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Intelia

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I am not an atheist. I am Jewish. however, I consider religion and government two separate entities. I don't mind anyone living their life based on the teachings of a religion, but it is wrong when someone decides that the government should be based off of these teachings, forcing everyone under that government to live by them.

FYI: Not everyone agrees with your "teachings."

Also, you seem to believe yoru religion is superior to all others. You say "You are so wrong . Thats why the Christ was given onto man not to change the law but to fulifill the law. Everthing your sieting comes from the old testment and jewish beliefs" As if your teachings are somehow more correct than the Jewish ones.

Yet MORE proof that people like you believe that their views are better than everyone else's and should therefore be forced on the rest of the populace


This statement is a joke


I am not an atheist. I am Jewish. however, I consider religion and government two separate entities. I don't mind anyone living their life based on the teachings of a religion, but it is wrong when someone decides that the government should be based off of these teachings, forcing everyone under that government to live by them.

Where does a Jew come off saying this religion and government should be sererate.

I am assuming that your an american jew, If you are a Israili what a line off BS. Israili government has much to do with religion. As all middle east governments are all so rapped up in there religious beliefs. THAT they can't see straight. If I am lying why are Israilies stealing land from there neighbors. They justfy there actions by saying it was ours 2000 years ago so its ours now. When Isrial was no longer a nation did all the jews leave. Did some stay in Jorden or Juda? Did they all leave? We know that the ans. is no. Some did stay or maybe most stayed so in fact the Moslems of Jorden and Juda are in fact Jews that went bad is that not so.


This statement is unbelievable



Also, you seem to believe yoru religion is superior to all others. You say "You are so wrong . Thats why the Christ was given onto man not to change the law but to fulifill the law. Everthing your sieting comes from the old testment and jewish beliefs" As if your teachings are somehow more correct than the Jewish ones.

First of all I have already clearly stated I don't believe in religions I believe religions to be evil and corrupt. AS a jew you can not except the fact the Christ was the fulfillment of the law and the completion of the HOLY covenant between GOD and MAN. Its was the Jewish people that choose between Christ and Berabas dieing on the cross. The jewish people wanted a messiah who would bring great wealth and power to Israil these are facts. Don't talk about Christ teachings unless you understand them . Christ was about a lot of things but religion wasn't one of them. I got good news for you. The long awaited messiah you jews have been waiting on the one that you will except . He is coming very soon I hope you well be happy with your pick. I am not going to quote Gosphel text as in your case it would be useless.

Christ was more about how we conduct ourselves in our everyday lives than anything else. How is it that Jews misinterpreted . THIS COMMANDMENT (Keep holy the Lords day) or was it the high priest that came up with the idea . I don't know exactly what this means so lets call it a day of the weak. IN this way they (Rabbi) could recieve offerings from the people. Do jews still sacrifice animals to the lord. Being a jew can you tell me Gods name . I know for fact Moses didn't know it because he asked the Lord and the Lords reply was I AM THAT I AM .

I have know problem with the jewish people at all as they gave us the Christ (GOD DID THREW THE LINE OF DAVID) .How many jews today claim to be decendents of DAVID?

As I said I got no problems with the jews fact is a pity the poor fools!!

Quit tring to associate Christ with religion . Christ is away of life based on faith. Just because your people lacked that faith based on your misguided religios beliefs. What was it that offended the jewish high priest about Christ was it the fact that he came unglueded when merchants were selling goods in GODS holy temple.

Was it the fact that he said an Eye for an EYE was pure BS. What was it that made the jewish priest reject the truth?


AS a member of the jewish religion please enlighten me on what it is that the jewish people exspect from this long awaited messiah. You should know as this is one of the key foundamentals of your religios beliefs. Or is this a religious secret . or maybe you don't know. What is the pillar that gives your religios beliefs foundation. WHAT exactly does a jew believe.



 

Intelia

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Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Intelia
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So, you don't believe in organized religion, yet somehow everyone on the planet should manage to agree with your take on Christianity, to a sufficient degree that they would consent to be governed by what is written in the Bible, as interpretted by YOU

Actually if you have problems with interpretiting THE 10 commandments and the 4 gosphels. You wouldn't see anyway!


As far as off topic were on topic abortion- pro(bad thing) abortion- anti(morlity) and whether this is a government issue or a morality issue. AND were morality comes from.

There's a good bit of debate on how to interpret the four gospels.

More importantly, how do you propose to have a Christian theocracy when you reject organized religion? How do you expect to do so in a free country?

She would run it. Obviously :roll:

If you truely know Christ your questions ans themselves. Christ IS. WAS and WELL BE !! TRUTH and JUSTICE anywhere in the world you find these two things! Even if you ffind Them in a place were Zero knowlegde of Christ exist. YOU will find that Christ teaching and that truth and justice are one and the same.

 

CheesePoofs

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Dec 5, 2004
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Originally posted by: Intelia
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I am not an atheist. I am Jewish. however, I consider religion and government two separate entities. I don't mind anyone living their life based on the teachings of a religion, but it is wrong when someone decides that the government should be based off of these teachings, forcing everyone under that government to live by them.

FYI: Not everyone agrees with your "teachings."
But my teachings don't exclude people who don't agree with them. They are only that we should have a secular government, instead of a theocracy.

Also, you seem to believe yoru religion is superior to all others. You say "You are so wrong . Thats why the Christ was given onto man not to change the law but to fulifill the law. Everthing your sieting comes from the old testment and jewish beliefs" As if your teachings are somehow more correct than the Jewish ones.

Yet MORE proof that people like you believe that their views are better than everyone else's and should therefore be forced on the rest of the populace


This statement is a joke
Well, if you say so, it must be true. You clearly are in contact with god. :roll:

I am not an atheist. I am Jewish. however, I consider religion and government two separate entities. I don't mind anyone living their life based on the teachings of a religion, but it is wrong when someone decides that the government should be based off of these teachings, forcing everyone under that government to live by them.

Where does a Jew come off saying this religion and government should be sererate.

I am assuming that your an american jew, If you are a Israili what a line off BS. Israili government has much to do with religion. As all middle east governments are all so rapped up in there religious beliefs. THAT they can't see straight. If I am lying why are Israilies stealing land from there neighbors. They justfy there actions by saying it was ours 2000 years ago so its ours now. When Isrial was no longer a nation did all the jews leave. Did some stay in Jorden or Juda? Did they all leave? We know that the ans. is no. Some did stay or maybe most stayed so in fact the Moslems of Jorden and Juda are in fact Jews that went bad is that not so.

This statement is unbelievable
Seeing as my profile says I'm from Vermont, I'm sure we can all safely assume that I'm an American Jew. The fact that Israel (note the spelling) is a religious run government upsets me, because I believe all governments should be secular so that no person is oppressed for their religious beliefs.


Also, you seem to believe yoru religion is superior to all others. You say "You are so wrong . Thats why the Christ was given onto man not to change the law but to fulifill the law. Everthing your sieting comes from the old testment and jewish beliefs" As if your teachings are somehow more correct than the Jewish ones.

First of all I have already clearly stated I don't believe in religions I believe religions to be evil and corrupt. AS a jew you can not except the fact the Christ was the fulfillment of the law and the completion of the HOLY covenant between GOD and MAN. Its was the Jewish people that choose between Christ and Berabas dieing on the cross. The jewish people wanted a messiah who would bring great wealth and power to Israil these are facts. Don't talk about Christ teachings unless you understand them . Christ was about a lot of things but religion wasn't one of them. I got good news for you. The long awaited messiah you jews have been waiting on the one that you will except . He is coming very soon I hope you well be happy with your pick. I am not going to quote Gosphel text as in your case it would be useless.

Christ was more about how we conduct ourselves in our everyday lives than anything else. How is it that Jews misinterpreted . THIS COMMANDMENT (Keep holy the Lords day) or was it the high priest that came up with the idea . I don't know exactly what this means so lets call it a day of the weak. IN this way they (Rabbi) could recieve offerings from the people. Do jews still sacrifice animals to the lord. Being a jew can you tell me Gods name . I know for fact Moses didn't know it because he asked the Lord and the Lords reply was I AM THAT I AM .

I have know problem with the jewish people at all as they gave us the Christ (GOD DID THREW THE LINE OF DAVID) .How many jews today claim to be decendents of DAVID?

As I said I got no problems with the jews fact is a pity the poor fools!!

Quit tring to associate Christ with religion . Christ is away of life based on faith. Just because your people lacked that faith based on your misguided religios beliefs. What was it that offended the jewish high priest about Christ was it the fact that he came unglueded when merchants were selling goods in GODS holy temple.

Was it the fact that he said an Eye for an EYE was pure BS. What was it that made the jewish priest reject the truth?


AS a member of the jewish religion please enlighten me on what it is that the jewish people exspect from this long awaited messiah. You should know as this is one of the key foundamentals of your religios beliefs. Or is this a religious secret . or maybe you don't know. What is the pillar that gives your religios beliefs foundation. WHAT exactly does a jew believe.
Do NOT preach to me.

I would just to point out that you are preaching a religion here, although what is probably yoru own religion. And you are also clearly against people of other religions. As this prooves:
As I said I got no problems with the jews fact is a pity the poor fools!!
I motion for a ban based off that statement.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: Intelia
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So, you don't believe in organized religion, yet somehow everyone on the planet should manage to agree with your take on Christianity, to a sufficient degree that they would consent to be governed by what is written in the Bible, as interpretted by YOU

Actually if you have problems with interpretiting THE 10 commandments and the 4 gosphels. You wouldn't see anyway!


As far as off topic were on topic abortion- pro(bad thing) abortion- anti(morlity) and whether this is a government issue or a morality issue. AND were morality comes from.

There's a good bit of debate on how to interpret the four gospels.

More importantly, how do you propose to have a Christian theocracy when you reject organized religion? How do you expect to do so in a free country?

She would run it. Obviously :roll:

If you truely know Christ your questions ans themselves. Christ IS. WAS and WELL BE !! TRUTH and JUSTICE anywhere in the world you find these two things! Even if you ffind Them in a place were Zero knowlegde of Christ exist. YOU will find that Christ teaching and that truth and justice are one and the same.
So because you believe in Jesus Christ, why am I to be subjected to your interpretation of his teachings?

 
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