Proof: Israel wanted Lebanon's River

[imported_peachee]

"[Israeli] Units were part of a massive force that flooded into Lebanon, trying to seize as much territory as possible before a U.N. cease-fire comes into effect. The objective was to control southern Lebanon up to the Litani River" - AP News 8/12/06


The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.


http://tinyurl.com/lbh3f
or
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/ap_...;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


Israel is a terrorist state and this proves it again!

 

[Moonbeam]

Right, it has nothing to do with rockets landing in Israel. It's a pretext to grab some water. A nuclear desalinization plant costs way more than a major war. Right.

 

[fallenangel99]

Israel didn't start the war. It was started by the kidnapping of 2 soldiers by Hezbollah (or Hizbullah, whatever).

I think there is going to be mass casualties on both sides (with civilians bearing the most on the Lebanese side) leading up to Monday, when the resolution becomes "official" (both govts are voting on sat and sun). Israel is now occupying S.Lebanon up to the LItani River, while Hezbollah is going to keep fighting as long as Israel is in S.Lebanon.

What's surprising is that it takes 30,000 Israeli soldiers to keep S.Lebanon in check from the 4000 or so Hezbollah militants. I highly doubt Hezbollah can be disarmed (Israel knows this too) since they run lots of charities and other social organizations (plus backing from Iran and Syria helps too).

Let's see how effective NATO is when it takes over. What happens when Israel kills NATO soldiers by accident when targetting Hezbollah militants?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: peachee
The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.

Is their any parr of BULLSH8! you don't understand?

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Israel didn't start the war. It was started by the kidnapping of 2 soldiers by Hezbollah (or Hizbullah, whatever).

Hezbollah started this one six years ago, immediately following the "peace" agreement between Lebanon and Israel. Under that agreement, Israel withdrew from Lebanon, and the Lebanese military was supposed to disarm Hezbollah and keep them from attacking Israel from Lebanese territory. The kidnapping of the two Israelis was only the catalyst that pushed Israel to act unilaterally against Hezbollah.

I don't agree with all of isreal's tactics, but I support their right to attack and neutralize the continuing threat posed by Hezbollah.

 

[Pens1566]

How many wars has Israel started again peachee????

 

[Kadarin]

Something tells me Hezbollah isn't going to stick to the ceasefire for very long...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: peachee
The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.

Is their any parr of BULLSH8! you don't understand?

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Israel didn't start the war. It was started by the kidnapping of 2 soldiers by Hezbollah (or Hizbullah, whatever).

Hezbollah started this one six years ago, immediately following the "peace" agreement between Lebanon and Israel. Under that agreement, Israel withdrew from Lebanon, and the Lebanese military was supposed to disarm Hezbollah and keep them from attacking Israel from Lebanese territory. The kidnapping of the two Israelis was only the catalyst that pushed Israel to act unilaterally against Hezbollah.

I don't agree with all of isreal's tactics, but I support their right to attack and neutralize the continuing threat posed by Hezbollah.

My understanding is that Israel has a large number of Lebanese citizens in jail that were, so to speak, kidnapped from Lebanon, and that the Israeli soldiers were taken to get them back. Perhaps we need to look at that situation before we say what started what. Does not Israel also still control some Lebanese land?

 

[tnitsuj]

That is just dumb..really dumb.

 

[RichardE]

WEll, I came in to rip apart the op, but you guys did a good job, so I won't say anything else.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: peachee
"[Israeli] Units were part of a massive force that flooded into Lebanon, trying to seize as much territory as possible before a U.N. cease-fire comes into effect. The objective was to control southern Lebanon up to the Litani River" - AP News 8/12/06


The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.


http://tinyurl.com/lbh3f
or
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/ap_...;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


Israel is a terrorist state and this proves it again!

Did Hizbollah tell you that Israel was going to keep the land? Because the UN and Israel appear to think otherwise.

 

[BoberFett]

A river makes a good buffer zone. Ever notice how many boundaries and borders are framed by rivers?

 

[imported_toxigun]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: peachee
The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.

Is their any parr of BULLSH8! you don't understand?

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Israel didn't start the war. It was started by the kidnapping of 2 soldiers by Hezbollah (or Hizbullah, whatever).

Hezbollah started this one six years ago, immediately following the "peace" agreement between Lebanon and Israel. Under that agreement, Israel withdrew from Lebanon, and the Lebanese military was supposed to disarm Hezbollah and keep them from attacking Israel from Lebanese territory. The kidnapping of the two Israelis was only the catalyst that pushed Israel to act unilaterally against Hezbollah.

I don't agree with all of isreal's tactics, but I support their right to attack and neutralize the continuing threat posed by Hezbollah.

My understanding is that Israel has a large number of Lebanese citizens in jail that were, so to speak, kidnapped from Lebanon, and that the Israeli soldiers were taken to get them back. Perhaps we need to look at that situation before we say what started what. Does not Israel also still control some Lebanese land?

Lebanese "citizens" that were proven to be guilty of murder/connections to murder of Israeli civilians in cout. They don't deserve to be released until they serve their time in prison.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My understanding is that Israel has a large number of Lebanese citizens in jail that were, so to speak, kidnapped from Lebanon, and that the Israeli soldiers were taken to get them back. Perhaps we need to look at that situation before we say what started what.

A little documentation would make a better contribution to a discussion than any "understanding" or other idle speculation. You're usually more thorough than that.

Does not Israel also still control some Lebanese land?

Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago under the same peace agreement that required Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah and drive their militia out of southern Lebanon. Lebanon never did that, and Hezbollah has continued to launch rockets and other attacks from that Lebanese territory.

There's a single disputed piece of territory, Shebaa Farms:

Shebaa Farms (Arabic: ????? ?????, Mazari? ?ib?a; Hebrew: ???? ????, Havot Sheba'a) is a small area of disputed ownership located at the junction of Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. The area, now desolate, is located between the Lebanese village of Shebaa on the northwestern slopes of Mount Hermon, the Druze village of Majdal Shams on the slopes of the Golan Heights (about 7 kilometers (4 miles) away), and Israeli towns that it overlooks below, such as Qiryat Shemona.The area is about 14 km (9 miles) in length, and averages 2.5 km (2 miles) in width, coming to about 25 square km (10 square miles). Altitudes range from 150 to 1,880 meters (490?6,170 feet). Its fertile, well-watered, mountainous soil formerly produced tobacco, barley, fruits, and vegetables on 14 farms, but is now desolate.

It was captured by Israel from Syria during the Six Day War in 1967, which did not involve Lebanon. Israel considers the Shebaa Farms to be part of the Golan Heights, and extended Israeli law to the region in 1981, in an action declared as 'null and void and without international legal effect' in UN SCR 497. The controversy over the Farms first arose in 2000, as the United Nations certified Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was complete. Israel's annexation of the Shebaa Farms has been contested by Hezbollah (since May 2000) as a reason for its continued attacks on Israel after Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon.

Members of the international diplomatic community have repeatedly requested that Syria and Lebanon take steps to determine the exact boundary between them in the Shebaa Farms region and elsewhere, including officially registering the demarcated border with the United Nations. Syrian authorities have verbally confirmed that the territory is Lebanon's but have said they cannot go further because they do not possess the land.

None of that justifies what Hezbollah's militia has been doing continuously for six years.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My understanding is that Israel has a large number of Lebanese citizens in jail that were, so to speak, kidnapped from Lebanon, and that the Israeli soldiers were taken to get them back. Perhaps we need to look at that situation before we say what started what.

A little documentation would make a better contribution to a discussion than any "understanding" or other idle speculation. You're usually more thorough than that.

Does not Israel also still control some Lebanese land?

Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago under the same peace agreement that required Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah and drive their militia out of southern Lebanon. Lebanon never did that, and Hezbollah has continued to launch rockets and other attacks from that Lebanese territory.

There's a single disputed piece of territory, Shebaa Farms:

Shebaa Farms (Arabic: ????? ?????, Mazari? ?ib?a; Hebrew: ???? ????, Havot Sheba'a) is a small area of disputed ownership located at the junction of Syria, Lebanon, and Israel. The area, now desolate, is located between the Lebanese village of Shebaa on the northwestern slopes of Mount Hermon, the Druze village of Majdal Shams on the slopes of the Golan Heights (about 7 kilometers (4 miles) away), and Israeli towns that it overlooks below, such as Qiryat Shemona.The area is about 14 km (9 miles) in length, and averages 2.5 km (2 miles) in width, coming to about 25 square km (10 square miles). Altitudes range from 150 to 1,880 meters (490?6,170 feet). Its fertile, well-watered, mountainous soil formerly produced tobacco, barley, fruits, and vegetables on 14 farms, but is now desolate.

It was captured by Israel from Syria during the Six Day War in 1967, which did not involve Lebanon. Israel considers the Shebaa Farms to be part of the Golan Heights, and extended Israeli law to the region in 1981, in an action declared as 'null and void and without international legal effect' in UN SCR 497. The controversy over the Farms first arose in 2000, as the United Nations certified Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon was complete. Israel's annexation of the Shebaa Farms has been contested by Hezbollah (since May 2000) as a reason for its continued attacks on Israel after Israel's unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon.

Members of the international diplomatic community have repeatedly requested that Syria and Lebanon take steps to determine the exact boundary between them in the Shebaa Farms region and elsewhere, including officially registering the demarcated border with the United Nations. Syrian authorities have verbally confirmed that the territory is Lebanon's but have said they cannot go further because they do not possess the land.

None of that justifies what Hezbollah's militia has been doing continuously for six years.

Thank you, but you forgot to take up the issue of the Lebanese is Israeli prisons. As to what justifies what, that is where people have differing opinions. Seems like, one way or the other, Israel has not returned all the land. What that justifies or doesn't isn't something I feel qualified to say, especially with the matter of the prisoners also in the air.

 

[BBond]

The current conflict began when Israel slaughtered Palestinian civilians picnicing on the beach in Gaza. That led to Hamas capturing an Israeli soldier and Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers. Israel then started the war with Lebanon in retaliation FOR THE CAPTURE OF TWO SOLDIERS. As for missiles and bombing, Israel, the Palestinians, and Hezbollah have been carrying out retaliatory strikes against each other for years now. Israel chose to instigate and escalate the current conflict during a cease fire with the Palestinians. But really, life in the occupied terroritories is never a cease fire for the Palestinians. Americans aren't told of the daily atrocities Israel perpetrates in the occupied terrorities. Americans believe the Israeli propaganda because that's all they're allowed to hear.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank you, but you forgot to take up the issue of the Lebanese is Israeli prisons. As to what justifies what, that is where people have differing opinions. Seems like, one way or the other, Israel has not returned all the land. What that justifies or doesn't isn't something I feel qualified to say, especially with the matter of the prisoners also in the air.

What are the Lebanese in Israeli prisons for?

 

[0roo0roo]

What's surprising is that it takes 30,000 Israeli soldiers to keep S.Lebanon in check from the 4000 or so Hezbollah militants. I highly doubt Hezbollah can be disarmed (Israel knows this too) since they run lots of charities and other social organizations (plus backing from Iran and Syria helps too).

well israel has to fight with one hand behind its back considernig how hezbollah can melt back into civilian populations and hides in their areas. if it were total war they would have been stomped out long ago but thats not acceptable.

as for the river, thats a load of bull. armies have always captured lands up to rivers. why? cuz ur enemy has to cross over a river to attack you making themselves vulnerable and slowing them down, it is a natural barrier. duh

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: BBond
The current conflict began when Israel slaughtered Palestinian civilians picnicing on the beach in Gaza. That led to Hamas capturing an Israeli soldier and Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers. Israel then started the war with Lebanon in retaliation FOR THE CAPTURE OF TWO SOLDIERS. As for missiles and bombing, Israel, the Palestinians, and Hezbollah have been carrying out retaliatory strikes against each other for years now. Israel chose to instigate and escalate the current conflict during a cease fire with the Palestinians. But really, life in the occupied terroritories is never a cease fire for the Palestinians. Americans aren't told of the daily atrocities Israel perpetrates in the occupied terrorities. Americans believe the Israeli propaganda because that's all they're allowed to hear.

Nope. Alot of assumption and people like you wish it was 100% true.
Sure you may have reports and all but it will always be debated who actually is responsible.
this is a subject where you can throw it around as more fodder but the truth sadly will never be known.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: BBond
The current conflict began when Israel slaughtered Palestinian civilians picnicing on the beach in Gaza. That led to Hamas capturing an Israeli soldier and Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers. Israel then started the war with Lebanon in retaliation FOR THE CAPTURE OF TWO SOLDIERS. As for missiles and bombing, Israel, the Palestinians, and Hezbollah have been carrying out retaliatory strikes against each other for years now. Israel chose to instigate and escalate the current conflict during a cease fire with the Palestinians. But really, life in the occupied terroritories is never a cease fire for the Palestinians. Americans aren't told of the daily atrocities Israel perpetrates in the occupied terrorities. Americans believe the Israeli propaganda because that's all they're allowed to hear.

Nope. Alot of assumption and people like you wish it was 100% true.
Sure you may have reports and all but it will always be debated who actually is responsible.
this is a subject where you can throw it around as more fodder but the truth sadly will never be known.

The truth will never be known by people who refuse to accept it and instead swallow Israeli propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

What's surprising is that it takes 30,000 Israeli soldiers to keep S.Lebanon in check from the 4000 or so Hezbollah militants. I highly doubt Hezbollah can be disarmed (Israel knows this too) since they run lots of charities and other social organizations (plus backing from Iran and Syria helps too).

well israel has to fight with one hand behind its back considernig how hezbollah can melt back into civilian populations and hides in their areas. if it were total war they would have been stomped out long ago but thats not acceptable.

as for the river, thats a load of bull. armies have always captured lands up to rivers. why? cuz ur enemy has to cross over a river to attack you making themselves vulnerable and slowing them down, it is a natural barrier. duh

Try Googling the search terms " Israel water " and see what you come up with.

?Definition of Israel?s Water Problems?

Jewish National Fund

Israel's Chronic Water Problem

Just to name a few.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: BBond
The current conflict began when Israel slaughtered Palestinian civilians picnicing on the beach in Gaza. That led to Hamas capturing an Israeli soldier and Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers. Israel then started the war with Lebanon in retaliation FOR THE CAPTURE OF TWO SOLDIERS. As for missiles and bombing, Israel, the Palestinians, and Hezbollah have been carrying out retaliatory strikes against each other for years now. Israel chose to instigate and escalate the current conflict during a cease fire with the Palestinians. But really, life in the occupied terroritories is never a cease fire for the Palestinians. Americans aren't told of the daily atrocities Israel perpetrates in the occupied terrorities. Americans believe the Israeli propaganda because that's all they're allowed to hear.

Nope. Alot of assumption and people like you wish it was 100% true.
Sure you may have reports and all but it will always be debated who actually is responsible.
this is a subject where you can throw it around as more fodder but the truth sadly will never be known.

The truth will never be known by people who refuse to accept it and instead swallow Israeli propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

simple fact is the palestinians were in a state of war against israel at the time. its unfortunate that the shell hit where it did,but that is war. the palestinians were firing rockets at civilians during this entire period after the gaza withdrawl,so it is in that context that the accident happened. justification for nothing considering what the palestinians were up to at the time.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: BBond
The current conflict began when Israel slaughtered Palestinian civilians picnicing on the beach in Gaza. That led to Hamas capturing an Israeli soldier and Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers. Israel then started the war with Lebanon in retaliation FOR THE CAPTURE OF TWO SOLDIERS. As for missiles and bombing, Israel, the Palestinians, and Hezbollah have been carrying out retaliatory strikes against each other for years now. Israel chose to instigate and escalate the current conflict during a cease fire with the Palestinians. But really, life in the occupied terroritories is never a cease fire for the Palestinians. Americans aren't told of the daily atrocities Israel perpetrates in the occupied terrorities. Americans believe the Israeli propaganda because that's all they're allowed to hear.

Nope. Alot of assumption and people like you wish it was 100% true.
Sure you may have reports and all but it will always be debated who actually is responsible.
this is a subject where you can throw it around as more fodder but the truth sadly will never be known.

The truth will never be known by people who refuse to accept it and instead swallow Israeli propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

simple fact is the palestinians were in a state of war against israel at the time. its unfortunate that the shell hit where it did,but that is war. the palestinians were firing rockets at civilians during this entire period after the gaza withdrawl,so it is in that context that the accident happened. justification for nothing considering what the palestinians were up to at the time.

There was a cease fire in effect at the time and the Palestinian civilians on that beach in Gaza were NOT firing rockets, now were they?

What would you call those Palestinians if the HAD fired rockets that killed Israeli civilians picnicing on a beach? TERRORISTS?

You call me a terrorist sympathizer while you defend terrorist acts by Israel. How common.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: IrateLeaf

Originally posted by: BBond
The current conflict began when Israel slaughtered Palestinian civilians picnicing on the beach in Gaza. That led to Hamas capturing an Israeli soldier and Hezbollah capturing two Israeli soldiers. Israel then started the war with Lebanon in retaliation FOR THE CAPTURE OF TWO SOLDIERS. As for missiles and bombing, Israel, the Palestinians, and Hezbollah have been carrying out retaliatory strikes against each other for years now. Israel chose to instigate and escalate the current conflict during a cease fire with the Palestinians. But really, life in the occupied terroritories is never a cease fire for the Palestinians. Americans aren't told of the daily atrocities Israel perpetrates in the occupied terrorities. Americans believe the Israeli propaganda because that's all they're allowed to hear.

Nope. Alot of assumption and people like you wish it was 100% true.
Sure you may have reports and all but it will always be debated who actually is responsible.
this is a subject where you can throw it around as more fodder but the truth sadly will never be known.

The truth will never be known by people who refuse to accept it and instead swallow Israeli propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

simple fact is the palestinians were in a state of war against israel at the time. its unfortunate that the shell hit where it did,but that is war. the palestinians were firing rockets at civilians during this entire period after the gaza withdrawl,so it is in that context that the accident happened. justification for nothing considering what the palestinians were up to at the time.

There was a cease fire in effect at the time and the Palestinian civilians on that beach in Gaza were NOT firing rockets, now were they?

Ooh, hand another one in the loss column to BBond. That beach and the area surrounding it was a rocket site, and strategically used by Hamas in attacks against Israel. So yes, rockets were being fired from there, it's just that Hamas cared so little about their civilians that they didn't bother advising people to steer clear of a war zone.

And besides, it wasn't even confirmed it was artillery shelling. I'll direct you to this Wikipedia article, which acts as an aggregator for the incidents and aftermath of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_beach_blast

Also note that in no way was Hamas respecting the ceasefire. The only difference is that they then took responsibility for the rockets fired at Israel. But rockets were being fired before that all the same.

What would you call those Palestinians if the HAD fired rockets that killed Israeli civilians picnicing on a beach? TERRORISTS?

You call me a terrorist sympathizer while you defend terrorist acts by Israel. How common.

They weren't rockets, dumbass, they were shells from a warship. And once again, if they were intentionally targeting civilians, a lot more than what was it, 8, would have died that day. Even Mark Garlasco of the Human Rights Watch praised Israel for avoiding civilian deaths (link)

You continue to fail to take these things into account every time you post, and that is why you lose. Good day sir.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: peachee
"[Israeli] Units were part of a massive force that flooded into Lebanon, trying to seize as much territory as possible before a U.N. cease-fire comes into effect. The objective was to control southern Lebanon up to the Litani River" - AP News 8/12/06


The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.


http://tinyurl.com/lbh3f
or
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/ap_...;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


Israel is a terrorist state and this proves it again!

I heard that Israeli soldiers were ordered to take buckets and poor them into huge trucks, and they're taking the water back to Israel.

Of course, this is just a rumour.

Oh and Israel did not start this war.
and Israel is going to withdraw once the international force steps in.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Something tells me Hezbollah isn't going to stick to the ceasefire for very long...

most likely 1 minute longer than Israel.