Religion. If it can drive people to do good, then it can drive people to do bad. Seems to do the 2nd part a lot.
That is an extremely interesting observation. From a global perspective, white Christianity is in a death spiral. Paradoxically non-white Christianity is on a rapid rise. Fundamentalist Christians were able to infect the African continent with their disease thus ensuring decades of suffering and knee-capping any chances of civilization advance there. By 2060, Pew estimates that more than 40% of all Christians will be in Africa. The brand of Christianity rising in Africa is the anti-gay/anti-science/anti-safe sex/terroristic variety guaranteed to harm society. If White America has anything to apologize for, it is this.
I said no such thing. I think you are thinking of Star. I just disagreed that the poor did not vote for trump.
The % matches the Edison/Mitofsky exit poll so its close enough.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
Still faulty to say that the poor did not vote for Trump, when something like 40% did.
My apologies. You're making the same basic argument in any case.
It's obvious that they were not his target demographic or the basis for his win. Put that on confused rust belt white people who can't identify the cause of the malaise in their communities- Job Creator activity. Pumped & dumped. See ya. Buh-bye now. Don't owe you anything, honey.
The fact that they saw a man steeped in privilege & highly exploitative of it would lead them from the wilderness tells us that.
When you're rich & famous, you can just grab 'em by the pussy & they'll let you get away with it. Figuratively speaking that's exactly what Trump did.
No. I made no such argument and have taken no position on that topic in this thread. I simply questioned what you meant when you said the poor did not vote for trump.
I did not get into that. I was just confused as to what you meant when you said the poor did not vote for Trump, even though 41% did.
My apologies. You're making the same basic argument in any case.
It's obvious that they were not his target demographic or the basis for his win. Put that on confused rust belt white people who can't identify the cause of the malaise in their communities- Job Creator activity. Pumped & dumped. See ya. Buh-bye now. Don't owe you anything, honey.
The fact that they saw a man steeped in privilege & highly exploitative of it would lead them from the wilderness tells us that.
When you're rich & famous, you can just grab 'em by the pussy & they'll let you get away with it. Figuratively speaking that's exactly what Trump did.
If you ever wonder how someone could be dumb enough to vote for a fraud populist like Hugo Chavez then just read some of Jhhnn’s posts. The degree of blaming others for his faults is impressive, dub over some old German speeches blaming the Jews with his “job creators” schtick instead and you’d barely notice.
If you ever wonder how someone could be dumb enough to vote for a fraud populist like Hugo Chavez then just read some of Jhhnn’s posts. The degree of blaming others for his faults is impressive, dub over some old German speeches blaming the Jews with his “job creators” schtick instead and you’d barely notice.
Heh. Utterly remarkable. The world's greatest con artist & faux populist is our President, a man who pushes an agenda most damaging to the least among us.
Is the rust belt not the result of the Job Creators moving on to greener pastures? It sure is. It happened that way because of the way we define rights & responsibilities. Corporations can do that if it's in the interests of the stockholders & the execs w/o regard for the wreckage they leave in their wake. According to GOP ideology, anyway.
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I'm really quite concerned. You do seem to be arguing that blacks are genetically more inclined to commit crimes and that blacks are inherently less intelligent than whites. I hope I'm mistaken, but that seems to be the case.
First of all, you are incorrect that IQs have been stagnant for blacks. Based on the data you posted, they improved by about 5 points.
Why do you think the IQ gap widens with age?
Could it possibly be due to the fact that societal resources like education are better deployed to white individuals, and the longer that effect is applied, the wider the achievement gap becomes?
If these issues were only about poverty, we would expect to see equal distributions of poverty for all races.
The fact that one race experience poverty at a much higher rate than another indicates that either a) that race is genetically inferior or b) that race has historical and/or present biases holding it back. The data indicates its b). That is why experts agree that white males experience privilege.
And yet, for much of history, people have used that exact argument as their basis for discriminating against blacks. And women. How obtuse of me to think that people will do what they've already been doing. Morton's skulls were used as evidence for the superiority of whites in order to justify the treatment of blacks.Well, you have more to be concerned about than just me then. Are you really that obtuse to think that if there is differences due to genetics, someone has to be discriminatory and hold all blacks as less than whites? This is very similar to the religious argument that if there is no god, you can't be a good person.
https://samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/
"Many well-known scientists, academics, and public intellectuals have privately celebrated my podcast with Murray and bemoaned how he’s been treated all these years, but they won’t go on the record about it because they don’t want their names dragged through the mud. Needless to say, I find their attitude increasingly understandable."
No one is saying to deny genetics. However, I do find it telling when someone takes a strong position in a field filled with uncertainty. It almost seems that you want blacks to be inferior.And these just in...
How Genetics Is Changing Our Understanding of ‘Race’
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html
Denying Genetics Isn’t Shutting Down Racism, It’s Fueling It
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...isnt-shutting-down-racism-its-fueling-it.html
The Flynn graph I posted is just one data point. Others dispute that there has been a change, and regardless, a ~5 point difference (disregarding the stagnation in other psychometric testing) is little compared to the inarguable improvement for blacks over the last several decades.
As I said, interventions generally fade out over time because heritability of IQ increases as you reach adulthood.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23919982
The Wilson Effect: the increase in heritability of IQ with age.
"Ronald Wilson presented the first clear and compelling evidence that the heritability of IQ increases with age. We propose to call the phenomenon 'The Wilson Effect' and we document the effect diagrammatically with key twin and adoption studies, including twins reared apart, that have been carried out at various ages and in a large number of different settings. The results show that the heritability of IQ reaches an asymptote at about 0.80 at 18-20 years of age and continuing at that level well into adulthood. In the aggregate, the studies also confirm that shared environmental influence decreases across age, approximating about 0.10 at 18-20 years of age and continuing at that level into adulthood. These conclusions apply to the Westernized industrial democracies in which most of the studies have been carried out."
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1745691615617439
Top 10 Replicated Findings From Behavioral Genetics
Finding 5. The heritability of intelligence increases throughout development
Unlike the other findings, this one is limited to a specific domain, general cognitive ability (intelligence), but it is one of the most surprising and counterintuitive findings from behavioral genetics. Although the effects of experiences could be reasonably expected to accumulate as time goes by (as some developmental theorists propose, e.g., Baltes, Reese, & Lipsitt, 1980), the heritability of intelligence has been shown consistently to increase linearly throughout the life course in more than three decades of research in longitudinal as well as cross-sectional analyses and in adoption as well as twin studies
The kids make the schools. The schools don't make the kids.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27919311
Education and Intelligence: Pity the Poor Teacher because Student Characteristics are more Significant than Teachers or Schools.
"Educational gain will be best predicted by student abilities (up to r = 0.95) and much less by teachers' skill (up to r = 0.32). I argue that seemingly immutable education will not change until we fully understand students and particularly human intelligence. Over the last 50 years in developed countries, evidence has accumulated that only about 10% of school achievement can be attributed to schools and teachers while the remaining 90% is due to characteristics associated with students. Teachers account for from 1% to 7% of total variance at every level of education. For students, intelligence accounts for much of the 90% of variance associated with learning gains. This evidence is reviewed."
Even the 100% environmental people don't necessarily make it about discrimination. Which experts are you referring to? I know Flynn, for example, believes it's largely because blacks are worse at parenting. There are others in academia who are hereditarians and believe at least part is genetic.
You really need to get a better line, and this sort of thinking is how Trump was able to win.Poor people didn't vote for Trump. Bitter white people who let themselves be conned by the trickle down jerb creators voted for Trump.
You really need to get a better line, and this sort of thinking is how Trump was able to win.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time, it's a bit ironic to say this while leaning toward the political ideology of a party currently led by a populist who blames brown people for all the US' ills.
I don’t “lean towards” Trump although of course there is some degree of overlap (which would be the same for almost any politician). For example I don’t “blame brown people” but think they (and non-brown folk too) should follow our immigration laws (which should be adjusted to greatly increase immigration quotas). Ditto for feeling we can raise taxes on the wealthy to reduce deficits but that tax burdens and benefits should always be broadly shared by all, and that specifically targeting the rich like Jhhnn wants because they “deserve it” or are engaged in some great conspiracy ti enslave the rest of us is the fevered imagination of an idiot.
Sigh. You go on as if the big money behind the GOP is blithely ignorant of how much the perfection of financialized international capitalism & technology has altered the income distribution curve in this country. And it certainly hasn't been in favor of the lower 75%, at all. They know it better than most. But they're all about cutting their own taxes & tearing down the system of govt benefits that tends to compensate for the shift. I mean, they're not missing any meals either way but they'll make sure that poor people will. That's class warfare.
We haven't been able to hold onto our piece of the pie because we've granted too much privilege to the idea of ownership & damned little to the idea that there are stakeholders who are not stock holders.
That's a big part of your problem, you look at the high water mark of post WW2 America as being the natural order of things and your ultimate birthright. As if workers could continue to put no capital into economic growth and only labor yet expect to continue to gain outsized shares of the growth.
Maxima is engaging in simulated rationality. He doesn't build a hypothesis on fact but rather looks for ones that bolster his predetermined outcome.
Morton's skulls were used as evidence for the superiority of whites in order to justify the treatment of blacks.
And yet, for much of history, people have used that exact argument as their basis for discriminating against blacks. And women. How obtuse of me to think that people will do what they've already been doing.
No one is saying to deny genetics. However, I do find it telling when someone takes a strong position in a field filled with uncertainty. It almost seems that you want blacks to be inferior.
Research has shown that there is far more genetic variability within races compared to between races.
Too many researchers seem to make the leap that if there are genetic influences on intelligence, and if there are racial differences in measured intelligence, then therefore there must also be genetic differences in intelligence between races. This is not logically sound.
The problem is that there isn't a scientific consensus, but rather individuals that like to cherry pick studies and present them as solid proof. It kind of makes it sound like these people want whites to be superior. Intelligence is such a poorly understood idea, research is still highly controversial.
What privilege do each of you enjoy?
So far I have:
- White privilege
- Male privilege
- CIS privilege
- Heterosexual privilege
- Upper class privilege
That last one has taken 16 years to go from dirt poor, stupid 23 year old with a pregnant girlfriend to where I am now so I'm quite proud of that one.
I've also been dieting and have lost a lot of weight lately. Can't wait until I'm accused of having thin privilege, too!
Seriously, is "privilege" a thing? If it is, what, if anything, should be done about it? If a person has "privilege" what duties or burdens does that entail? Should we work towards eliminating "privilege" or is "privilege" a natural and unavoidable result of a diverse population with diverse opportunities, random decision making, and blind luck?
LOLWhen you behave badly, you might get arrested. When black people behave badly they get the shit kicked out of them, then they get arrested, if they are lucky. If they aren't lucky they get shot.
Lol Because of virtue signaling, you want to act as if the other side isn’t doing what you accuse me of. Look below for one example of many. I also find it amusing that social justice types will get happy at studies suggesting that private schooling really isn’t better until they realize what it implies. But, hey, it’s me that has the problem, right?
I know, super funny how black people get shot all the time by cops even when they aren't behaving badly.
You've never met a black person in your life.I know, super funny how black people get shot all the time by cops even when they aren't behaving badly.
What's truly amazing is he seems to gave gone out of his way to illustrate exactly what you posted! Self awareness is not one of flush's strong points.If you ever wonder how someone could be dumb enough to vote for a fraud populist like Hugo Chavez then just read some of Jhhnn’s posts. The degree of blaming others for his faults is impressive, dub over some old German speeches blaming the Jews with his “job creators” schtick instead and you’d barely notice.