Problem with my GIGABYTE GA-965G-DS3

[kotoko]

Ok, I just realized that "Onboard SATA/IDE Device" is for the JMicron ports. If you are not using them, feel free to disable them for a small performance boost.

 

[Scramblejams]

Thanks to everyone for such a helpful thread. I was tearing my hair out until I found it.

@Bozo:

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
In other words - if you dont install Matrix drivers - NO AHCI, and you cant install Matrix on a DS3. Straight from the horses mouth - lol.

So Bozo, do I understand you correctly that it's simply impossible to boot XP off of a SATA drive in Port 0, with the BIOS set to:

SATA AHCI Mode: AHCI
SATA Port0-3 Native Mode: Enabled

...?

If so, that's unfortunate. I dual-boot into Linux, and running off the Intel with it set to AHCI gives me much more speed (40-60 megs/sec with hdparm -t) than booting off the JM in AHCI (30 megs/sec). It also gives me NCQ, which is helpful for my workloads. To top that, there's a Linux kernel problem (Debian, 2.6.18 or 20) with this board that prevents DMA from being enabled if you're in legacy IDE mode, which yields terrible performance.

So it seems that if I want to have the fastest performance and get NCQ (and DMA!) on Linux, I have to be plugged into an Intel SATA port in AHCI mode, but if I want to boot XP, I have to either run the Intel SATA port in legacy IDE mode, or move to the (slower) JM. Given that I don't want to give up speed or open my case every time I change OS, it looks to me like I'll have to hit the BIOS every time instead. Not the end of the world, but still pretty lame in my book, and it deprives me of NCQ under Windows.

(Background: I don't use RAID, just a single WDC WD5000KS drive, and reading this thread made me give up on using my PATA optical. I'm much happier now. The hard drive is now the only thing plugged into the SATA/IDE ports.)

Any clarifications you could offer would be appreciated.

Steve

 

[vailr]

@Scramblejams:
Your dual-boot situation is exactly why the "hacked" ICH8 AHCI driver was posted.
Reference quote by me earlier in this thread:

There's a modified Intel AHCI driver you can try:
http://www.devilhood.com/private/ich8_ahci.rar
From "Post #183" on this page:
http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=28439&st=180
Note: Intel's official AHCI driver is designed only for Intel Raid chipsets, not for their non-Raid chipsets.

 

[Bozo Galora]

@Scramblejams

I thought I was through with this thread (tho I am sure it will go on forever), but the fact thatt you say you can run full AHCI in Linux is interesting. I would think that Intel does not make 2 separate SouthBridge chips, ICH8 and ICH8R, it just does not make economic sense. So they must cripple the ICH8 with the chipset bios. (I didn't even know chipsets had their own bios - lol)
see the chipset schematic here:
http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/P965/prodbrief.pdf
So maybe Linux can do it, whereas XP cant. You say you have NCQ in Linux on Intel set to AHCI in bios. as such you must also have hot swap.

I have mentioned it twice already that Intel tells you, no AHCI or Hot swap on ICH8 chipset. I dont know why people keep asking about this.
Heres a screenshot from another angle - AN iNTEL MOBO MANUAL:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4062/intelhotahcipdfjy0.jpg
Thats about as clear as can be..
But maybe I should qualify it with "on Win XP" - heh
If you try to fresh install XP on a SATA drive on Intel set to AHCI in bios - it wont happen, you will get a black screen.
If you install a SATA drive to JM, in either AHCI or RAID, and load drivers, you will get full AHCI with hot swap, tagged cueing and write cache. In other words, JM works.
And, once again - no true SATAII (2) - no AHCI. Do NOT leave your drive jumpered as SATA1!!!!!

As far as Linux, and your allegations, it would be nice to see a screenshot of whatever Linux has as a "device manager" to see how - on that O/S with AHCI on - the ntel controller looks when configured in that O/S.

Now, somebody came long and said, "I can alter the .inf files and such for the ICH8R with some ICH8 and trick XP to configure AS THOUGH the O/S saw an ICH8R and it will just load it as AHCI (not RAID)"
Very clever guy.
So, if you load the ALTERED F6 floppy during XP install, windows will load the 82801HB controller into dev manager under IDE controllers. O.K., we have fooled XP, but we have not fooled the Southbridge chipset bios.
After loading the Intel infinstall chipset driver routine, the HDD in "disk drives" remains just a drive - not a SCSI drive (SATA)
The 82801HB controller remains in IDE controllers - which it is not, if true SATA.

I have write caching tab showing on my Intel SATA drive, but after I check it once, it greys out everything and cant be checked again - which I assume means it fails. Remember - it WORKS on JM363. And WITH hot swap.

So then I looked at the hacked drivers, versus the unhacked Intel drivers side by side - they sure looked the same, but they werent
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/7233/iaahcidifferencecf9.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1070/aahcidif2fg4.jpg
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9649/aahcidif3lf4.jpg

He appears to want to enable the 2824 device

The hack is not working, but he is very close and a little more tweaking would prob make it happen. But I dont care - I have my DFI board now.
Scramblejams =
Doing this "phony" AHCI hack, even if it does not work, at least you wont have to change bios with O/S.

While I am at it here (on and on), I might mention some possible help for those that have DVD with SATA on same controller probs.
The bios on first screen (Standard CMOS Features) is very slimy stuff...... (sigh)
The first entry will say none if you have no drive on the SATA 0 port, if you have one, it will show the drives numbers, but if you first hit enter, when it says none, you can then set "none" again (not auto) - and then that port is off, no matter what you do. Same for port 1.
Port 2 or 3, or when set IDE 4-4, 5-5, are different in that they can be set native (master/master) or IDE legacy emulation (prim/sec prim/sec). If you load a SATA optical drive you may have:
A SATA drive that WONT emulate IDE
A SATA drive that MUST emulate IDE.
A SATA drive that MUST be in a full AHCI port
A SATA drive that MUST be on a native, non AHCI port.
(May take a while to digest all that - LOL)
So it is very important WHICH port you put the DVD on, WHICH model DVD you purchase, and how you config ports 2-3.

FWIW, I have now modified my install routine so that use of a USB drive can be eliminated..
Something many might be unawares is that you can use MULTIPLE floppies during F6 XP install.

>Make JM F6 floppy (latest 1.17.11.02) (naked - no folder)
>Make JM F6 floppy with 5 F6 files - add the 2 files for JM IDE under "applications" sub folder in 1.17.11.02 extract (naked)
>Make Intel HACKED DRIVER F6 (8 files) (naked)
>Make intel Matrix driver floppy by extracting the ia621.exe - do not run it - extract it using DOS commands with -A as described previously here
UPDATE: There is now a version 7 of these drivers on station-drivers, use that one http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20raid.htm
Place all extracted files that are in the vers. 7.0.1020 "ALL" folder on this floppy naked.

Put ypur drives on the JM, Set JM to enabled, AHCI or RAID
Turn Intel on with AHCI and native
Make everything in CMOS Standard features port 0-1 to auto AFTER hitting enter on first "none", do not allow IDE on ports 2-3, hit enter on BOTH and then "NONE"
Start XP install, delete partition XP was on, "D" then "L", then format and start install.
Tap F6 several times, and when preliminary stuff ends, and you are prompted, put in your first JM floppy and hit S (select). Pick the AHCI or RAID driver install hit enter.
Put in Hacked Intel AHCI floppy, hit "S" pick the AHCI, hit enter and then continue.
Before first boot, XP will first ask for JM driver disk - put in SECOND JM F6 floppy, with the IDE drivers.
Then it will ask for Intel Matrix drivers, put in SECOND Intel driver floppy.
If you then dont see JM ide controller in dev man, just point standard IDE controller dev man update driver to applications/JM IDE folder.
Run JM setup.exe, reboot, run Intel infinstall 8.4 beta, reboot.

So I dont keep repeating stuff, peeps have to read more of the thread, other than just a few posts.

 

[Scramblejams]

Originally posted by: vailr
@Scramblejams:
Your dual-boot situation is exactly why the "hacked" ICH8 AHCI driver was posted.
Reference quote by me earlier in this thread:

There's a modified Intel AHCI driver you can try:
http://www.devilhood.com/private/ich8_ahci.rar
From "Post #183" on this page:
http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=28439&st=180
Note: Intel's official AHCI driver is designed only for Intel Raid chipsets, not for their non-Raid chipsets.

Oops, I missed that earlier, thanks for the tip! I had installed XP with the SATA set to legacy mode, then installed the JM driver, shut down, set the SATA to AHCI and native mode, moved the drive to the JM, booted up, XP saw the new AHCI device, asked for a driver, then I installed what you listed above, shut it down, moved the drive back to SATA 0 and booted right up. Thanks! I poked around and didn't see any NCQ stuff available, but I'm satisfied with what I've got.

 

[Scramblejams]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
@Scramblejams

I thought I was through with this thread (tho I am sure it will go on forever), but the fact thatt you say you can run full AHCI in Linux is interesting. I would think that Intel does not make 2 separate SouthBridge chips, ICH8 and ICH8R, it just does not make economic sense. So they must cripple the ICH8 with the bios
see the chipset schematic here:
http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/P965/prodbrief.pdf
So maybe Linux can do it, whereas XP cant. You say you have NCQ in Linux on Intel set to AHCI in bios. as such you must also have hot swap.

Not sure about hot swap, can't check it since I only have a single drive.

I have mentioned it twice already that Intel tells you, no AHCI or Hot swap on ICH8 chipset. I dont know why people keep asking about this.
Heres a screenshot from another angle - AN iNTEL MOBO MANUAL:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4062/intelhotahcipdfjy0.jpg
Thats about as clear as can be..
But maybe I should qualify it with "on Win XP" - heh

Yep, see below, it seems to work great on Linux.

As far as Linux, and your allegations, it would be nice to see a screenshot of whatever Linux has as a "device manager" to see how on that O/S with AHCI on Intel looks when configured in that O/S.

There are GUI-based dev mans, I suppose, but the ATA driver's FAQ page (http://linux-ata.org/faq.html#ncq) says this:

Linux NCQ (SATA native command queueing) support is enabled automatically, if your SATA drive supports it. At boot, you will see a line in dmesg (or kernel log) like

ata2.00: ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 321672960 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)

If the line containing the sector count and maximum UDMA speed does not mention NCQ, your drive does not support it.

So here's what dmesg says on my machine, where it initializes the Intel SATA ports:

SCSI subsystem initialized
libata version 2.00 loaded.
ahci 0000:00:1f.2: version 2.0
ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0100 32 slots 4 ports 3 Gbps 0x33 impl SATA mode
ahci 0000:00:1f.2: flags: 64bit ncq stag pm led clo pio slum part
ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF882C100 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 58
ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF882C180 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 58
ata3: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF882C200 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 58
ata4: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xF882C280 ctl 0x0 bmdma 0x0 irq 58
scsi0 : ahci
ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
ata1.00: ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 976771055 sectors: LBA48 NCQ (depth 31/32)
ata1.00: ata1: dev 0 multi count 16
ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133

Doing this "phony" AHCI hack, even if it does not work, at least you wont have to change bios with O/S.

Yep, that's where I am now. No NCQ, but that's fine.

Thanks again for the help and the knowledge. You may feel like you're repeating yourself a lot, but that's what happens when you're one of the guys with the answers. You too, vailr.

 

[vailr]

@Scramblejams:
Which leads me to conclude that Intel may yet provide an "official" fully functioning AHCI driver for their non-Raid chipsets, such as the ICH8.

 

[Noobody]

having read all post here

still confused

i am in the market for a new rig, ds3 seems very popular

i have one pata dvdrw and one pata HD will move over from old one ( these two will put on jmicron pata side, right?)

one sata raptor will be set as boot drive, (should i put it on jmicron because it runs faster?)

one sata 400gb as storage, can be put anywhere, really doesn't matter

have NO intension for any kind of RAID

will try to run windows XP sp2

will i run into any driver problem? these jmicron BS make me dizzy

i checked DFI 965-S dark, it has its share of problem also, and very hard to get

thanks for all the experts here to provide valuable info

 

[vailr]

@Noobody:
The main consideration when choosing the GA-965P-DS3 is:
Don't plan on using ANY IDE drives.
Just get a SATA optical drive and use only with SATA hard drives.
Otherwise, you'll likely run into problems.
Planning to use BOTH: IDE optical AND IDE HD on the single IDE channel, is simply asking for trouble. Definitely NOT recommended.
If you want to re-use older IDE drives, put them in an external USB housing. Or, some users report success using PATA-to-SATA adapters. About $12 at Newegg.

 

[Noobody]

thank you vailr,

i do have a pci-pata card, FAR from maxtor deal million years ago, i don't think i can boot from it tho.

so i am just waiting for DFI 965-s back in stock then

 

[Bozo Galora]

As it happens that gives me a lead in to my latest update in this never ending saga.
I decided to setup my DFI P965-S yesterday. Remember - this is the FULL ICH8R Intel chipset, with FULL Matrix RAID and FULL AHCI.
Supposedly.

I have indeed instaled theTRUE Intel 82801 HH HR HO controller, and in the correct place - under IDE controllers. Apparently, and unlike JMicron, the Intel considers the "AHCI only" native controller as part of the IDE subset, per their own readme file. ( I have already posted the text of that here somewhere)
Heres the DFI Dev Man........
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4624/dfidevmanbg4.jpg.

So - was I home free?
Everything perfect?
Of course not.

Under disk drives, I have the same crap as with the ICH8 HACK install. No hot swap, no tagged cueing and write cache that goes away after clicking on it. So, as far as Intel AHCI is concerned - the AHCI Hack works.
Now, this is very disturbing.
AHCI is Intel's stuff, they were part of the group that INVENTED it. You have to pay them a license fee if you use it. And yet the AHCI from $36 billion/year Intel doesnt function, while the AHCI from tiny Jmicron functions exactly as advertised. Does this make any sense to anybody here?
I always wind up with year 2001 Microsoft generic SATA drivers on the disk drive. I have tried every way possible to load Intel drivers for the AHCI Disk drive, including safe mode, and removing and re recognizing the drive, and it does not seem possible.
Now the Linux guy got his to work with LINUX AHCI drivers, semingly a workaround from Intel?MS drivers. He says he had a big increase in performance, which means SOMETHING worked.
Remember, my seagate 320 functions perfectly under all AHCI features under JM and is even shown as a NCQ drive in the JM RAID screen. So, its not my drive.

Is it possible that Intel's AHCI is crap?
Is it crippled by the MOTHERBOARD bios - not allowing it to function fully? But the Linux works - supposedly.

The key is to get intel drivers on the "disk drive" and have it show as a SCSI device THERE.

And so, I have to issue another challenge.
Anyone with an ICH8R mobo - any mobo - that has AHCI mode and Intel drivers on "disk drives"???
This time I dont think there will be any takers - lol.

Edit:
And, off topic, I ran into one of the most mind blowing booby traps on the DFI. When setting up RAID you are suposed to click on Cntrl and "I" to configure your drives - and it gives you about 4 seconds to do it. I spent an hour trying to make that happen, and it just wouldnt go. Finally, I tried hitting the caps lock before I hit the Cntrl - "I" keys, and it worked - can you believe that? Am I in the twighlight zone?
.

 

[vailr]

@Bozo Galora:
You don't specify which Intel driver versions you tried.
The 2 driver installers for Intel Raid boards (besides the JMicron driver):
1. Intel Inf driver
2. Intel Matrix Raid driver
It may be that: for Intel AHCI driver to be properly enabled, requires that a Raid array is present?
Not: the scenario as designed in the specification, but as currently presented, when using the latest Intel Matrix Raid drivers?
And, the DFI device manager .jpg shows a yellowed-out "other" device. Maybe a driver is missing?
Edit: The "Raid type" (Raid 0 vs. Raid 1) would also determine whether "hot swap" would work. Obviously, "hot swap" would NOT work when using "Raid 0".
Anyway: I'd be interested in seeing the differences in Dev. Man. comparing:
AHCI mode enabled vs. disabled in bios
Raid array present vs. not present, and whether the Intel Matrix Raid drivers install, or not (genuine Intel vs. "hacked" Intel AHCI driver).
Raid 0 vs. Raid 1.
And the corresponding drive benchmarks.

Edit:
To clarify: you're saying that with the JMicron AHCI driver, that you can:
A. hot swap a drive on a Raid 1 array.
or
B. opt to run AHCI mode enabled, with only one hard drive present (connected to the JMicron controller); and hot swap also works, as long as the drive is not the boot drive.

 

[Bozo Galora]

@ vailr
I tried all versions of both the inf and RAID, including old crap on mobo CD. When trying updating I always get message "not applicable to to this installed HW". I tried the .exe, the setup .exe mode, also steering to the extracted drivers, and also doing a "dont search", picking the controller and saying I have disk
I even tried picking both AHCI first and then RAID/AHCI during second "S" F6 and it wont let you.

< I CANNOT GET RID OF THOSE DAMN MS DRIVERS IN DISK DRIVES> If it is recogtnized as a removable storage device XP SP2 should auto make it hot swap.
And if it had Intel drivers it would show write cache and tagged cue and be SCSI.

AFAIK "Hot Swap" is "Hot Swap" - not just for some blade server with ten HDD in RAID. MY USB drive by itself is hot swap, even with all drives in IDE mode.
It MAY BE for Intel, the O/S drive is not hotswappable, because I found out you cant do a single drive in RAID on the DFI. But I am not going to do RAID until I get my raptors. And the dev man screenshot from another forum posted here on another page shows that on P5B DEluxe ICH8R he does get his HDD in "disk drive" as SCSI with Intel drivers when configured in RAID mode, but with controller under SCSI RAID, not IDE. http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1277/jmicronib4pr2.jpg
If I could just get Intel drivers on the disk drive I would be absolutely 100% finished with this nonsense.
I also keep coming back to the fact that the solo O/S drive on JM in AHCI only mode is hot swap AND NCQ
In desperation, called Intel tech help, and one cannot seem to ever get thru to anyone there even after an hour on various holds.

Other devices are LAN and audio - since I install XP so many times I dont bother to install anything not related.

Hot swap is not just for RAID - its in the AHCI Spec. When I put a single SATA drive on JM in AHCI - I get the removable hardware icon in the task tray, the SATA drive listed in the removable device window, with an option to "stop" the drive to make it safe to remove - both my USB stick and my Seagate. If I didnt get hot swap on JM I wouldnt even worry about the Intel..

Now they say I should get 77 years on Planet Earth during a normal lifespan. The computer industry has stolen so much of my precious time - bastids.

 

[vailr]

Bozo:
In case you weren't aware, there's a method to uninstall "ghost devices".
Open a command prompt:
Start/Run/CMD
Type:
set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
(Enter)
start devmgmt.msc
(Enter)
(Opens Device Manager)
Click: View/Show Hidden Devices
Expand each device category by clicking on the + sign.
Any grayed out devices: right-click "uninstall".

 

[Bozo Galora]

@vailr

That was good thinking. So I went in and, unfortunately, there was nothing extra showing.
I tried some more to load any kind of driver on the disk drive - but nothing.
Kinda strange, when I look for disk drive update it auto puts in E8500.inf in file window for some reason, which is part of Intel chipset MCH.
But I am totally busted on this.
To clarify - Windows configs hot swap, but it must see something CAPABLE to do it to assign drivers.
Im gonna go over to dficlub and pester them to give me dev man screenshots on the DFI.
DFI is kinda interesting in that if you turn off extended IDE on all ports (0-5), and set SATA @ AHCI, they disappear from bios on next boot, only 2 JM IDE show - which is correct I would think.

 

[Bozo Galora]

More info I just bumped into..........
(Might be interesting to DeathscytheHELL)

http://www.csd.dficlub.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2288

[Various post quotes]
"So I've got the no boot with SATA optical drives and RAID array issue. Just tried the 418 bios that was suppose to address the issue but now instead of getting the unable to load the ROM error and continuing to finish the post it just hangs at the end of the raid post.

Additionally I am unable to Ctrl I into the raid set up so I know it hangs. Unplugging the (Samsung) SATA DVD does not help as it did with the 402 bios, tried a Pioneer SATA DVD drive also no luck. Tried diffrent SATA ports with no luck.

I need to use a 3 DVD RWs, so using all IDE DVD drives won't help and I don't want to add another controller card the main motivation for getting this board was the ICH8R controller.

Can anybody shed some additional information on this subject or experiencing this problem since it looks like a true issue not an isolated incident being that DFI has released a bios to try and address this.
--------------------------------
IF you go look bios 418 is NO longer Beta and has been pulled completely. It does not work correct.

Bios R&D still at work and is hoping to have another bios up for trial on Monday.
----------------------------------
When Oskar gets this combination working properly he will have proved yet again the master that he is. This is an inherent problem with the ICH8R chipset. It doesn't matter what board is used. This problem has existed since the introduction of SATA DVD drives.
---------------------------------
I wish him luck, but the issue remains as of now.

Since the controller has had issues since day one. I would like think some MB manufacturer would have figured a proper workaround besides adding a secondary SATA controller to isolate the raid array from the the optical drives.

Maybe there is no fix, But Intel still keeps producing the ICH8R chip without revision to address the issue and the manufactures keep using it. Why not use an ICH7R. I have no problems with my Bad Axe 2 and the same drives.

Hey Intel created the problem in the first place by removing IDE support. So we all ran out and purchased SATA optical drives to solve the problem of only one IDE channel on most current mother boards. Look at all the recent non-Intel IDE and SATA issues. JMicron ring a bell."
------------------------

Quote -
"BIOS R&D working on it now" (DFI P965-S)

(What a pitiful pitiful industry)

 

[puck]

I am assuming I am dealing with the same issue here even though I'm not using RAID, or the Jmicron ports. My short history of issue with rev 3.3 board & F10 BIOS:

1. Plugged in Seagate 7200.10 SATA to Intel port 0
2. Plugged in NEC 3500A to IDE port, set to master
3. Fresh install WinXP. I did not pay attention to BIOS settings, but after XP install BIOS shows that both the Intel and Jmicron controllers are enabled and set to IDE legacy.
4. Drivers from Gigabyte CD were used
5. The 3500A was obviously recognized since I could install XP, but when I try to burn DVD in Nero, it is not recognized at all as a DVDRW, or even a CDRW.

I've read all 3 pages, but I'm still confused if I need to redo XP install with the instructions from Bozo Galora, or if I can do something else to get Nero to see the DVDRW drive (not including buying a SATA DVDRW, or buying a PCI IDE controller card).

FWIW the NEC DVDRW worked just fine with Nero in previous non-SATA PC.

 

[vailr]

@puck:
Re: "2. Plugged in NEC 3500A to IDE port, set to master". The green IDE port, in addition to the 2 purple SATA ports, are all JMicron ports. The ICH8 chipset includes no support for IDE whatsoever.
Re: "4. Drivers from Gigabyte CD were used" - No, you want to only use the latest drivers, or else update drivers, using the latest versions downloaded from station-drivers.com.
Drivers required from there are: JMicron drivers and Intel Inf chipset drivers.
For bios settings, re-read Fimbriani's post at the bottom of page 2.
He opted to enable AHCI in bios setup, whereas I did not. My optical drive is SATA; his was PATA. Don't know for sure whether enabling AHCI makes any difference, performance-wise, when using a PATA optical drive on the green JMicron IDE port. I'd guess: makes no difference.
As to: whether enabling AHCI after Windows is already installed will work or not: may or may not work. Depending on which port (JMicron v. Intel) the boot drive is connected to, for example. In other words: properly configuring AHCI mode may require using the F6 Floppy driver install method during initial Windows setup.

 

[Bozo Galora]

@puck

Um, this is not the mobo to just leave the bios as is and start installing stuff
And as vailr said, there is nothing on mobo CD for you. You get all your drivers from other places. ALL DRIVERS.

You will have to FORCE the install of JM 36X IDE drivers so that its controller will show by name in dev man, under "standard ATA/ATAPI controllers" heading
First set JM Onboard SATA/IDE Device in bios to enabled, then set onboard SATA/IDE cntrl mode to IDE
Use 80 conductor cable for NEC, red line pointed towards front of case, drive jumpered as master at end of cable
You need to download the latest JM driver.exe 1.17.11.02 (already linked)
In the driver pak after extraction to a place on your HDD, there is a file under "application" named jmide, in this folder are two files - an .inf file and a catalogue file.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3543/jmidedriverssk2.jpg

Now heres the problem.
Using the JM setup.exe wont install JM IDE controller after Win XP install.
Going to dev man, standard ATAPI contollers/ Standard IDE controller/properties/driver/update driver, and pointing the install driver window to the JM IDE drivers on your HDD will also not update the controller after XP install.

You have to go to update driver on your standard IDE Controller, say no to going on internet (not at this time), next, say you want to pick a drive from a location. next. then click on the last radio button and say I want to choose a device, then on next screen you will see a standard ide controller and a JM36x standard controller, pick the JM and steer it to the IDE driver folder on your HDD. (you may have to uincheck compatible device)
If you have no JM IDE contoller device showing as a choice, run the JM setup.exe and do the latter again.

You MUST see the JM IDE controller with JM 1.0.0.0 drivers.in Dev Man
XP wont recognize your drive or let it run correctly if it thinks its on an old mobo integrated IDE chipset.
XP wants to see what is there - a JM chip.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/2246/jmcompletedevmanqo0.jpg

If that doesnt work - you need to dump the NEC for a Pioneer, or test your RAM with super pi.

 

[puck]

Valir, Bozo -
Thanks for your help, I have the JMicron IDE recognized correctly in XP with 1.0.0.0 driver in DevMan. But Nero still does not see my NEC DVDRW as a recorder. Bleh.
Interestingly enough, Nero InfoTool identifies the drive as DVDRW with all the correct read/write features.

What gives?

Guess I'll just bite the bullet and spend some more cash on a SATA burner.

 

[Bozo Galora]

I have had 2 IDE burners on the JM IDE port since last year. A Pioneer 111D and the LG HD-Model GSA-H42N-BK . Burned tons of stuff, back and forth and from HDD on Same controller and also across to HDD on Intel controller. Never so mauch as a blip.

Are the drive LETTERS showing in my computer?

I would need to know what version of Nero we are talking about here They are up to 7.8.50 now, with tons of stuff in the regular edition, and even more in the full edition.
IMHO the two most reliable versions of Nero are the oldie but goody 6.6.0.16 and 6.6.0.18. You should be able to rustle up a copy fairly easy now. (cough)

AS vailr mentioned, you might wish to go in Dev Man in safe mode and see if there are any ghost devices - either controllers or drives.
You could also delete the drive{s} in dev man and let XP redetect them with the JM loaded.

You could also "clean your filters"
4) Remove the Upperfilters and Lowerfilters values by:

a) Expand the "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE" key (looks like a folder) by double clicking it.

b) Expand the "SYSTEM" Key

c) Expand the "CurrentControlSet" Key

d) Expand the "Control" Key

e) Expand the "Class" Key

f) Please look for a key containing the following string of letter and numbers:

{4D36E965-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}.
g) High light this key by left clicking once on it

h) On the right hand side you are looking for "Upperfilters" and "Lowerfilters", once you find these please delete them by high lighting (left clicking on them once) and then right clicking on them and choosing "delete"

5) Restart your computer.

6) Your Opticals should be back..
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You might also want to post a screenie of Nero DVDinfo tool, configuration tab

 

[puck]

Bozo -
Yeah the DVDRW shows up as a drive letter in file explorer. Strangely, when I left-click on the drive letter it does not prompt with "insert disc" or whatever, it just shows it empty (there is no disc in drive). When I have a CD in the drive it reads it fine. Haven't checked a DVD yet.

I'm using a pretty old version of Nero, somewhere around version 5. It worked perfectly with my NEC DVDRW in my old AthlonXP Tbred system with W2K. I don't like upgrading my software if it already works great! I'll download the Nero 7 trial and check it out anyway.

I'll try your suggestions tonight and report back.

BTW, I really appreciate the helpful responses. I love Anandtech forums!!

 

[vailr]

New driver versions:
JMicron drivers: 1.17.15.00 WHQL
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/jmicron.htm
&
Intel Matrix drivers: drivers version 7.5.0.1017 Beta
http://www.station-drivers.com/page/intel%20raid.htm

Edit: The JMicron driver is unchanged for the
"JMB36X Standard Dual Channel PCIE IDE Controller" version 1.0.0.0 dated 9/16/2006.
Still "Not digitally signed".

 

[Stress]

YOWZA

Updated to f11b bios and am able to maintain 415 fsb at stock voltages (+.2 for RAM) w/ RAM timings below SPD (was limited to 400fsb w/ esentially same voltage and RAM timings w/ f10 official).

Updated the SCSI and RAID JMicron JMB36X Controller to JMicron 1.17.15.00 - now the dev man raid0 drive write cache checkbox appears (not greyed out). Raid0 is noticably more responsive, but HDTach results are pretty much the same as before update?

Anyway... I'm a happy camper!!! :thumbsup:

 

[Bozo Galora]

@ vailr
Thnx for that driver update
Yeah those "unsigned drivers" is what causes so much grief with changing them around. Its that damn Windows File Protection. MS themselves say that if you are going to do a driver change that XP wont like - to do it in safe mode which disables WFP. Windows just does not like to change current "acceptable" drivers into much later/better "untested" drivers. It holds onto whats installed with a death grip.

@ puck
Are you saying you run W2K and Nero 5 even now with the DS3??

@ stress
The subject of overclocking and FSB is a bit off topic here.
As just a quick suggestion, run coretemp software and see what your CPU VID is and set vcore in bios to .05V over that. Then try +.075.
1.4V on a 1.325 chip for a short period of time wont hurt anything - just to see. A lot of guys over at extreme run 1.45+, 24/7.

>But, once again, trying to make this a ref thread for the web at large on JM and Intel drive config<.

Moving along, what you posted is a bit confusing.
I have always had write caching enabled and working on JM. It was the Intel ICH8 AHCI that had write caching that greyed itself out after clicking once.

BTW:
Everyone should read the AT review on home page on Hitatchi RAID 0 on Intel Matrix RAID 0. Despite astounding burst rates, what I thought was breakthrough HDD performance under ICH8R with Intel's trick writing scheme, in real life terms its just all a big pile of nothing. It appears the big burst rates dont mean squat.