Promises Promises Promises

[DealMonkey]

He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

God is evil, Saddam is good.. Anything but Bush.. that pretty much sums up your post..

Not sure what you are talking about in the 'document' comment..

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

God is evil, Saddam is good.. Anything but Bush.. that pretty much sums up your post..

Not sure what you are talking about in the 'document' comment..

document = Constitution.

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

God is evil, Saddam is good.. Anything but Bush.. that pretty much sums up your post..

Not sure what you are talking about in the 'document' comment..

Funny, that's not what I read in his post, but I guess your disgusting hate for anyone on the left blinds you from allowing anything constructive coming from your mouth.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: conjur
I seem to recall one very important promise from Bush:

No Nation Building.
Hmmm....

Well, he hasn't made one succesfull nation, so I don't think there's anything to come for.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

God is evil, Saddam is good.. Anything but Bush.. that pretty much sums up your post..

Not sure what you are talking about in the 'document' comment..

Well, that pretty much sums up that dyslexia or crack-pipe are present.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: bykim5

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

God is evil, Saddam is good.. Anything but Bush.. that pretty much sums up your post..

Not sure what you are talking about in the 'document' comment..

document = Constitution.

agreed, Crimson that was an awfully closeminded interpretation from you.

 

[Siddhartha]

There are republican and democrat type tax and spending programs. What Kerry was talking about are not republican type tax and spending programs. The republicans control the House and the Senate. So I doubt Kerry is going to have smooth sailing with his objectives.

When I get some time, I will up look what GWB said in his 2000 acceptance speech.

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: glenn1

glenn.....I really don't know what turned you off so much about this speech, but I as well as just about every analyst on every network that I have watched tonight thought it was pretty darn good, in fact most thought it was well above what they thought Kerry could do.
Yes, many parts of it were typical politician blabber. I really am starting to not like this whole postiveness/optimism BS in speeches, now I kinda wish they went back to mudslinging

I dunno. I guess I was hoping for a Clintonesque style and prescription for governing, instead it sounded like some recycled Dukakis or Mondale blather. I've been hearing all this week about how the strategy was to re-create the policies and attitudes of the Clinton years, and feel disappointed that it wasn't even close. I've gotten a look at Kerry now, and while I still prefer him over Bush at the moment I'm not excited about him in the least. He sounds like a perfect bureaucrat/egghead/policy wonk who'd be perfect for putting together Agriculture Department reports, not the potential leader of the free world. Instead I'm reduced to hoping that Bush's speech doesn't sound like some late night TV show and am not thinking I'm going to be pleasantly surprised.

Kerry does Seem Very "Bureaucratic" I agree. Holding Kerry To the Standard of Clinton in his speech I feel is really unfair. Not many, if any, are better speakers than Bill clinton. He could sell Ice to an eskimo.

I See the Vote as Balance of Power. Gop controlled House. Split Senate. DEm President.

Checks and balance. Something the Rubber stampers have completely forgot about in the Last 4 years.

Has Bush Ever vetoed a Bill? Is that because Congress is his B!tch

 

[arsbanned]

Heh. Crimson, where in the World did you get that vile crap you're spewing? Crack pipe AND dyslexia maybe. Seek help man.

CADkindaGUY

This thread is about Bush? I thought I posted a news story that compiled the list of kerry's promises from his speech tonight. I guess I'll have to double check to OP to see if I linked to the wrong thing..

You should have posted it in the Kerry speech thread then.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

There goes the religious vote for Kerry.

People who were probably pissed off by the speech:
Republicans
Christians/Jews (especially Catholics)
Drug companies and employees of these companies
Upper class
Small government supporters
Oil companies

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: 1cito

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
This thread is about Bush? I thought I posted a news story that compiled the list of kerry's promises from his speech tonight. I guess I'll have to double check to OP to see if I linked to the wrong thing...
CkG

Did you seriously expect anything less on ATPN?

No, but being the eternal optimist I am, I thought we might be able to discuss some of those promises. Some seem to be quite vague while others seem sort of "pie in the sky". But that's just my overall opinion of the list of promises.

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tallest1 - "shoo" yourself Yeah, I remember seeing your thread but I didn't have time to respond when I read it and then forgot about it. I remember thinking that we have until 2008(2009 actually) to hash out that argument

CkG

It might be worthwhile to start the thread over saying that you want to discuss the promises. Just listing them out kind of makes the statement "Oh look, another buch of promises"

You are right that discussing them would be much more interesting than everyone noting that politicians make promises. Whether they are able to keep them or not, hopefully the promises that a presidential candidate makes are some kind of an indication of what kind of president they would like to be.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

There goes the religious vote for Kerry.

People who were probably pissed off by the speech:
Republicans
Christians/Jews (especially Catholics)
Drug companies and employees of these companies
Upper class
Small government supporters
Oil companies

Don't most Christians not wear their faith on their sleeve and not let it interfere with scientific progress? I don't see why his statement would upset anyone but the fundies.

 

[Todd33]

http://www.failureisimpossible.com/needtoknow/campaignslogans.htm

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
agreed, Crimson that was an awfully closeminded interpretation from you.

Does anyone expect anything less? Um Crimson? You may want to wipe your chin, you've got some spittle there.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Todd33
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/needtoknow/campaignslogans.htm

This coming from Mr. Non-partisan? I'm shocked!

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: Todd33
http://www.failureisimpossible.com/needtoknow/campaignslogans.htm

This coming from Mr. Non-partisan? I'm shocked!

The whole thread and all replies are partisan. I was proving a point about promises. Debate the content, don't just attack the source.

 

[fjord]

Plus the promises at the beginning of Kerry's acceptance speech:

"As president, that is my first pledge to you tonight: as president, I will restore trust and credibility to the White House....

I will be a commander in chief who will never mislead us into war. I will have a vice president who will not conduct secret meetings with polluters to rewrite our environmental laws. I will have a secretary of defence who will listen to the best advice of the military leaders. And I will appoint an attorney general who will uphold the Constitution of the United States."

 

[Hossenfeffer]

While I'd love to believe he can deliver on all of em, history is a pretty clear indicator that he just won't be able to. He'll -want- to, sure, but given the complications to the issues, he'll be basically forced to take alternate (or non) positions.

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

There goes the religious vote for Kerry.

People who were probably pissed off by the speech:
Republicans
Christians/Jews (especially Catholics)
Drug companies and employees of these companies
Upper class
Small government supporters
Oil companies

I don't think small government supporters or Christians/Jews & the average catholic will have a huge issue with him. The rest of the bunch are gonna be pissed because they won't be able to buy him out.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

There goes the religious vote for Kerry.

People who were probably pissed off by the speech:
Republicans
Christians/Jews (especially Catholics)
Drug companies and employees of these companies
Upper class
Small government supporters
Oil companies

I don't think small government supporters or Christians/Jews & the average catholic will have a huge issue with him. The rest of the bunch are gonna be pissed because they won't be able to buy him out.

Well, I've been to 6 churches in my area and they're all supporting Bush because Kerry doesn't "support his policies with his faith." These churches are Baptist, Methodist, UCC, and Catholic. Of course, I live in VA, so pretty much everyone is Republican anyway. Small government supporters should have a problem with him.. the guy has like 2000 advisers right now, and he's still only campaigning.

 

[Gaard]

Not sure what the desired discussion is? The fact that Kerry made promises? The fact that Kerry made a lot of promises? The promises themselves? The probability of keeping the promises?

Help me out here CAD.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

There goes the religious vote for Kerry.

People who were probably pissed off by the speech:
Republicans
Christians/Jews (especially Catholics)
Drug companies and employees of these companies
Upper class
Small government supporters
Oil companies

I don't think small government supporters or Christians/Jews & the average catholic will have a huge issue with him. The rest of the bunch are gonna be pissed because they won't be able to buy him out.

Well, I've been to 6 churches in my area and they're all supporting Bush because Kerry doesn't "support his policies with his faith." These churches are Baptist, Methodist, UCC, and Catholic. Of course, I live in VA, so pretty much everyone is Republican anyway. Small government supporters should have a problem with him.. the guy has like 2000 advisers right now, and he's still only campaigning.

Small government supporters should hate every President since FDR.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

There goes the religious vote for Kerry.

People who were probably pissed off by the speech:
Republicans
Christians/Jews (especially Catholics)
Drug companies and employees of these companies
Upper class
Small government supporters
Oil companies

I don't think small government supporters or Christians/Jews & the average catholic will have a huge issue with him. The rest of the bunch are gonna be pissed because they won't be able to buy him out.

Well, I've been to 6 churches in my area and they're all supporting Bush because Kerry doesn't "support his policies with his faith." These churches are Baptist, Methodist, UCC, and Catholic. Of course, I live in VA, so pretty much everyone is Republican anyway. Small government supporters should have a problem with him.. the guy has like 2000 advisers right now, and he's still only campaigning.

Small government supporters should hate every President since FDR.

Yep, consider this as well:

Only during two periods since 1776 has the government mostly left the economy alone: during the early years of the federal republic; and in the two decades previous to the Civil War. The political economist Condy Raguet called the first period of economic freedom, from 1783 to1807, "the golden age" of the republic: Trade was free, taxes were low, money was sound, and Americans enjoyed more economic freedom than any other people in the world. Sumner thought the years from 1846 to1860?the era of the independent treasury, falling tariffs, and gold money?was the true "golden age."

(Historians consider the presidents during this last period?Fillmore, Pierce, and Buchanan?as among the worst we have ever had. Yet, from 1848?1860, the country was at peace, the economy prosperous, taxes low, money hard, and the national debt was shrinking. This tells us how historians define political greatness.

Text (scroll down to myth #7)

 

[NesuD]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob

Originally posted by: Crimson

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
He also promised not to wear his faith on his sleeve. Or let it interfere with scientific progress. Or lead him to alter for the worse, the most important document in our nation's history. That'll be a nice change from our current leadership.

God is evil, Saddam is good.. Anything but Bush.. that pretty much sums up your post..

Not sure what you are talking about in the 'document' comment..

Funny, that's not what I read in his post, but I guess your disgusting hate for anyone on the left blinds you from allowing anything constructive coming from your mouth.

That hate seems to come far more often from the left than from the right these days. At least it sure seems that way around here.