Pro-choice actually pro-abortion?

[LordMagnusKain]

Thank you for being a "Christian" again a selectively quoting me. I addressed the "title" of your post.

I?m sorry that you don't see Christ reflected in me.

Pro-Choice fits perfectly, it does not mean pro-abortion. I

am i pro-liposuction if i think the feds should pay for liposuction for those who can't afford it? how about if i want liposuction to be available to children without parental consent?

The inability to even read the opening post means you lack the personal integrity to actually think about honest questions, which is sad.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Thank you for being a "Christian" again a selectively quoting me. I addressed the "title" of your post.

I?m sorry that you don't see Christ reflected in me.

Pro-Choice fits perfectly, it does not mean pro-abortion. I

am i pro-liposuction if i think the feds should pay for liposuction for those who can't afford it? how about if i want liposuction to be available to children without parental consent?

The inability to even read the opening post means you lack the personal integrity to actually think about honest questions, which is sad.

Again, you selectively quote me and take it out of context. Then you bring a absurb comparsion to abortion.

The only "Christ" like about you, is the time that you'll be spending in hell.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Thank you for being a "Christian" again a selectively quoting me. I addressed the "title" of your post.

I?m sorry that you don't see Christ reflected in me.

Pro-Choice fits perfectly, it does not mean pro-abortion. I

am i pro-liposuction if i think the feds should pay for liposuction for those who can't afford it? how about if i want liposuction to be available to children without parental consent?

The inability to even read the opening post means you lack the personal integrity to actually think about honest questions, which is sad.

Am I pro-liposuction if I would never want to get it and am completely against it but believe that others should be able to choose if they get it or not?

BTW, I like how you say "I?ve been told countless times that it?s intellectually dishonest, unchristian, and an out-right lie to say that pro-choice is pro-abortion." on the fron page, as if its a bad thing to be unchristian. :roll: Just more proof that you feel your beliefs are better than everyone else's and should therefore be forced on the rest of the world.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

are you insane? I?m supposed to block quote instead of line-of-interest quote simply because of what? your pride? your insults? your unwillingness to directly answer simple questions? or maybe your totally disregard for the topic with narrow-minded focus on the title?

my guess: your just trolling because your not as big a loser as i am.

The only "Christ" like about you, is the time that you'll be spending in hell.

3 days... no, i spent about two years.

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
The right of a woman's sovereignty over her own body supercedes the life of an unborn child.

I completely agree, the woman's right of sovereignty over her body is whether to have sex or not.

 

[redhatlinux]

First, I'm a devout believer in the Lord, read your bibles, better still the torah. NO SIN is committed, if a woman is with child, and does not want the child. A law is broken, and sin committed, if the child is taken from her by force, against her will. The sin is NEVER the womans.
If you believe, as I do, that almighty GOD created a fixed number of souls, then the body is just a vessel, and as such, GOD is happy to have the soul returned and presents that soul again. Don't forget GOD gave man(woman) FREEWILL. Consider this, my good friend, who gets his benefits through the government, as a decorated Veteran, was forced, he and his wife to see a son being born that they knew had no hope of living. The son died after 11 hrs and the stress on my friend and much more so on his wife, has caused them to seperate. Walk a mile in the shoes before you judge, less yea be judged.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
are you insane? I?m supposed to block quote instead of line-of-interest quote simply because of what? your pride? your insults? your unwillingness to directly answer simple questions? or maybe your totally disregard for the topic with narrow-minded focus on the title?

my guess: your just trolling because your not as big a loser as i am.

The only "Christ" like about you, is the time that you'll be spending in hell.

3 days... no, i spent about two years.

So, you don't take it out of context. How about you leave this world and meet your god?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Tab
How about you leave this world and meet your god?

did that to.

context? do you think no one read what was earlier on the thread? i'm sorry, i'm having real trouble believing that your actually that stupid. are you high? or just trying to defend a nef?

First, I'm a devout believer in the Lord,

my disagreement with abortion is predicated on a vial of ignorance, nothing to do with the bible less it being generally wrong to commit murder.

 

[Tab]

If abortion was murder, then you'd have a leg to stand on.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Tab
If abortion was murder, then you'd have a leg to stand on.

glad we agree.

now tell me, if you didn't know weather you'd be a tean mother geting rid of an unwanted pregancy or the child being elminated would you still support abortion?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tab
If abortion was murder, then you'd have a leg to stand on.

glad we agree.

now tell me, if you didn't know weather you'd be a tean mother geting rid of an unwanted pregancy or the child being elminated would you still support abortion?

How about we try using semi-proper grammar, then we'll talk.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tab
If abortion was murder, then you'd have a leg to stand on.

glad we agree.

now tell me, if you didn't know weather you'd be a tean mother geting rid of an unwanted pregancy or the child being elminated would you still support abortion?

How about we try using semi-proper grammar, then we'll talk.

poopey monkey but?
jiber jaber bocoo ca poo.
super slow for you child:
if you didn't know if you would be
1.) wanting an abortion
or
2.) being aborted
would you still support abortion?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tab
If abortion was murder, then you'd have a leg to stand on.

glad we agree.

now tell me, if you didn't know weather you'd be a tean mother geting rid of an unwanted pregancy or the child being elminated would you still support abortion?

How about we try using semi-proper grammar, then we'll talk.

poopey monkey but?
jiber jaber bocoo ca poo.
super slow for you child:
if you didn't know if you would be
1.) wanting an abortion
or
2.) being aborted
would you still support abortion?

Why aren't you dead yet? I am amazed you're still alive.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Tab
nef nef nef

glad we agree.

now tell me, if you didn't know weather you'd be a tean mother geting rid of an unwanted pregancy or the child being elminated would you still support abortion?

nef nef nef hate nef.

poopey monkey but?
jiber jaber bocoo ca poo.
super slow for you child:
if you didn't know if you would be
1.) wanting an abortion
or
2.) being aborted
would you still support abortion?

nef nef hate nef nef nef nef

oh well nef, understanding, nef nef, try and think, nef neff nef.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
The right of a woman's sovereignty over her own body supercedes the life of an unborn child.

I completely agree, the woman's right of sovereignty over her body is whether to have sex or not.

And after that what happens? Does the right of sovereignty over her body become yours?

and what if she doesn't consent to the sex? Is it then her fault that she didn't carry a gun at all times and shoot the guy?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

And after that what happens? Does the right of sovereignty over her body become yours?

shared between her and the new life that she's brought into the world. maybe the fetus will self-abort, that's fine, but otherwise tie goes to the runner.
error on the side of life.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

And after that what happens? Does the right of sovereignty over her body become yours?

shared between her and the new life that she's brought into the world. maybe the fetus will self-abort, that's fine, but otherwise tie goes to the runner.
error on the side of life.

That fetus doesn't have the capability to think at that point, never mind make decisions ... its not even a fully formed human. Does a baby have any choice of what happens in its life? No, that responsibility is the parents.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Tab
I fully support for women to the have the opition of an abortion before the 3rd trimester. If the women bearing the child has complications due to the pregancy after the 3rd trimester, she should have the opition of abortion.

Pro-Choice says exactly what it means, the support of choices. If you fail to understand this, you've got serious issuses.

:thumbsup:

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
That fetus doesn't have the capability to think at that point, never mind make decisions ... its not even a fully formed human. Does a baby have any choice of what happens in its life? No, that responsibility is the parents.

Once you have a child you'll understand how precious the most vulnerable forms of life truly are, but until then you would not understand.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
That fetus doesn't have the capability to think at that point, never mind make decisions ... its not even a fully formed human. Does a baby have any choice of what happens in its life? No, that responsibility is the parents.

Once you have a child you'll understand how precious the most vulnerable forms of life truly are, but until then you would not understand.

Childeren have brains that do function to an extent, fetuses don't.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: redhatlinux
First, I'm a devout believer in the Lord, read your bibles, better still the torah. NO SIN is committed, if a woman is with child, and does not want the child. A law is broken, and sin committed, if the child is taken from her by force, against her will. The sin is NEVER the womans.
If you believe, as I do, that almighty GOD created a fixed number of souls, then the body is just a vessel, and as such, GOD is happy to have the soul returned and presents that soul again. Don't forget GOD gave man(woman) FREEWILL. Consider this, my good friend, who gets his benefits through the government, as a decorated Veteran, was forced, he and his wife to see a son being born that they knew had no hope of living. The son died after 11 hrs and the stress on my friend and much more so on his wife, has caused them to seperate. Walk a mile in the shoes before you judge, less yea be judged.

I noticed you haven't gotten any responses.

This is probably because the cons have no ammunition against this.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
That fetus doesn't have the capability to think at that point, never mind make decisions ... its not even a fully formed human. Does a baby have any choice of what happens in its life? No, that responsibility is the parents.

Once you have a child you'll understand how precious the most vulnerable forms of life truly are, but until then you would not understand.

Granted, I don't have a child, but I do really like children, and enjoy my 1 and 2 year old cousins. I was just pointing out a fact, which is that fetus's don't have fully functioning brains.

 

[MadRat]

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
That fetus doesn't have the capability to think at that point, never mind make decisions ... its not even a fully formed human. Does a baby have any choice of what happens in its life? No, that responsibility is the parents.

Once you have a child you'll understand how precious the most vulnerable forms of life truly are, but until then you would not understand.

Granted, I don't have a child, but I do really like children, and enjoy my 1 and 2 year old cousins. I was just pointing out a fact, which is that fetus's don't have fully functioning brains.

From an educational standpoint minors don't have fully functioning brains. I think you mean that fetuses are not conscience, which I would argue that within the second month there is discernable brain function and the fetus is responsive to its environment. Nerves and blood vessels form at the same time, which is why they are so intricately overlapped. All nerves originate from the brain - whether it reaches out to the fingers or toes - and so as soon as the nervous system responds to stimuli then its impossible to say that the fetus is not conscious. The nervous system begins almost as soon as the fertilized egg attaches to the mother's womb, because it is then that the circulatory system begins. So almost immediately at conception the groundwork is already 100% laid out for that newly formed conscience, because this initial circulation develops into all of the internal organs that allow it to eventually self-sustain. The fetus is very vulnerable at this point to outside interference. If something interupts the fetus at this point then it will not develop into what we think of as a human being. So interupting this early fetus, even at the moment of conception, is potentially killing a true human being at its most vulnerable moment.

Sure a fetus is not self-sustaining to the point it can live without mom's help, but last time I checked neither was a baby outside the womb. Quite frankly, any baby born after the third trimester has a very good chance of living a normal life if it just gets the care it needs to get over the hump of initial development,,,

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs

Originally posted by: MadRat

Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
That fetus doesn't have the capability to think at that point, never mind make decisions ... its not even a fully formed human. Does a baby have any choice of what happens in its life? No, that responsibility is the parents.

Once you have a child you'll understand how precious the most vulnerable forms of life truly are, but until then you would not understand.

Granted, I don't have a child, but I do really like children, and enjoy my 1 and 2 year old cousins. I was just pointing out a fact, which is that fetus's don't have fully functioning brains.

From an educational standpoint minors don't have fully functioning brains. I think you mean that fetuses are not conscience, which I would argue that within the second month there is discernable brain function and the fetus is responsive to its environment. Nerves and blood vessels form at the same time, which is why they are so intricately overlapped. All nerves originate from the brain - whether it reaches out to the fingers or toes - and so as soon as the nervous system responds to stimuli then its impossible to say that the fetus is not conscious. The nervous system begins almost as soon as the fertilized egg attaches to the mother's womb, because it is then that the circulatory system begins. So almost immediately at conception the groundwork is already 100% laid out for that newly formed conscience, because this initial circulation develops into all of the internal organs that allow it to eventually self-sustain. The fetus is very vulnerable at this point to outside interference. If something interupts the fetus at this point then it will not develop into what we think of as a human being. So interupting this early fetus, even at the moment of conception, is potentially killing a true human being at its most vulnerable moment.

Sure a fetus is not self-sustaining to the point it can live without mom's help, but last time I checked neither was a baby outside the womb. Quite frankly, any baby born after the third trimester has a very good chance of living a normal life if it just gets the care it needs to get over the hump of initial development,,,

You're giving a great example of how "When does life start?" is completely subjective. In many African Tribes you don't get a name until your 8 years old. In Ancient Greece newborns had to endure being put outside over night it storms to see if they where strong. The question of when life starts is completely cultural and competely subjective. Are you ready to goto Africa and tell them they're wrong when they beileve life doesn't start until they're 8 years old? Are you going to time travel to acient greece and tell them they're wrong?

You're putting a lot of emphasis on "pain" and telling me it's a pre-req. for a human being. Prove it.

The nervous system isn't fully fuctional or wired in any meaningfull way at concepetion. Not for even 3 months after that, and they're illegal at that point anyway.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: zendari
I support abortion rights, but I also think pro-choice is a leftist terminology. If you support allowing people to have an abortion you are pro-abortion. Simple as that.

But I also think pro-life is rightist terminology. If you are forcing women to have babies they don't want you are pro-nazi. Simple as that.