Problem with my GIGABYTE GA-965G-DS3

[macpeteo]

OK, so everyone loves the overclocking on the DS3 but I being a "noob" 1st time builder would like something that I can overclock without all the work of trying to get the SATA/IDE CD-DVD to work.

I do consider everyones view on this DS3 board as extremely important and reading this thread, I'm very "scared" of trying to set up a RAID1 (2 HDD) and having a IDE DVD/CD writer.

So, is my nightmare scenario justified or is it just a matter of following directions?
Seems that this thread topic was on using a SATA DVD and SATA HDD, in my case I would just buy a IDE DVD/CD and of course use 2 SATA HDDs in Raid 1 off of the Gigabyte/JM controller (not using the Intel for anything atm).

So, given that, which would be better for my needs, the DS3 or the P5B-E (with its ICH8R Intel chip).

With the P5B-E, I would just use the JM for the IDE and the Intel chip for the Raid 1 config.

Or, just buy a SATA DVD/CD and use that in the DS3 (even the P5B-E) and this way , on the DS3 I would have all SATA drives on the JM (RAID 1 HDDs and the SATA DVD)

Lastly, I'm reading a whole lot about the "hot" NB, I assume thats when the board is overclocked to 3gig or more, or is the heat issue always there even at stock speeds (hence the addition of the NG_Fan plug on the DS3 rev3.3?

This board has a lot of "buyers", I assume that the vast majority of the crowd is right most of the time, so, my needs and your opinion on the better MB?
1. $100-$15
2. RAID1 support
3. Overclocking (I will probably go with the E6600 after April 22 when prices drop)
4. Overclocking, probably no more then perhaps ~2.8-3Gig
5. Stability
6. Good Audio off of MB
7. Future (1333 Bus?)

I would have to re-read this entire thread again to make sure I understand what I would need to do to get the Raid 1 and IDE to work (or RAID 1 and SATA DVD (DVD/CD from Intel ship or the JM)

On the P5B-E I'm sure there would be issues as well, on that MB, I would use Raid1 off of the Intel chip (ICH8R) and the DVD/CD off of the JM (IDE), or I suppose I could also a SATA DVD/CD off the Intel chip as well, if the combination of a HDD and a removable media device on the same controller is without bugs.

So, what say yea all?

Thanks so much for ur time on this,
Macpeteo

 

[DeathscytheHELL]

I just want to know if the steps listed above were what you did, and if at some point I didn't do what you did, let me know. And since you know a fair bit more than me, you would be able to comment on whether certain step matter or not.
Like the difference between a Slipstreamed Jmicron driver and f6'd Jmicron driver.

One MUST use an XP SP2 embedded CD.
One must NOT overclock anything during O/S install and config., keep FSB at 266 and 2.0X (1:1), which will show as 533 in blue.

cd is sp2
CPU is E6600, ram is SuperTalent DDRII 800
so the BIOS blinks at me when I lower the memory multiplier from Auto to 2.0 to get down to 533. Then again it still blinks at me when I choose 3.0 and reattain 800 manually.
My fsb is 266. and I have a choice between 6 and 9 its automatically put at 9x

 

[Bozo Galora]

@DeathscytheHELL

The F6 JM is fine as long as you get the JM Controller in IDE and SCSI controllers and your opticals are showing

9 is your default multiplier for the E6600
9X266.66 = 2399.94 (2.4)
Do not confuse CPU Multi and RAM Ratio
On the conroe you can go down to 6 in multiplier, but you cant go up - up is locked
So on a 7 multi E6300, you have only 2 choices - 6 and 7
The only reason to go down in CPU multi is to test your RAM at higher FSB and make bragging benches.
Leave your bios at host clock 9 X 266, just run RATIO at 2.0X which is 1:1, with DDR2 gives you 533.33 (266.66 X 2)
1:1 is the LOWEST ratio for RAM
all the other ratios make your RAM higher (2.5, 3.0, 4.0)
CPU to RAM ratio/multiplier
266.6 @ 1:1 (X2) = 533.3X8 = PC2-4266
266.6 @ 4:5 (X2.5) = 666.6X8 = PC-5333
266.6 @ 2:3 (X3.0) = 800X8 = PC2-6400
266.6 @ 1:2 (X4) = 1066X8 = PC2-8533
My RAM on SPD auto sets CPU/RAM ratio at 2:3 (1.5X) without me doing anything
We dont want that.

Disable host clock control
Take system SPD mem multiplier off auto
set ratio to 2.0
You will be running CPU @ 9 X 266, RAM @ 533

Still waiting to find out what PSU you have.
And once again, I need your temp numbers,
And I need to know if your system is stable in Ortho
I still dont see CPU-Z screenies.
If you want help, youre gonna have to do everything, or I lose interest real fast.

I found a review on your RAM
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1925
seems to be pretty good
Newegg page says its supposed to run 2.0-2.1V
So what voltage are you running on DDR2?
I cant recommend voltage changes (MCH FSB PCIe etc.) until I know whats happening at stock.

 

[Fimbriani]

Bozo and Vailr
After reading this thread several times, I took the plung and setup my DS3 1.3 last night ant thought I would forward some results.

E6700 (1066 FSB)
BIOS: F10
Corsair XM2-5300 (@2.5FSB for 667)
HDD: 1x SATA Maxtor 6
DVD: Plextor PX-712A (IDE)

So I set the BIOS as instructed above with the IDE and HDD hooked to the JMicron controller (IDE and Purple SATA). BIOS did not show these drives when onboard set to AHCI, but continued anyway. Windows would not install because it could not find the HDD. Okay...back to BIOS and set onboard to IDE. BIOS sees drives and windows installs. Once in I use Dev Man to update the onboard drivers and once done, under IDE ATA/ATAPI the JMB36x appears as expected along using JMicron 1.0.0.0 drivers.

Just for giggles, I rebooted and in the BIOS set the onboard to AHCI. Windows finds new hardware and installs drivers. I then use the 1.17.11.2 drivers and then the JMicron JMB36X controller appears under SCSI and RAID controllers along with 1.17.11.2 driver. HDD has the right Policies and SCSI Properties.

Reboot a couple of times to confirm that the BIOS no longer shows the drives hooked to the JMicron controller, though they show up during initialization and in Windows.

Okay..now I enabled the Intel SATA controller as AHCI. Use the beta drivers when windows finds the hardware and I now have, under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers: Intel 82801HB SATA AHCI Controller, JMB36X standard Dual Channel PCIE IDE Controller, and a Primary IDE/Secondary IDE. Under SCSI the JMicron still shows up.

So far no problems and everything appears to be working. Thanks for the detailed information.

 

[Bozo Galora]

@Fimbriani

Your first post on AT, and your first shot at the DS3 mess, and you hit a HOME RUN!
Congratulations - lol.

Yep, you got the JM IDE drivers
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1884/jmidedriverslvr9.jpg
you got the JM AHCI controller drivers
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7308/jm36xahcidrivertn8.jpg
and the "IDE" controller Intel ICH8(R) 82801HB "AHCI" controller/drivers, which eliminate the 2 port and 4 port 2820 and 2825 devices, and removes the 2 pair prim/secondary for the latter, leaving only the one pair for the JM IDE.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5385/intelahcidriversop6.jpg

Thats the good part

As it turns out, the Intel SATA "phony AHCI" bus pumps out about 20 more MB/sec burst rate on the HDD than the JM in "real" AHCI mode
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8682/hdtachintelocmx2.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1580/hdtachjmnoocnp2.jpg

Now as we know, true AHCI supports hot plug as one of its features
The HDD on JM AHCI shows hot plug
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1231/hotplugjmahciaz8.jpg
The Intel "AHCI" does not (ignore my USB stick)
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7346/intelhotplugzl1.jpg
And the JM can do tagged cueing and synch under SCSI properties, and write cache (policies tab)
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3628/jmahcitagcueingbb7.jpg
And the Intel has the policies tab greyed out and has no SCSI properties tab
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9383/intelnowritecacheas5.jpg
And most telling in the above link, the HDD is just shown as a drive, no SCSI anything, and the drive on the Intel port has MS drivers

At this point I am calling the Intel AHCI non functional, tho I might try a fresh install with JM off and see what happens with Matrix RAID drivers, on Intel. As was said, the ICH8 does not inherently support AHCI. The beta (not alpha) Intel inf install forces the recognition of AHCI Intel controller in dev man., but has no true function - as far as I can see. As a matter of fact, AHCI has nothing to do with an IDE controller. If ""true" AHCI was workiing, the Intel controller shown in IDE controllers would be down with the JM in SCSI controllers, right? The 82801HB sitting above the JM IDE is ridiculous.

So, I do have two quick questions for you, kind sir, herr Fimbriani ----
Did you or did you not use F6 JM floppy on first attempt?
And with your HDD on the Intel yellow port, in dev manager, under "disk drive", what does it say, and what drivers does it show? (or possibly a dual window screenshot)

Thnx

 

[DeathscytheHELL]

Sorry about the No screenies, because I had to read replies right before I head to work, I have been late everyday this week trying to figure this out.
And have had less than 5hrs of sleep everyday
and unless these screen shots tell you anything, this is the last time I can do more than theoretical work on this pc, it has gone back to its owner
with sata burner installed.

These screens are taken after adjusting the memory as above
cpu-z memory
cpu-z spd
Intel TAT
Lows in the high 30's, high when under 100% load on both CPU
temps in low 50's, avg of 50 when running orhtos
orthos after 1hr

Power Supply Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL
I had no memory problems when putting in of my RAM
I assume it automatically adjusted the Memory voltage the +.3 it needed
I don't see the point of lowering the speed of my memory when installing windows.
I can see not overclocking anything, but everything has been default or Auto in the BIOS

I will run another install, in the manner that it should work:
With lowered memory speed too (for the fun of it)
Master 0-3 None (turned off)

SATA AHCI Mode :: disabled
SATA Port0-3 Native :: Disabled
Onboard SATA/IDE Device :: Enabled
Onboard Ctrl Mode :: AHCI

f6 AHCI drivers, delete partition
run jmicron setup
run intel chipset

 

[Bozo Galora]

@DeathscytheHELL

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh. this thing has run me a bit ragged too. I didnt know about your work situation. I'm so used to peeps in the GH forum asking questions and then just leaving in the middlle of things to go off on their own.
And no, your ram does NOT set itself to 2.0-2.1V.
That most probably was your transfer prob, because this time you deliberately set at stock FSB, previous perhaps was @1.8V @ elevated FSB. I couldnt believe that Orthos would be stable on 2.0V RAM that was running at 1.8V and the SPD chip on the RAM set a higher ratio. But I'm not familiar with GSkill.
Now that I see your RAM is not "BAD", I was going to advise the following::
PCIe - +.2V
PCIe freq - 102 manual set (102 - not a mistype)
MCH +.1V
FSB +.3V
Normally I would recommend upping CPU core Volt 3 or 4 clicks, due to known "V Droop" bug on the DS3 boards, but Orthos is THE killer app. If Orthos is stable, then your ARE stable. However, when you start to overclock, the Vdroop thing will become apparent. I might also mention here that TAT ususally shows temps 12-15 degrees higher than other monitors, like core temp, Everest, or the BIOS health screen. The reason I said TAT is because it will show with a notice if the CPU is throttling due to temp. I forgot to tell you to turn off CPU monitor in BIOS so it WOULDNT throttle.

If Fimbriani comes back and answers my question about whether his HDD (when on Intel) shows as SCSI or plain HDD in "disk drives", and he says "plain", then I am done here - everything that can be done has been done. If he comes back and says his Maxtor is SCSI in Dev Man. when on Intel, I will go nuckin' futz.

So, I apologize again, when things go wrong on computers, we all get irritable until things start to go well again.


And one final thing - I turned on the JM RAID in bios - just for giggles - and it did not add the second JM controller like I thought it would. One did have the nag screen for the Cntrl - G RAID setup, and the JM RAID manager installed itself somehow, and put it in the task tray, and when opened was thusly:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5594/jmraidconfigswoy1.jpg
Interestingly, the JM raid window does recognize the seagate 320 as a NCQ drive.

The JM is not really that bad after all.

 

[kotoko]

I've been reading this forum topic and had a quick question concerning a single HDD (Raptor 150gig 10k) and which SATA port to use, Jmicron or Intel. Does it matter? I won't be doing any Raid stuff. I also have a Samsung SATA DVD R/W; can I hook both the HDD and DVD R/W into the JMicron (or Intel)?

The final concern is about the SATA Port0-3 in the bios..what is it exactly? Is Native better than legacy mode or something?

 

[vailr]

Originally posted by: kotoko
quick question concerning a single HDD (Raptor 150gig 10k) and which SATA port to use, Jmicron or Intel. Does it matter? I won't be doing any Raid stuff. I also have a Samsung SATA DVD R/W; can I hook both the HDD and DVD R/W into the JMicron (or Intel)?

Both SATA drives on Intel ports.
Generally speaking: Intel ports will be faster than JMicron ports, except for when comparing a raid 0 array on JMicron ports vs. a single drive on an Intel port..

 

[Bozo Galora]

@kotoko

Disable the onboard SATA (JM)
The Intel has a faster burst rate.
SATA port 0-3 is the four orange Intel ports
Native mode (SATA) has no master slave - its master/master/master/master
Ide legacy EMULATION has Master/slave master/slave (you are running a SATA drive just like a PATA drive, but on a fat pipe).
Run the raptor on Intel SATA port 0
Run the Samsung on Intel SATA port 2 or 3 (chanell 4-4, 5-5 in extended IDE mode), but heres where it gets a bit tricky.......

>"Standard CMOS features" in bios page
Note they have DIVIDED the 4 PORTS into two possible configs - 4 masters CHANNELS (native) and 4 IDE CHANNELS (legacy) type prim/sec prim/sec
But you can also set 0-1 port one way (masters) and 2-3 to Masters OR IDE legacy Prim/sec
You can set the 0-1 ports to auto/none/manual
none shuts off Intel 0-1
THEN.........
the 2-3 ports can be set to auto "IDE" detection - 2-3 Native Master/master master/master mode
Or.......
EXTENDED IDE mode - legacy IDE emulation master/slave - master/slave channels 4/4 - 5/5 "IDE" auto, or none, no legacy mode. None shuts off port 2-3 - but whether it totally shuts off those two, or just the legacy IDE mode, I am not sure.

I think what it boils down to is that either the mobo bios was iwritten for dual mode use - ICH8R and ICH8 use, or going from asain language to English the terms IDE Native AHCI Extended Legacy SATA are all jumbled.
I am awaiting my raptors and a pioneer SATA burner.
Until I get them I have no way to tell if auto auto will make the burner work in tandem with the HDD and under what bios input.
Maybe you could be the one to tell us:
Just leave everthing in Standard CMOS features on auto auto and try a transfer from HDD to burner.

:beer:

Edit: @vailr
Sorry, I was writing while you had already posted

 

[kotoko]

Yeah I think I'll do auto..

Hmm..can I just put the HDD on sata port 0 and Samsung on sata port 1?

Also, I don't wish to do AHCI mode. Will putting the settings like this be fine?

SATA AHCI Mode__________ [Disabled]
SATA Port0-3 Native Mode [Enabled]
....
...
Onboard SATA/IDE Device_ [Disabled] <----- I believe this refers to the Gigabyte SATAII ports
Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode [IDE]

 

[Bozo Galora]

Just do it - lol
Nothings going to blow up
Then run a Nero CD/DVDSpeed test after doing a "create test disc", and in Nero info tool see if the Samsung drive is at DMA 4 or 3
Leave AHCI off on Intel - there is absolutely no dif in performance
AHCI on the DS3 is a scam

 

[Fimbriani]

That's exactly how it looks and operates. I did not realize that you could hot plug under AHCI. That not withstanding, what I have supports your argument about the ICH8 being a "phony AHCI." What I cant confirm though is what a SATA drive looks like on the Intel controller when its configured this way.

The strange this is, at no time was I asked for the f6 drivers. I ended up using Dev Man for driver updates. One thing to note is that this version of the Maxtor 6 is not a true STATII drive but a SATA Gen1 and Gen 2 hybrid.

Oh...and the SATA HDD is still on the JMicron SATA Header.

If the Intel controller is not a true AHCI, can I still move the HDD over to the Intel controller (powered down state)?

 

[vailr]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora

Leave AHCI off on Intel - there is absolutely no dif in performance
AHCI on the DS3 is a scam

Corrected: "AHCI on DS3's Intel port is a scam".

 

[Bozo Galora]

@Fimbriani

Thank you, you made my day. I can now put this thing to rest.

Anytime you have true AHCI, you have hot plug. If you put a drive on the relevvent controller - the JMicron SATA.
Win XP will put an icon in the task tray at bootup. You can then click it open and check "stop" in the dialogue window, which will then mean your drive is safe to unlug, with computer "on".

I would assume your "bridge chip" Maxtor would be capped at SATA 1 - 150MB/sec, but it is really just a PATA drive with SATA intefcace. But you would need to run a HDTach bench to see what the burst is.
If so, you would be getting something like 127MB/s - ATA/ATAPI 7 less overhead.

You can freely unplug the HDD on JM when PC on, or plug it in JM when on, OR move to Intel WHEN OFF, or move to JM WHEN off.

You got around needing the F6 because you picked IDE JM mode which allows XP to recognize an old "IDE" controller, load the O/S employing yr 2001 legacy IDE drivers from SP2. What you did show, is that it is possible to update to proper config AFTER install. To complicate - there are two ways to update the driver - using the Intel and JM .exe's, or extracting them and pointing the update driver tab to the extracts for each device on each controller.

I might also point out that I am obssessive/compulsive about this stuff, so i do tend to make things more complicated than necessary (Obviously) I am also wringing this out from every angle for others on the web who might come here.

heres a little blurb about Native - Legacy from Microsoft:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/serialATA_FAQ.mspx

Quote:
The benefits that the Serial ATA interconnect brings to ATA comes from its cable connector, its cabling, and its transfer speed. In the future, there may be new ATA commands that apply only to Serial ATA, but these will be extensions to the ATA command protocol and should not be construed as a Serial ATA command protocol. The next section examines how the new Serial ATA interconnect has taken shape since its introduction.

Native Serial ATA Mode

The advanced features that can be utilized in native mode revolve around improvements to the Serial ATA interconnect. The feature that has generated the most interest in this area is hot plugging, which allows an end user to remove a storage device from a Serial ATA controller while a system is running. This is useful for RAID systems and notebook docking stations with built-in storage devices. However, hot plugging should not be attempted with a system's primary boot device.

Another improvement is finer grained power management. In addition to doing power management on Serial ATA storage devices, the Serial ATA controller itself can be managed so that unused parts of the controller can be put into lower power modes to conserve electricity.

Finally there are features for Serial ATA drivers. There are new control, error and status registers that allow the Serial ATA controller to pass information to the driver about Serial ATA specific features. Also the Serial ATA interconnect configures its own transfer rate so that the driver no longer needs to.

SATA II Features and Details

The most significant Native Serial ATA mode feature defined in Serial ATA II is native command queuing, which is optimized for Serial ATA and is much more efficient. The intention of the new queuing method is to improve performance by eliminating handshakes, allowing aggregating of interrupts, and reducing the interface transaction count.

Other optional features try to make Serial ATA more attractive in enterprise storage markets. The Enclosure Services feature allows a Serial ATA controller to communicate status and control commands to the enclosure processor of the storage system. Serial ATA II also defines signal constraints for using Serial ATA as a rack backplane and a mechanism for controlling staggered spin up

~~snip~~
Note that SATA "Native" gives hot plug
And only SATA II gives NCQ and synchro (jumper your drive as SATA 1 - no go)
Actually, one should read the whole thing (over and over)

Edit: And heres everything you wanted to know about tagged cueing, synchronization and write caching
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/233541
(must read)

 

[Bozo Galora]

Originally posted by: vailr

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora

Leave AHCI off on Intel - there is absolutely no dif in performance
AHCI on the DS3 is a scam

Corrected: "AHCI on DS3's Intel port is a scam".

correct - thank you :thumbsup:

 

[Bozo Galora]

Oh, geezus. I just noticed the OP has a P965G V 3.3 - the one with the intel onboard graphics chip.
I wasnt even aware they were still updating the revisions for that turkey.

Heres an 8 page thread as to why it sucks
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...adid=1926179&STARTPAGE=7&enterthread=y

THATS his real problem
Heh - all this for nothing.
I'm now going to jump out of a window.

 

[Fimbriani]

@Bozo Galora
Glad to help. Thanks for the information it is now much clearere as to why these things are happening.

 

[Bozo Galora]

a few last items

A very important little blurb from a small page on their support site:
http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/imst/sb/CS-012304.htm
Quote:

Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) is an interface specification that allows the storage driver to enable advanced Serial ATA features such as Native Command Queuing and hot plug.

Note: AHCI requires Intel® Matrix Storage Manager software and is built into chipsets with the following controller hubs:

* Intel® 82801HR/HH/HO I/O Controller Hub (ICH8R) - RAID and AHCI
* Intel® 631xESB/632xESB I/O Controller Hub - RAID and AHCI
* Intel® 82801GHM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7MDH) - RAID only
* Intel® 82801GBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH7M) - AHCI only
* Intel® 82801GR I/O Controller Hub (ICH7R) - RAID and AHCI
* Intel® 82801GH I/O Controller Hub (ICH7DH) - RAID and AHCI
* Intel® 82801FR I/O Controller Hub (ICH6R) - RAID and AHCI
* Intel® 82801FBM I/O Controller Hub (ICH6M) - AHCI only

ICH8, ICH7 and ICH6-based chipsets, as well as ICH5 and ICH5R-based chipsets, do not use AHCI.
(Unquote)

In other words - if you dont install Matrix drivers - NO AHCI, and you cant install Matrix on a DS3. Straight from the horses mouth - lol.
-----------------------------------------------------
Intel speaking generally on SATA:
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/sb/CS-020811.htm#speed
SATA Modes (AHCI; Hot Swap)
The SATA controller has three modes of operation:

* IDE mode - no AHCI, no RAID
* SATA mode (sometimes called AHCI mode) - AHCI enabled, no RAID
* RAID mode - AHCI enabled, RAID enabled

AHCI mode also allows for Hot Swapping drives.

Switching SATA modes in the BIOS after installing the operating system is not recommended when a SATA drive is the boot drive. Switching modes may cause an immediate blue screen with an 0x0000007b error code, followed by a reboot.

SATA Controller Not Running at 150MB per Second
Intel® Desktop Utilities may report that Serial ATA drives are running at ATA speeds (ATA/100 or ATA/133). This is because the Serial ATA controller is running in Emulating Parallel ATA mode and is using Windows parallel ATA drivers (i.e. atapi.sys). While the Serial ATA controller may be operating at a higher transfer speed, it may claim to be operating in a slower parallel ATA transfer mode. All versions of Windows prior to Windows Server* 2003 have support for Emulating Parallel ATA mode. For additional information

(a few quotes)
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Now, for those who wish to bring their newly working O/S completely up to date without even going to the MS site, there is autopatcher
http://www.autopatcher.com/autopatcherxp/
http://torrent.autopatcher5.mirror.ineedhosting.net/mystats.php

To load your XP CD with a ton of drivers - turning it into a DVD, theres driverpacks
http://www.driverpacks.net/
http://www.driverpacks.net/DriverPacks/

I would say that about does it.

 

[macpeteo]

Any know if Gigabyte will sell the P965-DS3P in the US of A?


Tx,
Macpeteo

 

[vailr]

Originally posted by: macpeteo
Any know if Gigabyte will sell the P965-DS3P in the US of A?


Tx,
Macpeteo

Can be ordered from Australia:
http://www.techbuy.com.au/products/7022...L_S775/Gigabyte/GA-965P-DS3P(V3.3).asp
Price: $232.85 AUD ($194.097 USD) + shipping.
More vendors:
http://www.shopbot.com.au/default.asp?kw=Gigabyte+P965-DS3P&position=search

 

[DeathscytheHELL]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
Oh, geezus. I just noticed the OP has a P965G V 3.3 - the one with the intel onboard graphics chip.
I wasnt even aware they were still updating the revisions for that turkey.

THATS his real problem
Heh - all this for nothing.
I'm now going to jump out of a window.

Don't jump just yet

Originally posted by: DeathscytheHELL on first page
Just to be clear, inside my computer is:
1 Seagate SATA 3.0Mb/s 320Gb HDD
1 LG IDE Multicombo DVDRW
Motherboard GIGABYTE GA-965-DS3(not g, not p) rev 3.3 bios 10(i am pretty sure)
Thats it.

It's been a long road, and I actually bypassed the problem with a SATA DVD
One more format, now that I know the Intel SATAs are faster, or have to worry about AHCI and I think I am done messing with this board.

Man this was a learning experience!
@Bozo Galora and vailr and everyone else who got involved
I can't thank you enough for the the links and the help, too bad I never got the IDE DVDrw working on the Jmicron.

 

[NodesOY]

Hey guys,

I've been Googling trying to find a solution to my particualr problem and it seems that this thread is about the closest I've got.

I have Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 Rev1.0 running Vista HP perfectly. I have a WD Cavair 250GB SATAII Drive with the OS plugged into Intel orange SATA socket (Channel 0) and a LG DVD-Multiwriter as master on the IDE socket. Nothing overclocked, all standard, everything works as it should.

My problems start when I try to add another Hard Drive. I have bought another WD Caviar, 500GB SATAII as I was so happy with the first (strangley this one only has SATA power so I had to get an adapter). I have plugged this into the same orange intel socket (Channel 1). BIOS recognises new drive no probs.

When I boot into Vista, I get a meesage telling me I need to install a driver for my new drive. So I go through the motions and it never finds a driver. I then go into device manager and it is sat in the disk drives with no exclamation mark. Great you think, but oh no, it's not that simple. The drive does not show up in explorer so I go to Disk Management and there's the disk, intitialised, formatted but with no drive letter assigned. So I try to assign one and I get the following message:

"The operation failed to complete because the Disk Management console view is not up-to-date. Refresh the view by using the refresh task. If the problem persists close the Disk Management console, then restart Disk Management or restart the computer" Needless to say I have tried both options many times.

In my random efforts to solve the problem I have updated every driver I can. I have also installed the Gigabyte Raid driver which now seems to have screwed up my DVD writer (now thinks it's a SCSI drive!).

So please can anybody help.


P.S. When I first installed the drive I went through the usual polava of initialising and doing a quick format of the drive. This worked and the drive showed up as a D: I then promptly moved the location of my Documents, Photos and Music to D: which I cannot now access. I know it's all on the drive I just can't access it.

P.P.S. I'm not sure about the etiquette of stealing someone elses thread but if it's not the done thing then I'll move it to a new thread. I just thought with so many knowledgable people posting in here they may be able to help.



PLEASE HELP ME!!

 

[MDIndexer]

Originally posted by: Fimbriani

If the Intel controller is not a true AHCI, can I still move the HDD over to the Intel controller (powered down state)?

Would happens when you place your hard drive on the Intel SATA 0 slot? Does it give a windows blue screen and reboot?

I setup my install just as you did.

1.) Set SATA ACHI Mode to Disabled
2.) Set SATA Port 0-3 Native Mode to Enabled
3.) Onboard IDE to enabled
4.) Onboard Control Mode to IDE.
5.) Instaled windows.
6.) update intel drivers (did this because yellow icon would not allow installing JMicron 1.0.0.0)
7.) set onboard to raid
8.) when logging back into windows I installed the JMicron drivers
9.) reboot
10.) Enabled SATA ACHI mode in bios
11.) rebooted and had a single primary a single secondary and a JMB36X standard dual PCIE controller.

I dont see the darn Intel 82801 HB controller.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: vailr
To use any IDE drives on the DS3 board, is like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Too much effort for too little benefit.

I blame Intel for all of this - for dropping chipset-native PATA support too soon, just to force a push to SATA. Surely it can't cost too much to leave it included on their chipsets. Native IDE support would be so much easier, like on my NF4 boards.