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I have a windows 7 pro 64bit license. Upgraded to windows 10. Id like to do a clean install, from my googling I see that I can freely do a clean windows 10 install as long as I keep my mobo. Is this true?

Would I be screwed when I eventually upgrade thus new mobo cpu etc?
 

BonzaiDuck

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I have a windows 7 pro 64bit license. Upgraded to windows 10. Id like to do a clean install, from my googling I see that I can freely do a clean windows 10 install as long as I keep my mobo. Is this true?

Would I be screwed when I eventually upgrade thus new mobo cpu etc?

I'm not sure about retail licenses. Not sure if Microsoft limits the license for the Win10 upgrade to the hardware where installed. It would make sense, even so, since they are providing the new OS to you free of charge. I say this because it's only possible that your retail license would become "OEM" once you install a Win10 with the Win 7 product key.

I personally put off updating to Windows 10, even thinking that I'd never do it with these existing machines. I discovered that you can download either the ISO file or the bootable USB Win10 install, and then make a dual-boot system by:

1) Upgrading as an overlay to the existing Win 7 -- keeping Win 7 operability but merging the newest OS with the old as a VHD boot volume. Don't do it this way: it is too much extra trouble to get the old Win 7 files deleted or removed.

2) Use a tool like Acronis Disk Director or True-Image to create a bootable CD/DVD version of the drive utility software. Booting up with the utility disc in the DVD device, you can shrink the existing partition and volume for the Win 7, leaving unallocated drive space. Then, run the downloaded USB or disc created from ISO and install Win10 on this unallocated space. You will then automatically have a dual-boot system with both Win 7 and Win 10. Obviously, you would want to leave the Win7 volume with space to spare for new files or programs, so it depends on how much free space you try to maintain on the boot volume.

3) You can add another HDD or SSD to the system, then install Win10 onto the new disk. It will STILL create a dual boot system, and both OS's will use the same 100MB system-reserved area on the original disk with the Win 7 installation. So there may eventually be a problem in deleting the Win 7 -- but with any attempt to MOVE the Win10 to the original boot drive. Some advice in this forum points to a need to do a simple repair with the Win10 install disc, and it will correct itself.

So it would seem that method (1) will give you grief for eventually removing Win7 -- which you might want to avoid. Method (2) is the best of the three, because after using MSCONFIG and its "Boot" tab to delete the Win 7 OS volume, you can then use your disk utility to expand the Win10 volume -- keeping the 100MB "system-reserved."

Method (3) is also easier than Method (1) as far as prospective removal of Win7 is eventually in the cards for you, but has the uncertainty about needing the repair and making it successful.

Of course, disks are so big these days, you might not wish to bother uninstalling Win 7, even if you begin to like Win 10 more and more.
 

Elixer

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If it is retail, then you can move the OS... if not, then you aren't supposed to, but, I have seen it done in the past.
 

Dahak

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If it is retail, then you can move the OS... if not, then you aren't supposed to, but, I have seen it done in the past.

Elixer is correct, the upgrade follows the license of the previous OS,

So

If you upgrade a Retail Win7 then in effect you have a Retail Win10

If you upgrade a OEM Win7 (Systembuilder or Manufacture OEM) then the Win10 is effectively an OEM copy with the same limitations
 

RLGL

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I just changed boards, no issues with licenses etc. I used the media creation tool from MS to do a fresh install
 

WilliamM2

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Elixer is correct, the upgrade follows the license of the previous OS,

So

If you upgrade a Retail Win7 then in effect you have a Retail Win10

If you upgrade a OEM Win7 (Systembuilder or Manufacture OEM) then the Win10 is effectively an OEM copy with the same limitations

I upgraded from a retail Win 7 to 10. I changed motherboard, ram, and CPU this weekend. Windows 10 would not activate on the new board with a clean install.

I had to install 8.1 again and update it to 10. Then Win 10 activated just fine after a clean install.

Of course you can also just use a win 7 or 8 key to install 10 supposedly, but I forgot all about that early Sunday morning when I did it.

Makes me think I'll be out of luck with any new builds after July 31st.
 

Dahak

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I upgraded from a retail Win 7 to 10. I changed motherboard, ram, and CPU this weekend. Windows 10 would not activate on the new board with a clean install.

You would have to have entered the Win7 key at time of install / activation as the automatic activation from the previous system is tied to the hardware and not the key
 
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WilliamM2

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You would have to have entered the Win7 key at time of install / activation as the automatic activation from the previous system is tied to the hardware and not the key

That was my point. I think after July 29th you will not be able to install 10 with a Win 7 retail key on new hardware.

MS claimed you get the same type of license you had (retail/oem/pro/home, etc.) before. I that were true I would have at least been able to boot into windows and still had an activated copy, I have always been able to do that with Win 7 retail. No clean install needed.
 

rip

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I just changed boards, no issues with licenses etc. I used the media creation tool from MS to do a fresh install

I did this as well. Major M/B, CPU, RAM, SSD upgrade. Put in my 7 license and voila! NP
This was AFTER upgrading to 10 on the old hardware, then upgrade, then clean install
 

nerp

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Does anyone know exactly what hardware it uses to generate the hardware ID? I know for a fact that it uses NICs, but does it use anything else? People say "motherboard", but for the vast majority of people, the motherboard and NIC are the same unit*. Maybe the NIC is the only part of the motherboard it's using.

*That said, it's very stupid and narrow-sighted of MS to use the NIC, because they should be regarded as a swappable component like a GPU.

Nobody knows for sure. Not much weight is put on the NIC, though. I believe the main thing is a unique identifer in the BIOS. For older machines, the belief is that it creates a unique code based on all of the hardware in the system. There is a degree of change that can happen. Swapping your NIC shouldn't break activation.
 

RLGL

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I swapped MB , reactivated and all was cool, took seconds. Win 10
 

SparkyJJO

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Swapping the a NIC absolutely does break activation, I've confirmed this multiple times. Most recently I disabled the on-board E2200 NIC on a Gigabyte motherboard and installed an Intel CT PCI-E NIC. Activation was broken for both Windows 7 and 10.

Knowing this has happened to people before is why I left the malfunctioning NIC enabled on my home server PC and just added a second NIC. No activation breakage doing that since the original is still there.
 

lupi

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Swapping the a NIC absolutely does break activation, I've confirmed this multiple times. Most recently I disabled the on-board E2200 NIC on a Gigabyte motherboard and installed an Intel CT PCI-E NIC. Activation was broken for both Windows 7 and 10.

recently had the on board lan port stop working and had to install a NIC on a win 7 machine, never had anything about activation come up.
 

lupi

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If it did it did so automatically without any notification to me.
 

TeknoBug

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Retail keys used on Win 10 upgrade can be transferred to another PC as long as that key isn't occupied elsewhere, I did this with 2 PC's so far and no hiccup from MS about it.
 

MongGrel

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Retail keys used on Win 10 upgrade can be transferred to another PC as long as that key isn't occupied elsewhere, I did this with 2 PC's so far and no hiccup from MS about it.

I would think so, I'd even transferred OEM versions of Windows in the far past on upgrades that I had bought myself in the past, but it required a phone call validation at the time.

Not even using any of those versions these days.
 

vatin

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I have a windows 7 pro 64bit license. Upgraded to windows 10. Id like to do a clean install, from my googling I see that I can freely do a clean windows 10 install as long as I keep my mobo. Is this true?

Would I be screwed when I eventually upgrade thus new mobo cpu etc?

If your underlying OS is OEM you can clean install Windows 10 only on your original board, but if your underlying OS is Retail then you can clean install Window 10 on any hardware. This is my experience.
 
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