Proof: Israel wanted Lebanon's River

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: peachee
The same Israeli pattern repeats itself:
Israel starts war.
Israel steals more land.
Israel claims there is peace after it steals land/water supply.

Is their any parr of BULLSH8! you don't understand?

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
Israel didn't start the war. It was started by the kidnapping of 2 soldiers by Hezbollah (or Hizbullah, whatever).

Hezbollah started this one six years ago, immediately following the "peace" agreement between Lebanon and Israel. Under that agreement, Israel withdrew from Lebanon, and the Lebanese military was supposed to disarm Hezbollah and keep them from attacking Israel from Lebanese territory. The kidnapping of the two Israelis was only the catalyst that pushed Israel to act unilaterally against Hezbollah.

I don't agree with all of isreal's tactics, but I support their right to attack and neutralize the continuing threat posed by Hezbollah.

Hezbollah just aggrivates Israel, but they are hardly have capacity to start a full fledged war. When I think of Hezbeollah vs Israel, Hezbollah tosses pebbles while Israel drops 500lb boulders. Hezbollah should think twice before they pick a fight with Israel.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: rickn
Hezbollah just aggrivates Israel, but they are hardly have capacity to start a full fledged war. When I think of Hezbeollah vs Israel, Hezbollah tosses pebbles while Israel drops 500lb boulders. Hezbollah should think twice before they pick a fight with Israel.

Katyusha rockets aren't "smart" or particularly accurate, but when they land near people or buildings, they can obviously be deadly. When Hezbollah fires enough of them over six years, they'll do more damage than pebbles.

Once you've decided to take definitive action against a group of mad dogs, you don't dance lightly. You start with overwhelming force, clean up the mess, and feel sorry for the poor dead doggies later.

The Lebanese government failed to live up to their own commitment under the U.N. treaty to disarm Hezbollah and clear them from southern Lebanon. Those innocent Lebanese unfortunate unfortunate enough to be caught in the crossfire are as much tragic victims of that failure as they are of any Israeli weapons.

It's possible, Israel should have gone after Hezbollah with massive force in southern Lebanon, earlier, as they are doing, now, instead of trying to rely on air strikes in other populated areas. Some of that was necessary and effective to cut Hezbollah's supply and communication lines, but there may have been fewer civilian deaths and injuries.

It isn't pretty, but the responsibility for the damage is all on Hezbollah and those nations that encouraged and enabled them.

 

[intogamer]

I think that by creating a dramatic war is to be able to show power and take resources

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
I heard that Israeli soldiers were ordered to take buckets and poor them into huge trucks, and they're taking the water back to Israel.

Of course, this is just a rumour.

Who started that rumor, Joey from Friends?

 

[GrGr]

What seems to be forgotten is that Hizbollah started their rocketing campaign after the bombing campaign of Israel. Hizbollah kidnapped the soldiers sure but Israel started the senseless slaughter of civilians.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: GrGr
What seems to be forgotten is that Hizbollah started their rocketing campaign after the bombing campaign of Israel. Hizbollah kidnapped the soldiers sure but Israel started the senseless slaughter of civilians.

You are wrong.

Hezbullah bombed israel, and under cover of that attack they kidnapped the two soldiers.

 

[fallenangel99]

It's almost over guys.

Funny this is all about South Lebanon but Israel kept attacking BEIRUT, which is no where near the Litani River. I guess might as well take out some buildings to show the tough guy attitude and try not to acknowledge the fact that Hezbollah stood up against Israel ... again.

 

[ForumMaster]

umm, no offense, but wtf are you talking about? we started the war? nope. the hamas did by attacking a military base inside israel and kidnapping one soldeir. then the hezbollah got the same idea and kidnapped 2 more solders. we don't care about the water. it's a symbolic way of showing that we pushed them back. we don't need land. if we did, why the hell did we pull out of the gaza strip? what you're saying is idotic and isn't thought out at all. go think before you post.

 

[ForumMaster]

also. after the UN resolution 1701 comes into effect, we are pulling out of lebanon. now how about this: instead of posting nonsense, come to Qiryat Shemona and sit in a bunker while rockets are coming down on you and keep on doing that for a month. then you can talk.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
It's almost over guys.

Funny this is all about South Lebanon but Israel kept attacking BEIRUT, which is no where near the Litani River. I guess might as well take out some buildings to show the tough guy attitude and try not to acknowledge the fact that Hezbollah stood up against Israel ... again.

Israel attacked Hizbullah HQs in Beirut. What do you think, that Hezbullah doesn't have anything in Beirut?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
It's almost over guys.

Funny this is all about South Lebanon but Israel kept attacking BEIRUT, which is no where near the Litani River. I guess might as well take out some buildings to show the tough guy attitude and try not to acknowledge the fact that Hezbollah stood up against Israel ... again.

Israel attacked Hizbullah HQs in Beirut. What do you think, that Hezbullah doesn't have anything in Beirut?

Bullsh8. Israel's stated intention was to rid Southern Lebanon of Hezbollah to prevent missile attacks. The Israeli attacks further north were nothing more that illegal punishment against Lebanon's civilian population and infrastructure.

Given that Syria was finally out of Lebanon and there were actually democratic elections held, Israel's reckless actions will put Lebanon and the entire region back years.

Now Israel is making one last attempt to inflict as much damage as possible to Hezbollah and Lebanon before the cease fire begins in an attempt to save face but it's too late, Israel has already lost and they have no one to blame but themselves.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank you, but you forgot to take up the issue of the Lebanese is Israeli prisons. As to what justifies what, that is where people have differing opinions. Seems like, one way or the other, Israel has not returned all the land. What that justifies or doesn't isn't something I feel qualified to say, especially with the matter of the prisoners also in the air.

What are the Lebanese in Israeli prisons for?

I'll bite, what prisons are they in. What are their names. Who tired them for what crimes. Where can I read their court cases.

I would like to know also why Israel is a Jewish state and won't let Palestinians return to it. What is this thingi they have about democracy if and only if they control the demographics? Why should we not look at this conflict as low grade primitive tribal religious warfare of the most absurd kind where one Jew is killing another Jew because or Arab or Palestinian is killing his fellow Arab or Palestinian all because they refuse to recognize that these are all variations of the word human which is all each of these foolish identities are? How is it that man can stuff into his head the notion that he is different from others when there is nothing there but mental constructs? If some magician could switch all the fetuses being born on both sides in the night and Jew gave birth to Hezbollah and Palestinian and visa versa children would grow up there killing their parents. The participants of this conflict are obviously fools to anybody not infected with their mind sets, mindsets, of course, which they could not otherwise have without the exercise of enormous personal effort. Hate of the other is the inevitable result of self hate. Disrespected Jews hate Arabs thinking them to be swine and Arabs disrespected hate Jews. This is nothing more than internalized disrespect accompanied by attachment to meaningless identification and forced identification worship as the result of brainwashing in childhood. The disrespected kill their kids emotionally whenever they manifest their true humanity rather than worship of the local mental illness. You will be sick like us is humanities deepest commandment its true Golden Rule.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: GrGr
What seems to be forgotten is that Hizbollah started their rocketing campaign after the bombing campaign of Israel. Hizbollah kidnapped the soldiers sure but Israel started the senseless slaughter of civilians.

Have you figured out the direct conflict between your two sentences, yet, or do you not count six years of rocket attacks on civilian Israeli population centers as "senseless slaughter of civilians?" :roll:

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank you, but you forgot to take up the issue of the Lebanese is Israeli prisons. As to what justifies what, that is where people have differing opinions. Seems like, one way or the other, Israel has not returned all the land. What that justifies or doesn't isn't something I feel qualified to say, especially with the matter of the prisoners also in the air.

What are the Lebanese in Israeli prisons for?

I'll bite, what prisons are they in. What are their names. Who tired them for what crimes. Where can I read their court cases.

You mean you don't know what prisons they're in? You don't know what their names are? You don't know where to read their court cases?

You mean you don't know any of those things, yet you've stated that it's an issue?

Do you often make issue with things you know absolutely nothing about?

 

[Aisengard]

The prisoners Hezbollah wants are convicted murderers.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: fallenangel99
It's almost over guys.

Funny this is all about South Lebanon but Israel kept attacking BEIRUT, which is no where near the Litani River. I guess might as well take out some buildings to show the tough guy attitude and try not to acknowledge the fact that Hezbollah stood up against Israel ... again.

Israel attacked Hizbullah HQs in Beirut. What do you think, that Hezbullah doesn't have anything in Beirut?

Bullsh8. Israel's stated intention was to rid Southern Lebanon of Hezbollah to prevent missile attacks. The Israeli attacks further north were nothing more that illegal punishment against Lebanon's civilian population and infrastructure.

Given that Syria was finally out of Lebanon and there were actually democratic elections held, Israel's reckless actions will put Lebanon and the entire region back years.

Now Israel is making one last attempt to inflict as much damage as possible to Hezbollah and Lebanon before the cease fire begins in an attempt to save face but it's too late, Israel has already lost and they have no one to blame but themselves.

So the question i would ask is a simple one.
Does anybody on these forums actually support your rantings?
Let me guess BBond. A few of us who grew up in that part of the world and we really do have a clue as to whats going on.
Did you visit the middle east, or are you showing such bias because thats what you are reading from pro arab sites?
Just asking!!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Thank you, but you forgot to take up the issue of the Lebanese is Israeli prisons. As to what justifies what, that is where people have differing opinions. Seems like, one way or the other, Israel has not returned all the land. What that justifies or doesn't isn't something I feel qualified to say, especially with the matter of the prisoners also in the air.

What are the Lebanese in Israeli prisons for?

I'll bite, what prisons are they in. What are their names. Who tired them for what crimes. Where can I read their court cases.

You mean you don't know what prisons they're in? You don't know what their names are? You don't know where to read their court cases?

You mean you don't know any of those things, yet you've stated that it's an issue?

Do you often make issue with things you know absolutely nothing about?

Hehe, I suppose you think your going to make me feel bad about myself with this. In the first place one can't very well make an issue of something one knows nothing about because one knows nothing about it. One can raise an issue about something one has heard may be an issue and that is what I did. Because I have been exposed to information from Israel and Hezbollah I have some small knowledge of the facts or is it propaganda from both sides. From that I know how each side counters the other in their endless finger pointing. I know almost nothing and as a nothing myself feel no shame, sadly, of course for you, in that. I want to raise this issue of prisoners held in Israel from Lebanon and Hezbollah's use of that fact to justify counter-aggression. Also, I found no ready links when I searched for more facts so I ask. I am not proud. Want to tell me what your version is or do you want to play more games?

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: yllus


You mean you don't know what prisons they're in? You don't know what their names are? You don't know where to read their court cases?

You mean you don't know any of those things, yet you've stated that it's an issue?

Do you often make issue with things you know absolutely nothing about?

Hehe, I suppose you think your going to make me feel bad about myself with this. In the first place one can't very well make an issue of something one knows nothing about because one knows nothing about it. One can raise an issue about something one has heard may be an issue and that is what I did. Because I have been exposed to information from Israel and Hezbollah I have some small knowledge of the facts or is it propaganda from both sides. From that I know how each side counters the other in their endless finger pointing. I know almost nothing and as a nothing myself feel no shame, sadly, of course for you, in that. I want to raise this issue of prisoners held in Israel from Lebanon and Hezbollah's use of that fact to justify counter-aggression. Also, I found no ready links when I searched for more facts so I ask. I am not proud. Want to tell me what your version is or do you want to play more games?

How mind-blowingly self-important of you. I don't care to affect your feelings one way or another; merely to elicit truthful information without bias. Interestingly enough, you did go on to state...

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My understanding is that Israel has a large number of Lebanese citizens in jail that were, so to speak, kidnapped from Lebanon, and that the Israeli soldiers were taken to get them back.

...but know neither the prisons, the names, nor the crimes. Other than now raising the question of exactly what your understanding was, you assumed to the rest of us to have knowledge of the subject. Which you don't.

When you have a singular starting fact, please let me know.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: yllus


You mean you don't know what prisons they're in? You don't know what their names are? You don't know where to read their court cases?

You mean you don't know any of those things, yet you've stated that it's an issue?

Do you often make issue with things you know absolutely nothing about?

Hehe, I suppose you think your going to make me feel bad about myself with this. In the first place one can't very well make an issue of something one knows nothing about because one knows nothing about it. One can raise an issue about something one has heard may be an issue and that is what I did. Because I have been exposed to information from Israel and Hezbollah I have some small knowledge of the facts or is it propaganda from both sides. From that I know how each side counters the other in their endless finger pointing. I know almost nothing and as a nothing myself feel no shame, sadly, of course for you, in that. I want to raise this issue of prisoners held in Israel from Lebanon and Hezbollah's use of that fact to justify counter-aggression. Also, I found no ready links when I searched for more facts so I ask. I am not proud. Want to tell me what your version is or do you want to play more games?

How mind-blowingly self-important of you. I don't care to affect your feelings one way or another; merely to elicit truthful information without bias. Interestingly enough, you did go on to state...

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
My understanding is that Israel has a large number of Lebanese citizens in jail that were, so to speak, kidnapped from Lebanon, and that the Israeli soldiers were taken to get them back.

...but know neither the prisons, the names, nor the crimes. Other than now raising the question of exactly what your understanding was, you assumed to the rest of us to have knowledge of the subject. Which you don't.

When you have a singular starting fact, please let me know.

You would be amazed at how self important a person who states he knows almost nothing and as a nothing himself feel no shame in that can be. But lets not joke around as to who it is that's interested in unbiased truth. It is I who has expressed interest in questions to which I have an interest and have found little answer to. You are the one with the ego so full of contempt, shall we assume, you seem to be unable to answer me. You are stuck with your assumption that I have to have opinions on subjects I know nothing about simply because I have heard these questions raised by the other side and want to know more about them. You continue with this, in my opinion, imbecilic game that I can't ask questions about things I admit I know nothing about until I have knowledge of them. Hehe, if this is knowledge, I don't want any.

So far I hear the Lebanese is Israeli jails are murderers. How is it, if true and I have no evidence that it is, they are in jail in Israel when they are from Lebanon. It that where the Lebanese try and jail their criminals? Who are these people, what are their crimes, what jails are they in, where are the court records, do they even exist? I would be interested if anybody has any links on this.

 

[spike spiegal]

Who are these people, what are their crimes, what jails are they in, where are the court records, do they even exist?

Kind of irrelevant when most of the Islamic world supporting Hezbollah wants Israel destroyed.

I don't take a default defensive stance on Israel's actions over the years, but thet fact remains they are only looking for security and could otherwise give a crap about Lebanon or the Palestinians provided they aren't shooting flying pipe-bombs into Northern Israel.

If you gave Hezbollah a nuke, they'd use it in a second agasint Israel while screaming 'death to the zionists!'. If you gave Israel a nuke...well, Israel already has nukes, so you get my point.

 

[yllus]

*rolls eyes* And another one-hundred-fifty-word-plus post on his ego, my ego, and anything that takes up room to escape using it as a hollow justification for the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, if this is knowledge, I don't want any.

No need to state the obvious.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: yllus
*rolls eyes* And another one-hundred-fifty-word-plus post on his ego, my ego, and anything that takes up room to escape using it as a hollow justification for the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Hehe, if this is knowledge, I don't want any.

No need to state the obvious.

No need and no purpose as the obvious is clearly more than you can handle. Questions to you become hollow justifications. Hehe, carry on.

 

[spike spiegal]

Questions to you become hollow justifications

You sound like somebody who's vote for Syria or Libya becoming members of the U.N security council.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: spike spiegal

Questions to you become hollow justifications

You sound like somebody who's vote for Syria or Libya becoming members of the U.N security council.

Doesn't it though? Changing the context of a statement and claiming it was a question when asked to pull back the curtain and reveal the facts still doesn't quite work.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well if you want something done you gotta do it yourself, I guess, even though the first time I tried was a bust. I think I found the source of what I heard:

here in the Washington Post.

Jimmy Carter: "Hezbollah militants then killed three Israeli soldiers and captured two others, and insisted on Israel's withdrawal from disputed territory and an exchange for some of the several thousand incarcerated Lebanese."

Here however we see just 4 Lebanese in Israeli prisons, as well they ought to be.

Perhaps the conflict in data and Hezbullah's charming behavior arises out of stuff like this.