Proof about IBM 60 and 75 gxp series HDs with their high failure rate. Information on IBM 120 gxp series power on hours

[WyteWatt]

The stange thing is if they did not have a high failure rate why is there this class action suit huh?
I guess time will tell of how the IBM 120 gxp series will be but i am surely not being the beta tester.


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http://www.geocities.com/dtla_update/

 

[oldfart]

Why are you so obsessed with this subject?

 

[saltedeggman]

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[Pariah]

"Why are you so obsessed with this subject?"

I don't know, but I'm going to puke if I see him pimping the WD JB drives that he doesn't own again.

 

[WyteWatt]

You are just mad that there is proof and that i know the truth.

 

[WyteWatt]

BTW you all never answered my question. If the IBM HDs do not have a high failure rate then why in the world do they have a class action suit?

 

[Pariah]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=733256

 

[Rand]

<< "Why are you so obsessed with this subject?"

I don't know, but I'm going to puke if I see him pimping the WD JB drives that he doesn't own again. >>



Those JB's are rather nice for desktop usage though, if expensive and beyond the needs of most users.
And unlike some, I actually have used the JB's.

As for the relatively high RMA rate, any large mainstream distriutor can testify for that. Or anyone that works for any type of computer manufacturer/builder etc.
It's no secret the 75GXP, and to a lesser extent the 60GXP drives had somewhat high RMA rates... only a handful of people really dispute that fact.

And FWIW, I've never seen Pariah dispute the relatively hgh RMA rates certain generations of IBM drives have seen, in fact I've noticed him question the reliability of IBM drives a few times.

 

[WyteWatt]

Go to http://www.storagereview.com then read the article 03/06 - More on 120GXPs and servers

Then you will see the 8 hours per a day for the HD to be on only. So there is no way those HDs can be used by power users which most everyone is here. Inless you only have your computer on 1 to 4 hours a day. But i do not think most people here do at all.

 

[oldfart]

You may find this hard to believe, but that information has already been posted numerous times. Everyone here is aware of the failure rate of some IBM drives. It's just that most people don't spend every waking moment obsessing over it. If you don't like IBM drives, just buy a different drive and go on with life.

 

[Rand]

<< Go to http://www.storagereview.com then read the article 03/06 - More on 120GXPs and servers

Then you will see the 8 hours per a day for the HD to be on only. So there is no way those HDs can be used by power users which most everyone is here. Inless you only have your computer on 1 to 4 hours a day. But i do not think most people here do at all. >>



IBM announced their recommendation of 333 power on hours/month awhile ago, so this isnt terribly new news per-say.
I can't say as I'd choose IBM personally, but I've little doubt there will still be a number of enthusiasts that will be tempted towards the 120GXP despite that fact because of it's relatively high performance and capacity.

And like I said in my last post, there arent many people debating the fact of the high RMA rates the 75GXP and 60GXP saw.

 

[John]

Intim, this thread is a repost of a repost of a repost. Please find a new peripheral to put down, such as the GF4 TI series issue with the 8KHA+.

 

[WyteWatt]

John so how is your IBM 120 gxp series HD ? How long you have it on each day ?

 

[John]

It runs like a bat outta hell. I have had it running 24/7 for over 30 days straight.

 

[oldfart]

imtim83, you should start putting ***CONFIRMED*** in your thread titles. It will make them more catchy.

Edit for proper syntax

 

[JellyBaby]

<< It runs like a bat outta hell. I have had it running 24/7 for over 30 days straight. >>

Which makes one wonder if at some ill-fated point in the future, when the elves take back their pixie dust, will it just up and fail?

Is IBM saying you have only so many hours of hard drive so to make it last, please run only 8/11 hours per day? Or is IBM saying the magical pixie dust doesn't like to be magical more than 11 hours at a time?

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

<< imtim83, you should start putting *****CONFIRMED!!!!**** in your thread titles. It will make them more catchy. >>


dude, first of all, you dont use exclamation points, and second of all, you put 5 asterisks at the beginning and 4 at the end. everyone (worth their...stuff) knows that there are 3 (THREE) asterisks at each the beginning, and at the end. observe:

***CONFIRMED***

thank you.

 

[John]

The "8hr a day" recommendation is for constant disk usage.

 

[oldfart]

Ok, it has been corrected ***CONFIRMED***

 

[Wolfsraider]

as far as ive heard,nobody said they didn't have a high failure rate,it's at least as high as a few of the others out there were a couple of years ago but then the media wasn't as hyped for speed as it is now.
i prefer to buy brands that i like and if that means ibm, ati, intel, or amd, nvidia, and wd ,well who cares their my choices
we all have favorites but i don't think that badgering somebody over a hardware purchase shows any maturity or friendliness to our fellow human beings or fellow anandtecher's but again that's my humble opinion.
are you saying your gonna be mad if i choose to buy ibm drives:Q

because if you are maybe the time has come to move on

it is my money right and my choice right or is it that you know more than me how to spend my money?

look all i'm saying is LIVE AND LET LIVE PLEASE

thank you for letting me vent

guess i just like knowing we all aren't persecuted for our choices since it is our money lol

 

[Epsil0n00]

<< BTW you all never answered my question. If the IBM HDs do not have a high failure rate then why in the world do they have a class action suit? >>


Okay, here's yer answer:
Maybe this is a bit too elementary, but the way a class action law suit begins is when USERS feel that there is a specific problem with a specific product and the company that makes that product says, "nope, there's no problems."

So, the class action suit exists because of people like you who are convinced that IBM drives are fatally flawed and are upset about it... NOT because IBM has admitted that there is a problem. The only significance of the suit is that there is now a formal law-based complaint. IBM, to my knowledge, has not changed their position.

 

[xander5000]

did you expect them to change their position? i've been practicing law for 7 years and have not seen a case of this magnitude where a large company says, "you know what, we really are at fault. we'll spend a few million to replace all those drives" riiiiiiiiiiight.
plus, ibm has been sending 120gxps as replacements for 60gxps and 75gxps despite the fact that they've got plenty of the 60's and 75's. they know there's a problem.
JMHO
x

 

[Rand]

<< John so how is your IBM 120 gxp series HD ? How long you have it on each day ? >>



Instead of harassing him perhaps you should wish him luck with his drive. You do realize there is no guarantee it will fail?
While I wouldnt choose to trust IBM personally I'm not about to wish him ill just because he is willing to put his faith in the 120GXP's potentially dubious reliability.

 

[WyteWatt]

Rand i did not mean it that. I wish the IBM 120 gxp series HD would be stable and could be used 24/7. That would be a very good thing. And i hope his IBM 120 gxp series HD last 3 years +. I think IBM HD's speed really rocks but my #1 thing for all hardware is Stabilty 1st. I know all hard drives will fail sooner or later. Also sometimes you may get a lemon and thats why you should always backup if you want to keep all your data without losing it. And it is nice how IBM 120 gxp series have drives in a small 40 gig size so its not too expersive but i have no idea how their stabilty is yet and the 333 hours per a month would never last for me. But i do wish him luck with his IBM 120 gxp series and i do advise him to backup his important data no matter what. Plus not just him that should backup important data. Everyone should sense i know all hard drives can fail at any time.

Thank You.

 

[grant2]

Rand: IBM announced their recommendation of 333 power on hours/month awhile ago,
Intim83: Then you will see the 8 hours per a day for the HD to be on only.

You live in a strange, strange fantasy world if your months have over 41 days...