it isn't a requirement in the least.

This is very easy to do because these pills are relatively benign on their own in typical doses, with regular users.

gonna have to disagree, since there are so many many people who take these meds and don't OD and die.
 

Homerboy

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doesn't change the fact he's a dummy for OD'ing on it.

That's just a stupid and ignorant statement.

Fentanyl is about 80 times more potent than morphine and hundreds of times more potent than heroin, according to the CDC.
 

jackstar7

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doesn't change the fact he's a dummy for OD'ing on it.

What's fun is that you'll do less in your longer life than he did in just about any given year of his career.

But hey, whatever makes you feel superior to an icon, buddy.
 

zinfamous

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gonna have to disagree, since there are so many many people who take these meds and don't OD and die.

you still don't get it. If this were an accident (not saying it was for Prince), but the fact that real people really do this accidentally isn't discounted by some statistic where thousands of people don't do it accidentally.

It is not related to being stupid.

Assuming you've ever done hard labor in your life--how many nails have you personally hammered into a surface? Have you ever smashed your finger in one of those instances? Bit of an accident, right? Did you feel dumber for it, or understand the risk going in? It's an easy mistake to make, stakes are a bit different, though.
 

sportage

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One would think being a super star and extremely famous and admired by millions and rich as hell and talented as hell would be enough to satisfy anyone.
But still they need their drugs.
Kinda takes the fun out of wishing YOU were such a super star and as rich and talented.

I have a theory...
I don't believe the human mortal has the mental pr physical makeup to be God like.
I believe having extreme fame, adored by millions, and living with that is just too much for most humans to handle.

I believe that is why Amy Winehouse never survived. All she really wanted to do was play her music, strum her guitar, and write music to amuse herself.
The fact millions also loved what she done was too much to handle.

And Michael Jackson as well.
Can you imagine performing before millions, adored by millions, then coming home and being able to sleep after all that?
One would need the help of a doctor and to be put out in a coma to come anywhere near settling down and coming back down to earth.

Fame? We all wish we had some of it. Had all the talent. Had all that money and the millions of screaming fans, or do we?
I think fame is too much of a God-like state to achieve, and the human mortal is not a God.
Would anyone want to be in their shoes knowing they would od before seeing the age of 40?
Or needing a doctor to drug you into getting a good nights sleep?
 

flexy

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And Michael Jackson as well.
Can you imagine performing before millions, adored by millions, then coming home and being able to sleep after all that?
One would need the help of a doctor and to be put out in a coma to come anywhere near settling down and coming back down to earth.

Fame?

I disagree. MJ was a pro, he was a performer before he could even walk, this was his life.

It sure is not the "fame" per se, more so the pressure that arised from it. I don't think MJ had problems with "coming down to earth" but more to satisfy expectations millions had, the fear of failure, wanting to be perfect
 

DougK62

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I love you, Prince! You wrecked your hips trying to make us all happy, and I know your death was an accident from trying to deal with the pain. Thanks for all of the great music and charity work. RIP.
 

SKORPI0

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Just too bad his life ended that way. Yet another "accidental" drug related death. Pain must have been severe for him and take a dose that was enough to kill him.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drugs-abuse/fentanyl

Fentanyl

Common brands: Duragesic, Abstral, Subsys

Narcotic
It can treat severe pain.

Controlled substance

High risk for addiction and dependence. Can cause respiratory distress and death when taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.
 

Carson Dyle

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Just too bad his life ended that way. Yet another "accidental" drug related death. Pain must have been severe for him and take a dose that was enough to kill him.

Pain or the addiction itself, which commanded that he take more and more to achieve the same effect? He had probably been abusing opioids for years.
 

TheGardener

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I'm sure that a dozen people will write biographies of Prince over the next couple of years. Because they will come from different points of view, we won't know any more than we know now with any certainty. You'll just have to chose who's version of the truth you want to believe.
 

Eli

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Man, fuck fentanyl. That shit is bad news. It's just way, way too powerful.... Someone used to using/abusing more run of the mill opiates would have to be very, very, very careful not to OD. It's insane how powerful it is.

The typical dose for General Anesthesia during major surgery for an average weight person(80kg) would be 160-1600 micrograms. Or 0.16 to 1.6 milligrams - even the latter being a tiny, tiny amount. We're talking the difference between high and dead being the size of a pinhead here.

It's ridiculous. Having fentanyl in an illicit form(not that Prince did) is a death sentence. If this doctor gave him a ridiculous amount of the stuff, he should absolutely be held accountable.

He would likely still be with us, had someone been with him when he passed out.

Edit: Admittedly I don't know how to fix the problem. Stiffer penalties for those that manufacture illegally, I guess. But celebrities can get drugs far easier than the average citizen, not that it's exactly hard for the latter either...
 
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