Here are links to 8 hour old images of those fire-arm wielding Pro-Russian protestors who had held that now burnt building in Odessa:So, you still haven't watched the videos?
Just going to quote British funded media after you criticize Russian funded media?
i've been trying to explain this to them too..
RT speaks english... Russians, speak russian...
this site is full of fools.
Here are links to 8 hour old images of those fire-arm wielding Pro-Russian protestors who had held that now burnt building in Odessa:
Al-Jazeera
That is further confirmation of lozina caught in a lie of Russian sponsored propaganda for favour of the pro-Russian insurgency.
Seems all hell breaking lose over there atm.
I believe the death toll is 38 as per ABC news. Quite a large number of people to die from a protest mob/riot. Take a piece of paper and write down 38 names of people you know. Maybe that will help with bring some perspective to this horrible situation.
So now these 100 or so pro-Russian demonstrators who were mobbed and had many of them massacred were going to annex Odessa all by themselves?
Just when you think it cannot get any more stupid....
They should do their job and protect the civilians, no matter what their political choices may be. See, in "real" democracies people are allowed to voice their views and vote on their destinies. These people were exercising that right. Until they got brutally massacred.
Unforgiven said:Little Bill Daggett: Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!
Will Munny: Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend.
So, you then believe that the portions of Ukraine that are being illegally held should be restored to the government of Ukraine because the police should have provided order, which would have prevented their taking of the territory in the first place? My apologies, I was under the impression you were merely blindly advocating the hostile takeover of a country while claiming those taking it over should be defended by the country's police while they do so.
Were people in Crimea massacred for not being pro-Russian?
Are people in the Eastern Ukrainian territories currently under self-governance massacring civilians who disagree with them?
PS you notice how the Police in those territories are the same Police as before? They are just doing their job protecting the population, regardless of the overlying politics of the region.
and here's an eyewitness report from the ukranian citizen side of things:
"What I remember seeing started out with a group of mixed Maidan supporters, including some soccer club fans, kids, even some girls and elderly. A few had bats or threw rocks but most were unarmed and chanting anti-Russian slogans. But what really stood out from the beginning were a few pro-Russian supporters on rooftops firing pistols into the crowd. We all saw that. It was pretty shocking.
Sometime later, the cameras arrived at the Trade Unions building where the pro-Russian camp had been set up. An angry, as I remember, pretty young group of mostly teenagers, tore down the camp out front and immediately began throwing molotov cocktails into the low level doors and windows. It was sometimes difficult to see on the video, but there never seemed to be many adults or what I would recognize as rank and file 'Right Sector' militants. I also remember a blogger at the scene reporting that a paramedic told him the pro-Russians were firing guns and using stun grenades.
I honestly want to know. I am not into any sort of radicalism or mob violence. And I am certainly not a supporter of neo-nazis.
What I thought I saw yesterday was a pretty heterogenous crowd of Ukrainians getting angry at pro-Russian supporters who were firing guns at them. And then some younger, more aggressive males deciding to become vigilantes and then arsonists and things got totally out of control very quickly."
Were people in Crimea massacred for not being pro-Russian?
Are people in the Eastern Ukrainian territories currently under self-governance massacring civilians who disagree with them?
A quick historical and moral lesson is order from an older story:Yeah, it's pretty sad how much bias people have.
From Russia With Lies
By ELENA GOROKHOVA
Published: October 21, 2011
Vranyo is a Russian word for lying a special form of lying. I learned of it in a Leningrad nursery school from Aunt Polya, who was in charge of the kitchen and who wasnt really my aunt.
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When I recently opened The New York Times and saw Vladimir Putin soon to become, once again, Russias president walking out of the Black Sea with two nearly intact ancient amphorae in his hands, the vranyo alarm went off. I immediately thought of Boris, who 38 years earlier dove to 75 feet, only to emerge with small amphora shards broken pieces of necks and handles that archaeologists working nearby offered to buy for a gallon of local wine. At the time we both wanted the wine, but somehow our respect for history prevailed, and the amphora shards sat on a shelf in my apartment in Leningrad for many years.
So how was Putin able to find these artifacts? In the picture he wears a wet suit and an oxygen mask as if he had gone to great depths. But why did the amphorae, which had presumably been sitting under water for 2,600 years, look so clean?
The smell of vranyo was so strong I had to put down the paper. I was sure that thousands of Russians were smirking in recognition of the old pretending game: Putin was lying to us, we knew he was lying, he knew we knew he was lying, but he kept lying anyway, and we pretended to believe him. It was clear he couldnt have found the ceramic jugs on his Black Sea dive. Numerous archaeological expeditions had been searching for these artifacts for decades. Even if there were still a few left to be discovered, what were the chances of the 59-year-old prime minister diving to the murky depths of millennial history?
But then it occurred to me that a great number of Putins constituents were born during or after Perestroika. They were never forced to march in an October Revolution Day parade. They didnt grow up with only two major newspapers, The Truth and The News, or know the standard joke that there is no news in The Truth and no truth in The News. They never had an Aunt Polya to teach them about vranyo. While I envy this uncommunist generation, I do see one deficiency: They have lost the ability to detect a lie.
A week later, The Times reported that the Putin Black Sea dive was a setup. The ancient amphorae had been found during an archaeological dig and placed in six feet of water. Putin didnt need a wet suit. All he needed to do was bend down, wrap his fingers around the handles and look into the camera.
Did those young Russians who never learned about vranyo believe in the Putin who waded out of the sea, clutching history? Did they see him as a hero? The picture had everything to make our hearts flutter with patriotic pride: a strongman defying time and human limitations. My own heart warmed not to Putin but to the photographs Black Sea backdrop. It made me pine for my youth, for the Crimea and for blue-eyed Boris.
1. Yes
2. Is this a rhetorical question?
Anyways, you are obviously not qualified to do anything other than attempt to build credibility for your leader afar -- and you aren't very good at that, either. Mother Russia chose poorly.
Don't worry, I'm not going to continue engaging you and repeatedly dismantling everything you say as you attempt to alter your arguments continuously after having your attempts to propagandize against your own country (by that, I mean the one you live in, which is apparently not the one you consider yourself bound to) fail. I don't like to bother people at when they are working.
A quick historical and moral lesson is order from an older story:
What was old is new again. Lies and propaganda to further the interests of an authoritative and totalitarian regime. Russia Today and the remainder of the current Russian press are the modern versions of the USSR's 'The Truth and The News, or know the standard joke that there is no news in The Truth and no truth in The News...'
Putin is enacting a long prepared goal of illegal and totalitarian expansion after the long worked up propaganda of a mythology around himself, Russia, and fervent nationalism.
An interesting perspective to consider. I have not seen any videos where the people inside the building or on the roof were firing, only the contrary. Also, I never saw them hurl stun grenades outside, only the people outside throwing molotov cocktails at the building.
Furthermore, in the videos showing bodies of people inside there was no one armed.
But she may be right, they may have provoked the attack which would certainly not justify burning them all alive. Every massacre the people conducting the massacre tries to find some justification for their actions.
It is definitely something to investigate
There are other things that just dont logically "jive" with this person's version of the story. If people were firing from the building, why are so many people outside just standing there watching, and video taping. Countless historical scenarios show that when being fired upon people panic, freak out, scatter.
*sigh*
I dont know why I feel like entertaining your ignorance, but here goes:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0a_1399079038
Video taken by someone outside the building as the pro Kiev protestors hurl molotov cocktails at the building, and even one guy (wearing Ukraine colors on his sleeve) brazenly fires his gun at the building. The savages cheer as molotov cocktails explode in the building and fires erupt.
Oh but maybe the phone that recorded that video is a pro-Russian propaganda phone?
Search liveleak for plenty of more including highly graphic video of people entering that building after the fire is out and dead bodies litter the inside.
Where are the police in all this? :hmm:
What I thought I saw yesterday was a pretty heterogenous crowd of Ukrainians getting angry at pro-Russian supporters who were firing guns at them. And then some younger, more aggressive males deciding to become vigilantes and then arsonists and things got totally out of control very quickly."
i've been trying to explain this to them too..
RT speaks english... Russians, speak russian...
this site is full of fools.
wooosh... Too cerebral? Nuanced.... Hardly. Though evidently too complicated for you to accept my clear and explicit linkage between the long presented lying propaganda of Putin as the classical saviour and strongman of Russian nationalism that has lead to fervent Russian expansionist invasions into South Ossetia, the Crimea, and within weeks, Eastern Ukraine?I have no idea how a publicity stunt by Putin has any relevance to this thread or how you tied it to RT News! But thanks for the laugh, I appreciate it!
Uhh, so al-jazeera MUST be a bunch of Americans or British people, I can find videos AND articles in English!