PRO WRESTLING rant...

GoldenBear

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I know what you're thinking. These guys aren't "real" athletes. The stunts they perform aren't real, and therefore they should be given zero credibility. You're thinking wrestling is no more than fancy women with big guys in tights fake punching each other. You're thinking, "Can you imagine the level of intelligence of a mind that watches wresting?" Do fans realize it's actually "fake"?

Well I'm here to clear up some confusion regarding professional wrestling..

Duh, isn't it scripted?

Yes, but so are TV shows, movies, books, and zillions of other forms of entertainment. And just because it's scripted, it didn't prevent 16 wrestlers from being killed in a span of about 6 years (football had 2 deaths that same period), an endless amount of guys who have had permanent injuries, (such as paralyzation and brain damage), and all the injuries faced day in day out. On any given day, it's said that on any given night at least 25%-40% of the guys wrestling are wrestling with some sort of injury such as broken bones, concussions, etc..

In a "real" sport, guys would be taken off the sidelines and given immediate medical attention of they are knocked out or otherwise severely injured. This isn't the case in wrestling, where guys have been "concussed" and have suffered broken bones, but the show had to go on.

So why watch it when the winners of matches are predetermind?

Same reason people watch anything else, for entertainment. The fact that Friends and other sitcoms are completely scripted doesn't dampen its entertainment quality. If anything, it improves it heavily, because a script allows for any multitude of things to happen that non-fiction just can't offer. And in a fight scene in a movie, i.e. Jackie Chan vs. six white guys, everyone knows Chan will win in the end, and even with the many cuts during the scenes, it's still fun to watch.

Aren't winners of matches so obvious to determine?

In some cases, yes, but no more obvious than the ending of movies where the protagonist goes over 99.9% of the time. Even so, with a full schedule to go on, the "good guys" don't always go over, and the winners is just as indetermined as in a "real" sport.

These guys don't need work hard to "win" if their matches aren't determined then do they?

A guy can only go up the "ladder" if he deserves it. Only guys that are fit enough, and give the impression and believability that he is "good" enough to be on top are up there. Only guys that put in great efforts day in day out are able to make regular appearances on TV and given "pushes", or credibility.

Whenever a wrestler becomes a cancer backstage or no longer gives his best effort every time, he will automatically be "depushed", and will stop making regular appearances. For the most part, guys that are too overweight or need to brush up on their skills are sent to the minor league systems to "tune up" before they have any chance of getting back up.

The average guy in the WWF typically a physique and fitness level as high as any professional football, basketball, hockey, or baseball player, if not higher.

Being a wrestler must be easy, with all the money they make without the struggles of making it there.

The money these guys make are considerably lower than what "real" athletes make. In the WWF, which is the king of wrestling, a majority of them make money in the low 6 figures, while only a handful break 7-figures. While it may sound good, it doesn't come with a medical plan, worker's comp, and even a guarenteed contract. If guys get injured and they can't perform, their pay will reflect it. There's no union either in wrestling either. Of course you can find all these benefits if you're working behind a computer desk all day, but not as a wrestler.

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guyver01

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Don't forget... that YES, altho the outcome is predetermined, the way the match progresses is not. The moves performed inring are mostly made up "on the fly" ... except when a huge bump is expected.. then some lead in moves are scripted. But other than that, most of the match is left to the discression of the players involved. Which is why you have injuries. The match is not practiced beforehand. Missed spots can and do occur.
 

Wangel

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All professional sports are fixed just like wrestling. Either way, they are still entertaining.
 

Ornery

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Hmmm, guess the same could be said for "Boy Bands" VS real musician groups. Entertainment is entertainment, eh? Damn! My life would be so much easier if I could rationalize that way!
 

Wingznut

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"In a "real" sport, guys would be taken off the sidelines and given immediate medical attention of they are knocked out or otherwise severely injured."

Yep... that's called being "bright".
 

GoldenBear

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<< Yep... that's called being &quot;bright&quot;. >>

I call not doing it as having a strong will and dedication to the fans and giving them their money's worth.

You wouldn't abruptly end a movie 10 minutes before the ending and show it that way would you?

An amazing display of courage was shown by Austin at Summerslam '97 when he was dropped straight on his head, nearly broke his damn neck, yet continued very weakly to the finish. He was almost completely paralyzed, but the wrestling ring apparently kept him alive..
 

GoldenBear

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<< me Searches Napster for Styx's &quot;Too Much Time On My Hands&quot; >>

I think writing one long intelligent post is not only being more productive than spending hours a day reading and posting around with 3-4 word posts. I mean, the post count and ranking system here sure makes people believe that more posts = better response because of these rankings.

Far too often do people make posts that contain nothing more than &quot;LMAO&quot;, &quot;ME TOO&quot;, etc., etc..
 

GoldenBear

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Eh, he wasn't on TV..apparently he only made an appearance between the Heat to Smackdown switch.

Yes, I was vastly dissapointed as well.
 
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Excellent post GoldenBear. I don't watch wrestling much at all anymore, but I'm willing to fight the good fight for those who like it.
 

Pastore

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<< In a &quot;real&quot; sport, guys would be taken off the sidelines and given immediate medical attention of they are knocked out or otherwise severely injured >>



i dont agree with this for one reason... HOCKEY... hockey is the most brutal sport out there, PERIOD
 

GoldenBear

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<< i dont agree with this for one reason... HOCKEY... hockey is the most brutal sport out there, PERIOD >>

I think short term wise hockey players get bruised and beaten up more, but wrestlers sustain more long term and career-threatening injuries..
 

Pastore

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to make another point... the moves are not predetermined... you can see the proof of this during matches, you can see the opponents talking to eachother, telling eachother what moves they are going to perform... if you dont believe me, watch closely next time, when they are bending over face to face, you will see what i mean... this doesnt take anything from their skills though... because they are some of the most skillful, and athletic people in the world...
 

GoldenBear

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You're right, but for some of the bigger matches they are completely scripted out..Example: Hogan/Warrior at Wrestlemania VI, that match was said to have been planned out and memorized and practiced for a couple months in advance. And as a result, it was probably the best match of both guy's career, or near the top.
 

Liquidcool

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IT IS NOT FAKE!!!!!!!!!!
Next thing you are going to tell me is that the Easter Bunny isnt real!!!!
You dont expect me to belive that...... lol

It is still fun to watch though.
 

Dedpuhl

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Great Post, Goldbenbear. It is a shame that most people will not listen and still bash us wrasslin'-lovin folk
 

GoldenBear

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<< For anyone who says wrestling isn't dangerous or real (in the sense of a real risk of being hurt and/or injured)..... >>

There's actually been about 4-5 threads about that.
 

DefRef

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Jeez, lighten up GB! I didn't disagree with your post, just made a joke. (Your post WAS good.)
 

Wingznut

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Oh, I'm not saying that Pro Wrestling isn't entertaining... It has it's place.

However, the performers don't suffer through injuries for the benefit of the show. They do it for the paycheck, and for the fear that their career will be in jeopardy if they don't.

Take Steve Austin's situation... He sustained a neck injury. By still performing, he increased his risks of even more serious injury. And you don't think this ISN'T a bright idea?

The performers need a union, before more get hurt or die.

As for &quot;the show must go on&quot; mentality... One of the more classless acts that I've seen, was when Owen Hart died and they continued the show. All in the name of money.
 

GoldenBear

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<< However, the performers don't suffer through injuries for the benefit of the show. >>

Are you a wrestler? Have you ever been a wrestler? Do you know any wrestlers? Please don't try to tell everyone what these guys think and want, it's an incredible insult to the hundreds and thousands of people that have been involved in the industry.

<< They do it for the paycheck, and for the fear that their career will be in jeopardy if they don't. >>

<< He sustained a neck injury. By still performing, he increased his risks of even more serious injury. And you don't think this ISN'T a bright idea? >>

You never know..he's back strong and healthy now.

However I do agree wrestlers take it a bit too far at times, but it just shows what strong willed people these guys actually are.

My respect increases a hundred times each time one of these guys sustain an injury that would leave a &quot;normal&quot; athlete heading back into the locker room, but instead to go on for the pure entertainment of the fans.

When Mick Foley fell off the Hell in a Cell which is a 16-foot structure straihgt down through a table to the unforgiving concrete floor, he was given attention by doctors and even Vince McMahon himself. They all tried to convince him to stop, but he went on to fall through the Cell structure AGAIN, with a chair falling on him resulting in him being completely knocked out for two minutes. Everyone wanted him to go home afterward, but he still continued to be backdropped on hundreds of thumbtacks.

What you're inferring is that he only went on because of his &quot;career&quot;, but if he cared about his career, he would've stopped, because for most guys just one of those bumps that he took would've meant the end. However by going on, he earned the absolute respect of fans through his will and hard work.

<< The performers need a union, before more get hurt or die.

As for &quot;the show must go on&quot; mentality... One of the more classless acts that I've seen, was when Owen Hart died and they continued the show. >>

I agree with that totally.
 
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