Problem customer on eBay

delturcious

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Here's the story: I put up a bunch (16) of old 800mb hard drives on ebay and somebody does a BuyItNow on them. OK, so this is on a Sunday, I ship UPS on Monday, and he receives on Wednesday. He's irate because they're not laptop drives. Now I'm confused and I go back to the auction, and I accidentally listed them under laptop drives, but I included pictures, said they were from a LAB of Apples, and listed them as WD Caviar and Quantum Trailblazer drives, which I assumed were desktop-only series of drives. I email him back and offer to refund him the purchase price minus the shipping if he wants to send them back (it was an ALL SALES FINAL auction), but he says he shouldn't have to pay anything and proceeds to report me to PayPal! And he doesn't even include his name when writing me emails! What do I do about this guy? Or am I totally in the wrong? Email correspondence included below in chronological order...

Him:
These are not laptop drives, way too big.

Me:
I am sorry about the confusion. I saw when I looked back at the auction that they had been listed as a laptop lot and not a desktop lot. If I'm not mistaken, WD and Quantum don't even make laptop drives (Quantum got bought by Maxtor, however), and even if they did, their Caviars and Trailblazers are desktop series drives. If you would like to send them back to me, I'll refund you the purchase price minus the shipping, but it may not even be worth it to do that. Please, ask before bidding if you're not 100% sure to avoid this confusion next time, and I'll be sure to look at the entire category of the listing when choosing a previously used one.
-Me

Him:
Why should I have to ask if they are laptop drives when they are listed as laptop drives?
Yes, I would like to send them back, they are worthless to me.
No, I shouldn't have to pay for any of the confusion as it wasn't me who listed them as laptop drives.

Me:
Dear Mr. Jones,
It is up to the seller to make sure an item is described correctly, and it is up to the buyer to make sure that the item for sale is exactly what one is looking for before bidding. I did put these under the wrong category by mistake, but even if it was not understood from the description ("from a lab of Apple computers") that they were desktop drives, and even if I was not crystal clear, you never asked. It's extremely rare for a business or seller to pay for shipping (except back to the buyer after an RMA) and I will not refund your shipping charge. You purchased an item AS-IS agreeing to my payment terms of "All sales final", and the best that I can do is offer you a refund MINUS the shipping charge as long as they get back to me in the same degree of packaging that I sent them to you in.
-Me

Paypal courtesy of my buyer:
As you may already be aware, the Buyer Complaint Policy only applies to
the shipment of goods and does not cover disputes over the quality of goods
received. Because this claim regarded the quality of the merchandise
received by the buyer, we will not be conducting an investigation into
this matter at this time.
We do, however, reserve the right to begin an investigation within 180
days if we determine it is necessary.
Often, situations like this are easily resolved through communication
with your buyer. We encourage you to work directly with the buyer to come to
an amicable resolution.

Me:
I thought that this could be worked out, but since you are unwilling to work with me or even attempt a compromise, I guess there is nothing else that I can do. I am sorry that you were not satisfied with the transaction, but my offer is still open. Since you filed a complaint with eBay instead of attempting an amicable resolution with me, I guess there is no longer anything that I can do for you.
-Me

Ugh
 
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rh71

No Lifer
Aug 28, 2001
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Sorry but I'm with the buyer here... I'd take text over images for the most part (and I don't know drive models but if it's listed as a laptop drive, why would I question it ? You can't fault someone for that.)... it is still YOUR error and you should have the courtesy to retract the entire deal (including the shipping) since it was a complete waste of his time... again... based on YOUR error. Why should he pay for anything ?

I don't think it's really a compromise situation, bottom line.

The only part where he's an idiot is his quickness to file a complaint... but I really don't see how you would've caved with the shipping in the end.
 

delturcious

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Apr 25, 2004
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I'd rather not give his username away, but I'll copy the auction and post links to the pix:

AUCTION 1
PLEASE READ ENTIRE AUCTION!!! NO PAYPAL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS!!!
This auction is for a lot of WD Caviar 2850 hard drives. These are identical except for the manufacture date- but all were made around the middle of 1996. These were working pulls from a lab of Apple computers. It has been awhile since I tested these in a PC, but I remember that for some odd reason the one I tested would only FDISK to 500mb in Win98. A low-level format might fix that, or using NTFS, or just using an Apple, but I have no use for these now. I'm trying to clear out all my unused computer hardware before I move, so these must go.
These worked when pulled a couple years ago, but due to my time restraints these are being sold AS-IS.
PLEASE READ ENTIRE AUCTION!!! NO PAYPAL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS!!!


AUCTION 2
PLEASE READ ENTIRE AUCTION!!! NO PAYPAL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS!!!
This auction is for a lot of 8 Quantum Trailblazer 800mb hard drives that were working pulls from a lab of older Apple computers. These work with PC's just fine after a format. I tested a couple of these awhile back, but I havent used them in quite awhile. I'm trying to sell all my unused computer hardware before I move, and these must go.
Since the drives have been sitting for awhile, I am offering these AS-IS with no warranty, although I doubt that they have gone bad in the time that they have sat.
PLEASE READ ENTIRE AUCTION!!! NO PAYPAL CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS!!!


PAYMENT TERMS FROM BOTH
***NO CREDIT CARDS*** Payment due within 7 days of end of auction via PayPal (NON-CREDIT CARD), Money order, Cashiers Check, or Personal Check. ***No Credit Card payments of ANY type will be accepted*** All sales final. US bidders ONLY. Seller reserves right to refuse all credit card payments.

I'll have pix later...
 

nanaki333

Diamond Member
Sep 14, 2002
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his fault, not yours. i browse for cd burners, hdd's and monitors all the time on ebay. if i see an 18" LCD listed under HDD and buy it, i'm not going to be expecting an HDD.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I hate to say it, but in this case I think you are both right. Yes the seller needs to let the buyer know exatly what they are buying, and yes the buyer should make sure they know exactly what they are going to recieve. And since this error was on your behalf (putting it in laptop not desktop drive) I think the fault is more on you. This guy may not be a techie and not even know the difference between laptop drives and HD drives from the pictures. I know when I told my GF to get a drive for her laptop off Ebay, she had no clue what to look for. So I can see where this guy is going from.

And as with any business, 'the customer is always right'. So if I were you, to keep good business practices, I would suck it up and pay for shipping back to you and take the loss since it was you who made an error
 

Modeps

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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Give him his money back, everyone does not have the same skill with hardware knowledge. You f'd up. Bite the bullet and relist them.
 

iamme

Lifer
Jul 21, 2001
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honestly, if i were the buyer, i wouldn't want to have to pay for the shipping costs either. it was your mistake, not his.

you can't assume that he knows that WD and Quantum only made desktop HD's.

have you asked him to split the shipping costs? i think that might be more fair.
 

Mo0o

Lifer
Jul 31, 2001
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I think you're both at fault. Listing it under Laptop harddrives kind of factors into the "description" part. And you didn't state explicitly they were desktop HDs, only that they're HDs and added a brand. Although i would say he is more at fault than you.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: nanaki333
his fault, not yours. i browse for cd burners, hdd's and monitors all the time on ebay. if i see an 18" LCD listed under HDD and buy it, i'm not going to be expecting an HDD.

That is completely different. The buyer was looking in Laptop HD section. I would expect to get a Laptop HD in that section. In the item description, he never says its for desktop or laptop, so why would I assume its for a desktop if its in the laptop section?
 

mflacy

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Aug 8, 2001
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Unless you specifically said "desktop" hard drives in the text, you are in the wrong. Refund everything.
 

kranky

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Oct 9, 1999
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I think you ought to cover the guy's shipping.

He could have been more careful before bidding, but maybe he's not an expert on laptop hard drives. It's wrong to expect him to have asked if they were laptop drives, since they were listed in that category to begin with.

He obviously bought them in good faith. Someone who recognized your mistake and was trying to take advantage of you would have offered to keep them IF you refund some of the money.
 

delturcious

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Apr 25, 2004
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purbeast- he appears to deal a LOT in laptops and laptop parts, but nobody ever knows for sure

Ok so it sounds like I'm the @$$ here... is there a way I can throw a poll on here titled "Who's the true @$$?"
 

Modeps

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: delturcious
purbeast- he appears to deal a LOT in laptops and laptop parts, but nobody ever knows for sure

Ok so it sounds like I'm the @$$ here... is there a way I can throw a poll on here titled "Who's the true @$$?"

edit your first post, ass.
 

nanaki333

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Sep 14, 2002
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i'm with you on this one. i accidently bid on a playstation which at first glance seems like a ps2.. but if you carefully read, it was just a playstation & 2 controllers. it was my bad and i actually kept it without b!tching. i was at fault for not reading the auction carefully.
 

DBL

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Mar 23, 2001
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Sorry, the buyer may be a PITA but it was your mistake. I say refund the full amount.
 

So

Lifer
Jul 2, 2001
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Tough one, but he's not 100% in the wrong. A really good sellet would give him at least shipping back, probably cover all shipping.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: nanaki333
his fault, not yours. i browse for cd burners, hdd's and monitors all the time on ebay. if i see an 18" LCD listed under HDD and buy it, i'm not going to be expecting an HDD.

What if it said 18" LCD and you got the 16" one? This is not a case of obviousness. It's sometimes hard to tell a laptop drive from a PC drive just on picture and being that the title was laptop drives they should work in a laptop. The buyer and seller are both at faults and both idiots.

If it were me I'd have cancelled the auction and moved it to the right category.
 

rahvin

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Oct 10, 1999
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If he doesn't know what he's buying he shouldn't be buying anything. There is tons of crap all over ebay listed in the wrong categories (good way to get a deal). The solution offered was perfectly aminicable and he didn't want to take it so it's the buyers problem.
 

Dead3ye

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Sep 21, 2000
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No where do you state that these came from desktops and not laptops. But on the otherhand, the person buying them should have done a little research. He prolly saw a cheap BIN price and jumped on them before looking.

In short, I'd say you both are at fault and should split the shipping costs.
 

nanaki333

Diamond Member
Sep 14, 2002
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: nanaki333
his fault, not yours. i browse for cd burners, hdd's and monitors all the time on ebay. if i see an 18" LCD listed under HDD and buy it, i'm not going to be expecting an HDD.

What if it said 18" LCD and you got the 16" one? This is not a case of obviousness. It's sometimes hard to tell a laptop drive from a PC drive just on picture and being that the title was laptop drives they should work in a laptop. The buyer and seller are both at faults and both idiots.

If it were me I'd have cancelled the auction and moved it to the right category.


well, if his auction title said LAPTOP HardDrives, then yeah, it was definately his fault. from what he's saying though, it was just listed in the category for laptop hdd.
 
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