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Given who you support, it's pretty obvious that you're delighted to drop civil liberties. No freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, no voting rights for minorities...
Wrong on all counts. Given who you supported you are the one that wants to stop freedom of religion, the right to bear arms and all 4th and 6th Amendment rights
 

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Wrong on all counts. Given who you supported you are the one that wants to stop freedom of religion, the right to bear arms and all 4th and 6th Amendment rights

I'm fine with freedom of religion. Where did I (or indeed, most people on the left) say I was against it? I'm also fine with all those amendments, although I don't fetishize the 2nd like you do.

Meanwhile, Sinclair is forcing broadcasters to be mindless right-wing propaganda machines, with Trump's blessing. Will you do the only acceptable thing and condemn both Sinclair and Trump for eroding freedom of the press?
 

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I'm fine with freedom of religion. Where did I (or indeed, most people on the left) say I was against it? I'm also fine with all those amendments, although I don't fetishize the 2nd like you do.

Meanwhile, Sinclair is forcing broadcasters to be mindless right-wing propaganda machines, with Trump's blessing. Will you do the only acceptable thing and condemn both Sinclair and Trump for eroding freedom of the press?

Sinclair isn’t being forced by the government to say (or not say) things so “eroding freedom of the press” not found. The 1A guarantees aren’t a promise the government will stop you from using your freedom of speech to say things which are stupid which is what Sinclair is doing.
 

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Sinclair isn’t being forced by the government to say (or not say) things so “eroding freedom of the press” not found. The 1A guarantees aren’t a promise the government will stop you from using your freedom of speech to say things which are stupid which is what Sinclair is doing.

My concern is more that Trump is cheerleading this. It's the President of the US declaring that a mindless propaganda move is wonderful while demonizing responsible, thorough journalistic outlets like the NYT and WaPo. A President who values the freedom of the press would not do this.
 

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LOL! I don't think it would hurt society one bit if BLACK WOMEN men lost the right to vote for 20 years.

Younigue said:
LOL! Obviously it's not possible. That doesn't change my opinion that society would likely benefit from BLACK WOMEN having to shut up for 20 years. It'll give the worst of them a chance to die off while society teaches the rest of them how to get their misplaced FEMININITY, greed, preferred lack of emotional connectivity and blood lust under control.

When you simply change the race or sex of your statement and it sounds terribly racist, then the original statement itself was racist.

It doesn't matter if your original statement was about white men, Asian men, Arab women, etc. When you advocate for removing the rights of people based solely on their skin color --

YOU ARE A RACIST.

You don't combat racism with more racism.
 

child of wonder

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Me? Against who? Men or Old men? Maybe white men? I'll let my white husband know immediately! He's downright pastey, he'll be devastated under the laughter.

Just because you have a white friend doesn't mean you aren't racist against white people.
 

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What he didn't ask me is if given the opportunity if I would take white men's vote away. I would not.

My hostility is toward Trumpublicans. Far too many of them are very hateful, profoundly insecure white men. That makes me sad. Still wouldn't take their vote away but I do judge them.

I see you're backing off.

Advocating for the removal of anyone's rights based on their skin color, sex, sexual orientation, etc. is terrible no matter what group you're targeting.

And, yes, judge away! My dad was a life long Democrat and voted for Trump and I tore into him for doing it. Deep down he is a racist and it's bullshit that he voted for Trump.
 

child of wonder

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Obviously behavior plays into how you will be treated, but it doesn't play into privilege because it is socially acceptable for behavior to influence how you are treated. On the other hand, in my opinion it is socially unacceptable for skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc to influence how you are treated, but frequently these things do.

They do! However, is that a sign of INSTITUTIONAL racism or INDIVIDUAL racism?
 

child of wonder

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Would your poor behavior involve having a cell phone in your hand? Not being white? Is your neighborhood diverse?

I suspect you understand this subject better than you're suggesting or want to believe.

As a whitey I never ever worry about being shot by the police and I even gave an officer a hard time about ticketing me for drinking and driving 27 years ago. I've never been in a store and had anyone assume I'd steal from them even though as a teenager I stole several pairs of longjohn's with a group of girls. We weren't even particular subtle in our thievery. I've never been suspected of being a terrorist, in this I have no example, I've never destroyed other people's properties or lives but if I were inclined to do far to many cops would have to sift through their biases before they'd even consider looking in my direction. More so because I'm white and female.

To have privilege and not be aware of it is a lie one tells themselves. Truly, being born white in America even if you have a horrendous life buys you privilege.

What the privileged should do is stand by their fellow humans and demand equal rights, equal due process, equal pay, equal opportunities. But too often the privilege consciously or subconsciously fear losing their own privileges. It's ugly but true.

Of course I do, but feigning ignorance and asking questions prompts a more interesting discussion than taking a hard stand one way or the other.

Whites get shot frequently by the police. I hope I don't have to post links. One, an Australian woman, was shot by a Somali police officer here in Minnesota. The officer now faces criminal charges (to which the local Somali community and Black Lives Matter are upset about). Why must police of any color be held accountable for shooting black people no matter the reason yet if a black officer shoots a white woman it's imperative they NOT be charged?

I'm 38 but look like I'm in my early 20's and have been watched very carefully as I peruse expensive items. Could I accuse the store owner of ageism or do they have personal experience that tells them younger people are more prone to shoplift? If the latter, is that bias justified?

Individual police officers definitely have personal bias, but is that a reflection of the entire system being racist or people being biased or racist? Does labeling the entire system as racist and viewing every issue through the lens of assumed racism help or worsen individual racism?
 

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Or you could just spend 15 minutes searching Youtube and find plenty of videos of black people getting pulled over for minor traffic violations and cops approaching the car with guns drawn. You ever have a cop approach your car with his gun drawn after getting pulled over for speeding or a broken tail light? I sure haven't.

White people and black people use drugs at roughly the same rate but do a quick google search on the percentage of white/black people in jail on drug charges. They have even done studies where they would call companies looking to hire and give names that sounded white and names that sounded black but with the same qualifications and the "white" names got called back a lot more. Or maybe they sent in applications or something, I don't recall the specifics but I am sure you could find a few of them if you are even remotely interested in the topic like you claim to be.

Yes. I was once surrounded by police cars with weapons drawn because they thought I was a drunk driver who had nearly hit a pedestrian. Turns out the drunk wasn't the only person in the area driving a red Pontiac Grand Am. I kept my hands on the steering wheel, followed their commands, and it became quickly evident I wasn't the person they were looking for. Had I handled that situation EXACTLY the same way but had black skin are you saying I should expect a different outcome?

Statistics from the US Department of Health and Human Services don't seem to support that. Whites report illicit drug use at 9.5%, Blacks at 10.5%, and people reporting two or more races 17.4%.

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUHresultsPDFWHTML2013/Web/NSDUHresults2013.pdf - page 29

What percentage of blacks and whites convicted of drug charges have a previous criminal record, specifically felony or violent felony history? If there's a difference, could that account for part of the sentencing discrepancy?

I remember that study and I think it paints a clear picture that individual racism and racial bias is alive and well. But if a HR person does not pass along a resume of a black candidate does that make the company itself racist? If the company were made aware of this is it likely they would change?
 

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To some degree, but that's highlighting fear of being wrong or social repercussion. Certainly that's present, but even if I wanted I really wasn't taught how to recognize my feelings and how to express them in language that allowed me to own how I felt whether it was accepted or not. No one modeled those discussions. When race came up it was either idealized equality strances or it was harsh protective/prejudiced. Part of it was my general community was virtually homogenous. I was able to avoid confronting my feelings and my biases all my life, and still can and to some degree do. But being able to do that is privilege. And I've certainly benefited from it without appreciating it as such.

I understand most of that I think, but there is one part that I think is causing my confusion. The core issue is not unique to race as it would seem to me. I think you are saying that you had feelings that you may or may not fully understand, but that you could not express accurately. That, or you could not translate them to words that others would understand. To me that is not something unique to race and or privilege. I think that is something that is part of the human condition, which is that your thoughts are far easier to emotionally understand than they are to express to another person as the context of your feelings are lost.

In fact, this very discussion is an example of that. I believe that your idea is probably far more clear to you than what I am understanding. Part of that might be in how you are explaining yourself, but the likely larger part is my ability to understand what you are saying.
 

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Yes. I was once surrounded by police cars with weapons drawn because they thought I was a drunk driver who had nearly hit a pedestrian. Turns out the drunk wasn't the only person in the area driving a red Pontiac Grand Am. I kept my hands on the steering wheel, followed their commands, and it became quickly evident I wasn't the person they were looking for. Had I handled that situation EXACTLY the same way but had black skin are you saying I should expect a different outcome?

Statistics from the US Department of Health and Human Services don't seem to support that. Whites report illicit drug use at 9.5%, Blacks at 10.5%, and people reporting two or more races 17.4%.

https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUHresultsPDFWHTML2013/Web/NSDUHresults2013.pdf - page 29

What percentage of blacks and whites convicted of drug charges have a previous criminal record, specifically felony or violent felony history? If there's a difference, could that account for part of the sentencing discrepancy?

I remember that study and I think it paints a clear picture that individual racism and racial bias is alive and well. But if a HR person does not pass along a resume of a black candidate does that make the company itself racist? If the company were made aware of this is it likely they would change?

I curious why you are bending over backwards to try and show institutional/structural racism doesn’t exist?

As a white guy it’s highly likely you (or I) won’t even recognize racism unless it’s blatant.

https://equity.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Salvatore-Shelton-2007.pdf

The above is average time it took subjects of different races to perform a cognitive test after being exposed to blatant prejudice or ambiguous prejudice in a corporate type setting.

Black subjects were less impacted by blatant prejudice indicating coping mechanisms. However ambiguous prejudice caused a significant mental load.

For white subjects, witnessing blatant prejudice caused the large cognitive load but for the ambiguous prejudice the researchers used to simulate institutional racism the white candidates basically didn’t notice.
 

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It's still amusing how so many white people (primarily conservatives, though not exclusively) rush to declare racism over, as if the end to Jim Crow laws suddenly turned every racist into a card-carrying MLK fan.

Arguably, white privilege exists as a concept because racism has been pushed more into the ambiguous and passive-aggressive realms. Instead of banning black people from your store, you have staff follow them around on the assumption they'll shoplift. Instead of redlining districts to exclude black people, you gut funding for the public schools and health care programs that would improve their economic prospects. Instead of encouraging police to beat up black protesters, you let officers get away with arbitrary traffic stops, random searches and conveniently excessive uses of force. The racism still exists, it's just pushed far enough below the surface that some white people can pretend they no longer have an advantage -- they want to revel in racism without feeling guilty about it.
 

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They do! However, is that a sign of INSTITUTIONAL racism or INDIVIDUAL racism?
I would say there is very little doubt that institutional racism is still a major issue in America. Look no further than Trump pardoning Shapiro, excusing him for his very blatant implementation of institutionalized racism. Consider reactions from Trump when a shooter is non-white compared to white. Look at America's initial response to AIDS back in the 80s and 90s. As others have stated, look at drug use vs drug convictions. Look at juvenile crime statistics. Look at implementation of the death penalty. Institutional racism is still pervasive in American society. It might not be as blatant as it was 50 years ago, but we still have a lot of improvements we can make. This isn't to say that every white male is to blame. This is simply saying that a problem exists and we need to think about how we can improve it.
 

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When you simply change the race or sex of your statement and it sounds terribly racist, then the original statement itself was racist.

It doesn't matter if your original statement was about white men, Asian men, Arab women, etc. When you advocate for removing the rights of people based solely on their skin color --

YOU ARE A RACIST.

You don't combat racism with more racism.
LOL you're hysterical!
 

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I curious why you are bending over backwards to try and show institutional/structural racism doesn’t exist?

As a white guy it’s highly likely you (or I) won’t even recognize racism unless it’s blatant.

https://equity.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Salvatore-Shelton-2007.pdf

The above is average time it took subjects of different races to perform a cognitive test after being exposed to blatant prejudice or ambiguous prejudice in a corporate type setting.

Black subjects were less impacted by blatant prejudice indicating coping mechanisms. However ambiguous prejudice caused a significant mental load.

For white subjects, witnessing blatant prejudice caused the large cognitive load but for the ambiguous prejudice the researchers used to simulate institutional racism the white candidates basically didn’t notice.

Because claiming racism exists (which it does) and that people can be racist (which they do) is quite different than claiming institutions and systems themselves are racist. The United States has all kinds of laws on the books making racism in hiring practices, lending, etc. illegal and other laws to promote the advancement of people of color yet how can we claim the government of the United States is itself racist? When Jim Crow laws and slavery were in effect that absolutely would have been true, but not today.

Individuals in positions of power may have racist tendencies and biases and they could use their influence to enact racist policies but the overall makeup of the country will eventually right the ship as people in general are not racists.

Can you give me a concrete example of structural or institutional racism?
 

child of wonder

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I would say there is very little doubt that institutional racism is still a major issue in America. Look no further than Trump pardoning Shapiro, excusing him for his very blatant implementation of institutionalized racism. Consider reactions from Trump when a shooter is non-white compared to white. Look at America's initial response to AIDS back in the 80s and 90s. As others have stated, look at drug use vs drug convictions. Look at juvenile crime statistics. Look at implementation of the death penalty. Institutional racism is still pervasive in American society. It might not be as blatant as it was 50 years ago, but we still have a lot of improvements we can make. This isn't to say that every white male is to blame. This is simply saying that a problem exists and we need to think about how we can improve it.

Trump is likely a racist but I wouldn't include his actions as institutional racism as he's an individual racist who holds a position of authority that grants him the ability to enact racist policies. If the people of America support his racism, then I'd agree we have institutional racism at work as the ship would clearly be steering in the wrong direction.

Your other examples I believe are hit or miss, but where we do agree is that racism is a problem and we do need to think about how we can improve it. I think that comes from education, particularly by parents, but it also comes from not finding ways to view everything through the lens of race. My children didn't think Obama getting elected in 2008 was a big deal at all because the idea of a black person being president seemed no more significant to them than a blue eyed person becoming president. That's a world I hope we can get to.
 

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I understand most of that I think, but there is one part that I think is causing my confusion. The core issue is not unique to race as it would seem to me. I think you are saying that you had feelings that you may or may not fully understand, but that you could not express accurately. That, or you could not translate them to words that others would understand. To me that is not something unique to race and or privilege. I think that is something that is part of the human condition, which is that your thoughts are far easier to emotionally understand than they are to express to another person as the context of your feelings are lost.

In fact, this very discussion is an example of that. I believe that your idea is probably far more clear to you than what I am understanding. Part of that might be in how you are explaining yourself, but the likely larger part is my ability to understand what you are saying.

The underlying individual psychological mechanisms of race dynamics are not unique to race or privilege. Institutionally/culturally/structurally the US acts in ways which heavily produce and reinforce those dynamics. For that reason, it is very important to talk about race explicitly. The product of our society is that people of color are systematically disadvantaged and people who are not making themselves active participants in discrimination nonetheless are serving to keep the systematic disadvantage going by electing not to confront it. Not in a political or activism way. But in a human, everyday way. The capacity to elect not to confront their racial conflicts is privilege that people of color do not share. People are not bad for having privilege and they are not bad for taking advantage of it. But they could be better if they recognize it more and choose to make themselves uncomfortable by confronting their racial biases and attitudes and bringing it to the surface in everyday life.
 

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Just because you have a white friend doesn't mean you aren't racist against white people.
Should I mention that I myself am super white? Partially because the sun hates me so I avoid it but also because ya know, genetics. My family has even named a specific shade of white for my uncle. If something is that white, it's ridiculously white (he's not a racist).

There is no backing off. I was joking. I love men... who are decent human beings but... can't we call me a genderist instead of a racist? Ya know what, never mind darling, you think what you like.

You're debating a subject while avoiding facts. If your white experience isn't all you hoped it would be I assure you that is not the typical white experience.

The Trump Era has shown the reemergence of how many whites in the country are full of hate. That's outrageous and heartbreaking to this white. No, I don't want their vote on ANYTHING to count but I still wouldn't take their vote away if given the opportunity.

We good or do you still want to be falsely incensed by my "racist" existence?

If we must use the word racist to describe how I feel about indecent human beings ... then know this, I don't actually give a hoot what the color of their skin is. Trumpublicans, who happen to be predominantly HATEFUL Whites, I am absolutely "racist" against them.

DECENCY POWER! (I say with raised fist)

I'm debating whether to be "racist" against you for being a dick and purposefully ignorant.
 

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You don't actually understand the concept of privilege, then.

It doesn't mean you're automatically guilty or excluded from the discussion. It means you come to the table with advantages other groups don't have, and which you've likely taken for granted. And frequently, refusing to acknowledge that privilege can lead to making bad assumptions ("everybody has it as good as I do") that skew your decisions.

A classic example: traffic stops. White people don't get pulled over because they're driving a car that's "too nice," or because they don't look like they belong in the neighborhood. Their greatest fear is usually a speeding ticket; black people have to worry about whether or not they'll even survive the stop (just ask Philando Castile). Pretending that this discrepancy in treatment doesn't exist is effectively endorsing discriminatory police practices.

So two different guys, one white, and one black. Partners in the same law firm, same salary, same quality of life.

We can automatically assume that the white guy had an easier time than the black guy, correct?
 

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The underlying individual psychological mechanisms of race dynamics are not unique to race or privilege. Institutionally/culturally/structurally the US acts in ways which heavily produce and reinforce those dynamics. For that reason, it is very important to talk about race explicitly. The product of our society is that people of color are systematically disadvantaged and people who are not making themselves active participants in discrimination nonetheless are serving to keep the systematic disadvantage going by electing not to confront it. Not in a political or activism way. But in a human, everyday way. The capacity to elect not to confront their racial conflicts is privilege that people of color do not share. People are not bad for having privilege and they are not bad for taking advantage of it. But they could be better if they recognize it more and choose to make themselves uncomfortable by confronting their racial biases and attitudes and bringing it to the surface in everyday life.

I don't disagree with anything that you have just said. What I am confused about is what you think you did not have that prevented you before. You said you were not taught how to recognize your feelings, and how to express them in language that allowed you to own how you felt. The specifics of racism are unique, but, from what you said it would seem that you were having trouble at a general level understanding your feelings. What I do not get is why you would have trouble understanding your feelings about race, but not your feelings about other things.

I would further assume that you are talking about things you unconsciously perceive, because, if you were conscious of them then it would be easy. So if you are talking about unconscious perception that then manifests an emotional reaction, then what were you missing that you would not be able to get elsewhere in terms of digging into that to see the cause? What about race makes that unique, or am I missing your point?
 

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Around 2003-2004, at 19 or 20 years old, I was pulled over for "evading a license checkpoint" that just happened to be a block down the road from where I live. It was approximately 10PM, and when I turned into my street an officer pursued me. He had his lights on, but no siren. It was dark out, and I actually didn't stop when he got right behind me. I made my way through my no-outlet development, stopping at a couple of stop signs with the officer inches behind my car. I continued making turns until I reached the last stop sign, 20 feet from my driveway, when he finally ignited his siren. I stopped and turned off the car.

It was the first time in my life that I had been pulled over for a reason I could not pinpoint and I actually gave him attitude by sticking my head out the window and looking back at his cruiser like "WTF??"

He told me to step out of the vehicle as at least five more police cars with lights spinning arrived. They searched my person, and ran my plates and license. They asked for consent to search my car, which I gave them and then asked me if they were going to find anything. I admitted I had a handheld weapon under the driver's seat, which they found. It was nunchucks

They discussed with me my reason for not stopping when they pursued me. Then they let me go. No ticket. Barely even a warning. It was more of an advisement. And I'm alive.

White privilege? Maybe. I obeyed orders, didn't resist, and cooperated. They didn't pull a gun on me, or cuff me the entire time. Perhaps my skin color didn't give them a reason to.
 

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Well, there's a study on just about everything isn't there? You seriously don't need stats or study results to see what happens to minorities and the poor in America. America should be better than that instead of allowing and accepting Hate/ignorance run amuck.

Why are you bringing up the poors? My point has been that it's about other factors like economic status, attractiveness, IQ, etc. What’s the privilege for having white skin that leads to success in life?

You have to be very specifically blind and deaf to not acknowledge the imbalance... AND of course ignorantly white

How do you know I don’t look like a convict? How do you know I don’t look incompetent? How do you know that I didn’t grow up poor? How do you know that I don’t have a low IQ? How do you know I don’t have a dysfunctional personality? Etc. Etc. Etc.!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...le-judge-you-based-on-your-face-a7333406.html



I hate that this post of yours represents too many fu*king people who think like you (just to be ugly). As I stated before, you have to lie to yourself to not see the privilege. What I didn't say before is that you must also be petty and small to not see it as well as insecure about possibly having to live in a country where white privilege no longer exists. Where instead privilege is shared by ALL.

The very fact that you asked for stats says everything about you. None of it kind or respectable.

Many others will claim that if they were the blacks, they would be just as successful as their current self. I would argue that you would wind up in the same position as the black person, since you would have the same brain and environment. However, my contention with you is that it isn’t largely about skin color. There are many other things like wealth/income, attractiveness, IQ, personality etc. I just think it’s dumb how many say “Check your privilege!” to a white stranger on the internet when knowing nothing about them, and it’s also a dumb generalization, since it implies being white is what confers the most benefits.

A classic example: traffic stops. White people don't get pulled over because they're driving a car that's "too nice," or because they don't look like they belong in the neighborhood. Their greatest fear is usually a speeding ticket; black people have to worry about whether or not they'll even survive the stop (just ask Philando Castile). Pretending that this discrepancy in treatment doesn't exist is effectively endorsing discriminatory police practices.

That’s a function of crime rates. Since blacks (specifically about black men, not black women) do crime the most, they get the worst of the generalizations. Heck, when I was at university, whenever the campus police sent an email reporting a witness describing a suspect, the suspect was almost always black despite the campus hardly having a black presence. Ironically, people like you hate the stereotypes, but it’s hysterical how stupid generalizations about the cops pop up on this forum so frequently.

I curious why you are bending over backwards to try and show institutional/structural racism doesn’t exist?

Stereotype threat is not institutional. Psychologists have for example come up with low cost interventions to be used in schools. What institution actively tries to put blacks down? In all my time in life, I've only had a couple of instances between two teachers where they made a comment about how the females were doing better on the math tests. Stereotype threat is also a weak explanation for the black-white gap that has spanned for decades.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat

“However, studies showing stereotype threat have been criticized for exaggerating its importance as an explanation of real-world performance gaps[7][8] and misrepresenting evidence as more conclusive than it is.[9][10] Several reviews have voiced concerns that the effect has been over-estimated and that the field suffers from publication bias.[11]”

“The stereotype threat explanation of achievement gaps has attracted criticism. According to Paul R. Sackett, Chaitra M. Hardison, and Michael J. Cullen, both the media and scholarly literature have wrongly concluded that eliminating stereotype threat could completely eliminate differences in test performance between European Americans and African Americans.[7] Sackett et al. have pointed out that, in Steele and Aronson's (1995) experiments where stereotype threat was removed, an achievement gap of approximately one standard deviation remained between the groups, which is very close in size to that routinely reported between African American and European Americans' average scores on large-scale standardized tests such as the SAT. In subsequent correspondence between Sackett et al. and Steele and Aronson, Sackett et al. wrote that "They [Steele and Aronson] agree that it is a misinterpretation of the Steele and Aronson (1995) results to conclude that eliminating stereotype threat eliminates the African American-White test-score gap."[8]”
 

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So two different guys, one white, and one black. Partners in the same law firm, same salary, same quality of life.

We can automatically assume that the white guy had an easier time than the black guy, correct?

Obviously not, but take a randomly selected set of 1,000 white guys and 1,000 black guys, both sets with the same distributions of outcomes, we can then automatically assume as a group the white guys had an easier time than the black guys.
 
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